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Wake up call.
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D.J Aruu
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Jan 21 2013, 11:49 AM
And here come the oldfags again. Just remember, Tamaza, King, and Nikola are oldfags.

NFF's much better than it was, but you idjits are just blind to that. Funny how Neb says the main complainers are the newer players when http://s8.zetaboards.com/NarutoFinalFight/topic/8397906/1/#new
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Hussein Oda
Jan 21 2013, 11:09 AM
I don't complain, I forcefully suggest! But seriously, there is alot of *****ing from this community. No wonder Argon hates us lol.
I don't think Argon quite "hates" us, otherwise why would he waste his time on the game?

The main issue, as I see it, just boils down to a spoiled player-base, and by spoiled I mean "you have it too good."

NFF is free, the updates are free, everything is free. You even get to complain 'n shit on the forums (which are free) and everyone likes free things and complaining. And there are, of course, several issues along this same vein:

1. Whenever Argon/Sasuna pop up in chat/announce/etc. instead of a "hi" or continuing normal business, it's "pls" "edit?" "fix" "can I have..." "ban so-and-so" etc. I guess that's to be expected but other companies which host MMOs and update them semi-regularly either make a profit from selling the game, make a profit from subscription, or make a profit from an in-game cash shop. NFF currently makes no profit other than a handful of edits (maybe?) which I assume go to pay for upcoming server costs. So...Sasuna, more-so than Argon (since he's used to it by now) feels increasingly more dejected because you ungrateful farts (nobody in particular, just a generalization) give him 1 second of praise in exchange for 1 hour of bullshit.

That's the way it is though, and I think that plays a smaller part than you or I would actually think it does because, let's face it, not every player is going to write a thank you letter to the owners.

2. And this is the more important issue, I think. Argon and Sasuna are supposed to function as a team [Argon, Sasuna, please read], I don't know the dynamics of their relationship but there has been an awful lot of issues relating to banned jutsu, banned players, etc.

The best analogy I can give is that a player complains about his "unfair ban" to Sasuna, cries-moans-writes scathing posts on the forums, he gets these so called "White Knight Players" which in reality aren't players, they're trolls who want to get something for themselves by pretending to be on the "player's side, fighting for justice, the GM's abuse the game, their mothers, AND THEIR SPOUSES, RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE."

If the crying is successful then, much to everyone's dismay, they're unbanned not because of logic or a change-of-heart but because of pure, unadulterated butthurt.

Now, say this person doesn't get unbanned after bothering everyone and even going to MSN. Then, much like a child going to mom/dad after the other parent has said no, they ask Argon. Now Argon, possibly in the loop, possibly not, maybe he doesn't give 2 shits, maybe not even 1.

Anyways.

If Argon does something contrary to Sasuna's actions, or vice-versa. BAM. Instant disconnect. Who is in charge now? Who makes the deciding choice? There are only two "owners" active. There is no vote, because each side gets 50% ...

I'm sure I could add more but I'm done typing.




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These select players will always complain. Why? Because they don't know how NFF works. They don't understand what NFF itself and its owner situations have been through way back when Kaio and Argon were owners. Or even before that, to some people who have been playing that long. I hate to say it but, OLDIES 9 out of 10 will NEVER complain about anything on NFF. We understand how updates..bug fixes..and other things work that younger players do not. We just learn to get the hell over it if we don't like it, make a positive suggestion of what they don't like, or just don't say anything at all and enjoy the game.


The term "oldies" has no bearing here. And the last person I would expect to write that sentence is you, Neb, after your recent childish behavior.
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Jan 21 2013, 11:49 AM
And here come the oldfags again. Just remember, Tamaza, King, and Nikola are oldfags.

NFF's much better than it was, but you idjits are just blind to that. Funny how Neb says the main complainers are the newer players when http://s8.zetaboards.com/NarutoFinalFight/topic/8397906/1/#new
Are you dumb?

I wasn't complaining about the GAME itself nor updates, I was mad because of being wrongfully banned.

But I knew someone would bring this up, how about you stay on topic Fable.

Me being mad about being wrongfully banned =/= people raging about updates and being upgratefuly.
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Jan 21 2013, 11:45 AM
If you really want to get into this, and how much this community reeks of ungrateful players... If you take a look at the people complaining, its nothing but "newer" players. Meaning its the players that just recently started playing NFF (2 years - 1 week playing time).

These select players will always complain. Why? Because they don't know how NFF works. They don't understand what NFF itself and its owner situations have been through way back when Kaio and Argon were owners. Or even before that, to some people who have been playing that long. I hate to say it but, OLDIES 9 out of 10 will NEVER complain about anything on NFF. We understand how updates..bug fixes..and other things work that younger players do not. We just learn to get the hell over it if we don't like it, make a positive suggestion of what they don't like, or just don't say anything at all and enjoy the game.

New players will just rage, spam shit on OOC "FIXLAG, STOP REBOOTING", which is one of the reasons why Kaio quit in the first place. He just completely hated the community. Argon still hates the community outside of a select few. New players will always rage, its just a cycle. Sad enough, Sasuna is also feeling the effects of being an owner of NFF's shitty community. There's nothing really to be done about this, considering probably 65% of the "new" community doesn't even read forums or just don't not even care. (These people meaning the extra 100++ people who flocked to the game because its on BYOND website).

Just saying, NFF was always better when it wasn't shown on the BYOND website.
So... what you're saying is..... oldies don't complain?
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Jan 21 2013, 11:53 AM
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Jan 21 2013, 11:45 AM
If you really want to get into this, and how much this community reeks of ungrateful players... If you take a look at the people complaining, its nothing but "newer" players. Meaning its the players that just recently started playing NFF (2 years - 1 week playing time).

These select players will always complain. Why? Because they don't know how NFF works. They don't understand what NFF itself and its owner situations have been through way back when Kaio and Argon were owners. Or even before that, to some people who have been playing that long. I hate to say it but, OLDIES 9 out of 10 will NEVER complain about anything on NFF. We understand how updates..bug fixes..and other things work that younger players do not. We just learn to get the hell over it if we don't like it, make a positive suggestion of what they don't like, or just don't say anything at all and enjoy the game.

New players will just rage, spam shit on OOC "FIXLAG, STOP REBOOTING", which is one of the reasons why Kaio quit in the first place. He just completely hated the community. Argon still hates the community outside of a select few. New players will always rage, its just a cycle. Sad enough, Sasuna is also feeling the effects of being an owner of NFF's shitty community. There's nothing really to be done about this, considering probably 65% of the "new" community doesn't even read forums or just don't not even care. (These people meaning the extra 100++ people who flocked to the game because its on BYOND website).

Just saying, NFF was always better when it wasn't shown on the BYOND website.
So... what you're saying is..... oldies don't complain?
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I invite anyone to answer this question.
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Jan 21 2013, 11:44 AM
This is exactly what I have been saying for the past 2 months. This community is a gathering of shit, who don't give 2 ****s for anything but themselves.
Yeah, I agree, but Godon, you always add onto it how the 'old nff' was better...and though Xeyl is redundant with it, he was right. Instead of saying which time of NFF was better [which by the way insults Sasuna to an extent] look at how things are MORE balanced than they were back then. [Not saying the game is balanced.]

Hell, even when I first came, and I was relatively new, it was pretty bad in terms of balance. Screenwide ryuukas, 8k suiton, screenwide nagashi..etc. Or staff members who edited their saves yet had no real importance to the game to be deemed a spot. The list goes on.


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If you really want to get into this, and how much this community reeks of ungrateful players... If you take a look at the people complaining, its nothing but "newer" players. Meaning its the players that just recently started playing NFF (2 years - 1 week playing time).

These select players will always complain. Why? Because they don't know how NFF works. They don't understand what NFF itself and its owner situations have been through way back when Kaio and Argon were owners. Or even before that, to some people who have been playing that long. I hate to say it but, OLDIES 9 out of 10 will NEVER complain about anything on NFF. We understand how updates..bug fixes..and other things work that younger players do not. We just learn to get the hell over it if we don't like it, make a positive suggestion of what they don't like, or just don't say anything at all and enjoy the game.

New players will just rage, spam shit on OOC "FIXLAG, STOP REBOOTING", which is one of the reasons why Kaio quit in the first place. He just completely hated the community. Argon still hates the community outside of a select few. New players will always rage, its just a cycle. Sad enough, Sasuna is also feeling the effects of being an owner of NFF's shitty community. There's nothing really to be done about this, considering probably 65% of the "new" community doesn't even read forums or just don't not even care. (These people meaning the extra 100++ people who flocked to the game because its on BYOND website).

Just saying, NFF was always better when it wasn't shown on the BYOND website.


Dude...Neb. You complain about anything that koes you...or that you lose to. I haven't fought you recently but I've seen your fights. The first reaction when you lose is "OP. What the ****. Someone nerf that." Which is funny because you spammed ocean gen not thinking that it was OP. You complain...a lot. Don't say newer people complain more. The community as a whole complains. I do too. Just not as much because I actually talk to staff...by that I mean I know the struggles they go through so if the game has some things that don't need to be mentioned at the time, I don't mention it. Again you're probably going to flame me about my mistakes or whatever, but I'm just pointing out that you complain as much as any 'new player'.
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Well if sasuna or argon does something for someone/some people those people should say thanks, although perhaps what was added isnt what they thought id be, im sure they would voice that.
Now people who didnt ask/dont care dont have to say thanks because it wasnt done for them.
I remember argon saying nff is for the coders not players. Something along those lines. So if sasuna adds something in himself no one has to say thanks. While some ppl may say thanks because its something they like/wanted.
So i feel like im getting the message that sasuna wants us to not complain(clearly) but to also accept additions/changes(this is hard to agree with, what if ninjutsu was removed all together? Would be agreeing and saying thanks?)
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Jan 21 2013, 11:55 AM
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Jan 21 2013, 11:53 AM
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Jan 21 2013, 11:45 AM
If you really want to get into this, and how much this community reeks of ungrateful players... If you take a look at the people complaining, its nothing but "newer" players. Meaning its the players that just recently started playing NFF (2 years - 1 week playing time).

These select players will always complain. Why? Because they don't know how NFF works. They don't understand what NFF itself and its owner situations have been through way back when Kaio and Argon were owners. Or even before that, to some people who have been playing that long. I hate to say it but, OLDIES 9 out of 10 will NEVER complain about anything on NFF. We understand how updates..bug fixes..and other things work that younger players do not. We just learn to get the hell over it if we don't like it, make a positive suggestion of what they don't like, or just don't say anything at all and enjoy the game.

New players will just rage, spam shit on OOC "FIXLAG, STOP REBOOTING", which is one of the reasons why Kaio quit in the first place. He just completely hated the community. Argon still hates the community outside of a select few. New players will always rage, its just a cycle. Sad enough, Sasuna is also feeling the effects of being an owner of NFF's shitty community. There's nothing really to be done about this, considering probably 65% of the "new" community doesn't even read forums or just don't not even care. (These people meaning the extra 100++ people who flocked to the game because its on BYOND website).

Just saying, NFF was always better when it wasn't shown on the BYOND website.
So... what you're saying is..... oldies don't complain?
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Name one oldie who cries on OOC about updates.

I invite anyone to answer this question.
Yom? LOL

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It's not like Sasuna or Argon are going to read this.

Argon took one look at this topic and nope'd away. Stop wasting your breaths and time, all this is becoming is a flame-festival and chance for Neb. to retaliate.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hawk jumped in on this too.
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Jan 21 2013, 11:55 AM
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Jan 21 2013, 11:53 AM
Nebulous
Jan 21 2013, 11:45 AM
If you really want to get into this, and how much this community reeks of ungrateful players... If you take a look at the people complaining, its nothing but "newer" players. Meaning its the players that just recently started playing NFF (2 years - 1 week playing time).

These select players will always complain. Why? Because they don't know how NFF works. They don't understand what NFF itself and its owner situations have been through way back when Kaio and Argon were owners. Or even before that, to some people who have been playing that long. I hate to say it but, OLDIES 9 out of 10 will NEVER complain about anything on NFF. We understand how updates..bug fixes..and other things work that younger players do not. We just learn to get the hell over it if we don't like it, make a positive suggestion of what they don't like, or just don't say anything at all and enjoy the game.

New players will just rage, spam shit on OOC "FIXLAG, STOP REBOOTING", which is one of the reasons why Kaio quit in the first place. He just completely hated the community. Argon still hates the community outside of a select few. New players will always rage, its just a cycle. Sad enough, Sasuna is also feeling the effects of being an owner of NFF's shitty community. There's nothing really to be done about this, considering probably 65% of the "new" community doesn't even read forums or just don't not even care. (These people meaning the extra 100++ people who flocked to the game because its on BYOND website).

Just saying, NFF was always better when it wasn't shown on the BYOND website.
So... what you're saying is..... oldies don't complain?
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I'm pretty sure everyone is on the same page here when it come to Kiros,
except the oped bastards who are actually Kiros.

They need a damn nerf. Im not sure even why they were given a damage buff. The new jutsu for them is fine but GOTDAMN why would you buff the damage??

They have a spamable star VITAL hitting jutsu which can be used at all times.

A ****ing AOE SUCK IN star jutsu thats VITAL damage. AOE NAGASHI size star jutsu VITAL hitting.


I could go on but i don't want this to sound like a rage. You get the point. The new jutsu are fine but you should have left the damn damage alone.

Lrnb4ProsStartUsingKiros

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Jan 21 2013, 12:04 PM
It's not like Sasuna or Argon are going to read this.

Argon took one look at this topic and nope'd away. Stop wasting your breaths and time, all this is becoming is a flame-festival and chance for Neb. to retaliate.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hawk jumped in on this too.
This topic isnt for sasuna or argon directly. Its about sasuna/argon directed at the playerbase.
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Jan 21 2013, 12:01 PM


Dude...Neb. You complain about anything that koes you...or that you lose to. I haven't fought you recently but I've seen your fights. The first reaction when you lose is "OP. What the ****. Someone nerf that." Which is funny because you spammed ocean gen not thinking that it was OP. You complain...a lot. Don't say newer people complain more. The community as a whole complains. I do too. Just not as much because I actually talk to staff...by that I mean I know the struggles they go through so if the game has some things that don't need to be mentioned at the time, I don't mention it. Again you're probably going to flame me about my mistakes or whatever, but I'm just pointing out that you complain as much as any 'new player'.
Aiichi, you really want to go there?

Litterally the ONLY person that i've complained about for Ko'ing me is B, this whole entire era since I started back playing. All your doing is repeating words that have been said over OOC about mean which are meant to try and "flame" me. Well they're wrong, because B is the only person i've complained about. But regaurdless of all of that, even if I did say "nerf that" after a fight (which i don't) You dont' see me SCREAMING like a noob to the owners saying NERF NERFFF ITS TOO OPED over OOC. I would say it once like I did when I was fighting B and not complain at all afterwards.

But its funny how you say i "Spam" Ocean gen when you never even fought me before? How would you even know what jutsu I use? If you ask anyone that i fight in arena, they can speak that I hardly ever use ocean gen. If i use it, its only for 1 second to make them walk. Only person i've used ocean gen on to ko someone in area was Tenzo because he was using Raikiri 24/7 in sage mode. Don't talk about stuff you don't know about Aiichi =/ I dont have no problems with you, please don't start with me about things you don't know.

".by that I mean I know the struggles they go through so if the game has some things that don't need to be mentioned at the time, I don't mention it."


THIS is exactly what I mean by being an OLDIE. You KNOW the struggles so you don't mention it and wait for another time. This is what the hell i'm trying to say, its the OLDIE mentality that stops us from complaining all the damn time like other people.

EDIT: For that Jewish guy or whoever he is:

I think I did mention that we make suggestions on the forum about things.
I'm laughing at the people who are trying to take shots at me, ride someone elses dick please.

Because this topic isn't making suggestions topics its about people raging at game updates with no end to annoying owners. That topic that you tried to prove me wrong on was a much needed suggestion and was nerfed because of that topic = growth. So take shots more please. I'll just eat them up.
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Jan 21 2013, 12:04 PM
It's not like Sasuna or Argon are going to read this.

Argon took one look at this topic and nope'd away. Stop wasting your breaths and time, all this is becoming is a flame-festival and chance for Neb. to retaliate.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hawk jumped in on this too.
This topic isnt for sasuna or argon directly. Its about sasuna/argon directed at the playerbase.
Not anymore.

See how it's devolved into Nebulous v. Aiichi v. Hussein?

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I'm pretty sure everyone is on the same page here when it come to Kiros,
except the oped bastards who are actually Kiros.

They need a damn nerf. Im not sure even why they were given a damage buff. The new jutsu for them is fine but GOTDAMN why would you buff the damage??

They have a spamable star VITAL hitting jutsu which can be used at all times.

A ****ing AOE SUCK IN star jutsu thats VITAL damage. AOE NAGASHI size star jutsu VITAL hitting.


I could go on but i don't want this to sound like a rage. You get the point. The new jutsu are fine but you should have left the damn damage alone.

Lrnb4ProsStartUsingKiros

Quoting this in reply to that Neb.

And I did fight you before I was banned, I was Crimson Jigoku. And also Ratake Syuuka. You used ocean gen on me EVERY time I encountered you in rain..so..idk wtf you're talking about.

I'm not going by what anyone says. I'm going by what I think and what I've noticed. lol

I'm not an oldbie and I have that mentality.

Don't know if these are oldbies, pretty sure they are, but here's some that complain to name a few.

Yom
Prec
Yag
Kaiha[the first thing he did when coming back besides talking about how awesome and amazing he was [lol] in ooc was complain about certain things in game.]

There's more. Want me to go on?
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Jan 21 2013, 12:15 PM
...Quoting this in reply to that Neb...

And I did fight you before I was banned, I was Crimson Jigoku. And also Ratake Syuuka. You used ocean gen on me EVERY time I encountered you in rain..so..idk wtf you're talking about.
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