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| Is it Just me?; Suiton Damage Lacking | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 24 2012, 06:47 AM (1,431 Views) | |
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Dec 2 2012, 12:00 AM Post #31 |
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Great Waterfall did have a pushback, and water wall did block katon. When did that change? |
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| Negative Nancy | Dec 2 2012, 12:00 AM Post #32 |
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Add Primary Lotus Add Shadow Dance And Buff Tai; Buff Leaf Style |
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| Katon | Dec 2 2012, 12:06 AM Post #33 |
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Suiton simply needs to gtfo. |
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| Fox | Dec 2 2012, 12:15 AM Post #34 |
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Sasuna doesn't want Suiton to delete Katon, and only nerf it's damage. No @ Whirlpool Pretty Shiny Water Wave does push back? Did it get nerfed recently or something 0.o Don't care about water clones. No @ Sharks, it has a wide min-max damage. The damage isn't "Random". It's a range at least as far as I know. Is he saying the parameters should be reduced? Which again, I also don't agree with. Because I think sharks are fine. Maybe, maybe, maybe, just maybe, this could be achievable by using water sharks more. But I don't think it is needed at all. Is Water Creation not like that now? It also already covers a fat chunk of the screen, so I don't think it needs any change at really. Outside of something like mastery reducing the cast time of Water Creation. (Not handseals, but the cast time, like when you are spitting) And I don't agree with the Water Damage passive removal at all. If this is still the same, the damage Water Pressure provides is better than the damage Blue Fire provides. Blue Fire / Magma are required to make Katon good. Much like Water Pressure is for Suiton. Katon, and Raiton generally require a lot of Cap to use also. . .Raiton is only kinda sorta excluded from this if you focus on the Chidori Techniques. Suiton is an EP intensive element, and I like that about it and don't think that factor should be removed. In fact the only big change Suiton MIGHT need at the moment, is another passive that reduces block damage reduction against it. Tozen said blocking reduces damage by 90% for Suiton? Now I'm not sure if those numbers are still correct, but that's pretty big damage reduction. But I also see why it's there. So I can't say I personally have any complaints about Suiton getting a passive like that, that perhaps when maxed reduces the power of blocking against your suiton by 60% or so? Granted the 60% number is really subjective, and I'd prefer if every move had this passive affect them differently. But lol that's not going to happen. Edited by Fox, Dec 2 2012, 12:20 AM.
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| Sengetsu | Dec 2 2012, 12:19 AM Post #35 |
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Gib Chakra
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nah we need an exploding bug technique for aburames |
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| Fox | Dec 2 2012, 12:20 AM Post #36 |
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http://s8.zetaboards.com/NarutoFinalFight/topic/8242396/1/ |
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http://users.pop.umn.edu/~matt0350/images/forumcrap/october/scream.pdf Someone once said "be the you you wanna be", and that's just how I feel now to. | |
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| Sengetsu | Dec 2 2012, 12:27 AM Post #37 |
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Maybe need to ban Fox too |
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| Fox | Dec 2 2012, 12:27 AM Post #38 |
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So much mad~ And WTF don't bump that topic Ina, the fuck are you doing! Edited by Fox, Dec 2 2012, 12:28 AM.
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| solarhiro | Dec 3 2012, 01:57 PM Post #39 |
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Why not? Doton Destroy suiton, Doesn't seem fair 2 me. besides Katons can get behind Suiton Heki it just should outright destroy it (Keep in mind i only want Suiton Heki to destroy katon not Suiton as a whole. Why don't like suggestion about whirlpool i need more then a simple 'no' Feedback Plox Daibakafu is what its called. It does Push back it just incredibly easy to get out of it Just walk left or right and crisis averted usually i have to bind or nail someone down with aisu sawa before they get the full thing. @Waterclones <- Agreed Never liked them anyway @Water shark Isn't that what ramdom is? <.< Wide Min-Max sounds like ramdom damage. Im saying find a middle ground Constant damage is better then throwing a shark that did only 43 when he wasn't blocking. Water creation takes a fat chunk of the screen? No, Katon takes a Fat chunk of the screen, Swamp takes the whole screen, We have katons bigger then creation man and i said the size would increase with more knowledge and Don't worry i was thinking a crap ton of knowledge like possibly 2-3k to get it to the size i was thinking of. This next part is what gets me ........Water damage passive SHOULDN'T be needed because you already put so much cap into suiton, Don't compare blue fire damage to suiton damage <.< Blue fire damage is waaay more stronger then suiton. Katon and Raiton need alot of cap? Usually 25 is good for katon and i heard raiton also requires Con Suiton requires 30+ No lower then 30 if you go lower then that, Don't even bother Suiton is an EP intensive element, and I like that about it and don't think that factor should be removed. THAT! THAT RIGHT THAR That the problem EP intensive element is a bad thing how is that a good thing?! All it leads to is No room for variety, No room for combinations. You don't see people who go Suiton/Insertelement For a reason not to mention all it takes is ONE swamp or Hell even Gaeshi it will ruin your day, Sure you can tell me stop relying on suiton or generic response. But do you honestly think that fair? Someone with suiton not having enough ep for another ele so he can do atleast prepare for doton? Im not asking you to nerf Katon <.< or Doton Im asking for future suiton users to have to atleast have enough Ep to learn Chidori spear so they can spear the living hell out of that swap user <.< Is that 2 much to ask? Btw the passive idea i don't like out of the fact that gonna take MORE ep, And in the end repeats the cycle |
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| Fox | Dec 3 2012, 03:08 PM Post #40 |
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Because that's what Sasuna wants. No. I know what it's called, Shiny water wave just sounds better. If you can walk out of it left or right you take damage, because you can't move while blocking. So if they decide to block it, hit them with something they can't. If the decide to walk out of it, they take damage. If they shunshin out of it then good for them, because you can shunshin out of Endan to. No. And someone show me some proof of Water Shark hitting 43 against a normal player that isn't blocking No, water creation takes up a fat chunk of the screen. I don't know what you are talking about. . .Notice how Water Creation is not Katon, or Swamp, and how they have entierly diffrent purposes. It's fine the way it is. You don't see a lot of people wit it, because Sasuke doesn't have it. No it isn't. If you go lower than that for Katon, or Raiton don't even bother. Unless you want a specific move like Raiton Armor, but the same thing applies to Suiton because you might want Syrup for w.e reason or another. That isn't a problem. . .Yes I do think it's fair. I have more than enough EP to get what I need in suiton, and get other elements. i don't know what you are talking. You even have the opputunity to get MORE EP and SP through wars, arena, and traits. I don't know what you mean by not having enough EP to get something else. You are probaly just bad. Suiton is an EP intensive path, I see no problem with this still. Suiton by no means is weak. Ah, I will say this though. The physical objects of Suiton should delete Katon though. By this I mean Baku's actual wave, Water Dragons head etc etc Edited by Fox, Dec 3 2012, 04:59 PM.
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| solarhiro | Dec 3 2012, 08:29 PM Post #41 |
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Kay. Honestly starting to think you just hate suiton. Feedback would be nice <.< I know what it's called, Shiny water wave just sounds better. If you can walk out of it left or right you take damage, because you can't move while blocking. So if they decide to block it, hit them with something they can't. If the decide to walk out of it, they take damage. If they shunshin out of it then good for them, because you can shunshin out of Endan to. ^ This makes no sense whatsoever if you can just walk out of it why the hell bother blocking? just walk out and continue on. I seen people run up river the thing for christ sake. Yes You can shunshin out of it. Also will npc work? ill test both and Post it later. Actually now i that think about it. You wouldn't need that much water if suiton constantly creates more so yes it fine how it is. Now this <.< Again. F*ck Sasuke <.< and the horse he rode in on. Yes, Why sir, Yes it is <.< Sure using only 1 element isn't usually a bad thing it is if your suiton. <.< when your completely dominated by Doton and shiet out of luck If you go lower than that for Katon, or Raiton don't even bother. Unless you want a specific move like Raiton Armor, but the same thing applies to Suiton because you might want Syrup for w.e reason or another. That isn't a problem. . .Yes I do think it's fair. I have more than enough EP to get what I need in suiton, and get other elements. i don't know what you are talking. You even have the opputunity to get MORE EP and SP through wars, arena, and traits. I don't know what you mean by not having enough EP to get something else. You are probaly just bad. Suiton is an EP intensive path, I see no problem with this still. Suiton by no means is weak. I have seen People with Good Fire damage with 25 Cap, I don't know so much about raiton i just know you Need con So i figure you coulnd't go 2 crazy with the cap. And what the Hell would you NEED in suiton? Only Water creation if your willing to go so far just for some coverage for Katon Other then that You could get everything in doton that WAAAY better <.< Are you honestely telling me your willing to pay 10 EP+ For syrup? Reallly? <.< You sure as hell ain't using any of those attack unless you spend ANOTHER 10 points for the passive not to mention 2-6 for water creation passive. cuz Making water to fight constantly will leave openings. Now the question on if i suck at this game or not does not matter in the slightiest even if i did spend points wrongs. Even if i was the worst player on the server. The fact is You admited your self. Suiton Cost alot EP. and I don't see how can you not see a problem with overspeacilization? Ah, I will say this though. The physical objects of Suiton should delete Katon though. By this I mean Baku's actual wave, Water Dragons head etc etc ^ I can dig it |
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| Sengetsu | Dec 3 2012, 08:59 PM Post #42 |
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Maybe we need to sum up the main idea of our posts |
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| Fox | Dec 3 2012, 10:15 PM Post #43 |
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Because when you just walk out of it you take damage. Last time I got hit with that move it tircked for 500.XX stamina. Yeah, you saw someone run up it, so amazing. I saw someone get hit by a 7k Goryuuka and run away. Totally amazing. This move has been fine since its start up time was reduced.
What do you actually think good fire damage, and bad suiton damage is. You need con for Katon, Suiton, Raiton, Doton, and Fuuton. What are you talking about? I think most of what you're saying here, is you're bad with Suiton. . .The question here is if you are a bad player. Because Suiton isn't bad, it's one of the better elements actually. Once again, Suiton is an EP intensive element because that's the way it is, and it is fine like that. Just like how Raiton is a hard training Element. Edited by Fox, Dec 3 2012, 10:16 PM.
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| Dazbuzz | Dec 3 2012, 10:18 PM Post #44 |
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Did some tests with Suiton Sharks, two sets of 5 sharks with water, two without water: without water: Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(969.36) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(435.33) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(1010) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(667.511) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(1108.67) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(638.505) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(197.348) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(882.289) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(876.488) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(684.941) with water: Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(364.849) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(1359.93) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(1500) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(331.695) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(1426.27) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(1500) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(323.4) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(995.085) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(1102.87) Shiroi, Haku was hit by Suiton Suikoudan!(439.478) How is that not good damage?! How does that need a buff?! |
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| Fox | Dec 3 2012, 11:08 PM Post #45 |
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Turns out Suiton only has 4 passives. Water Pressure, and Water Spawn which are staples that = 16 EP A passive for Water Dragon, and Baku which aren't. Katon has 5(?) Magma/Blue Fire = 7 EP [Staple] Fire Resistance = 5(?) [Staple] Burn = 5(?) [Staple] Housenka(?) 17EP(?) for the staples because you can only get one or the other for Blue Fire/Magma. Wait what are you talking about again. I mean we can def get the EP #'s for each of the elements lol. Edited by Fox, Dec 3 2012, 11:13 PM.
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