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Punishment System
Topic Started: Oct 13 2011, 02:25 PM (728 Views)
Korona
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Madrig
Oct 13 2011, 03:58 PM
Melodie
Oct 13 2011, 03:54 PM
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Ouch thats really harsh considering some people legitly have d/c's do to bad internet...severe stoms ect.

Whats harsher is that it comes from an open afker =/


I'm a self hating AFKer. I want to punish my kind. I'm like Hitler, who was secretly jewish. -glares at Hebrew Hammer- SIC SEMPER TERRANIS.

But anyway, if you're fighting in a storm, and disconnect ALL THE TIME, then you prove it, and have an admin/gm remove your DPUnishLevel.
I didn't say ALL THE TIME .....But a 2hour ban for a one time accidental offense is bs and like i said how would it work automatically?I can see it bugging up and giveing people Da points everytime they log out like the baws.
i wont make it automatically because i just cant be done safely, and i dont want to punish people that dont deserve to be punished.
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Yaku
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DehMatsuroSenpai.~
Bahaha, Gutters, thy name is NFF. 15 minutes is barely anything, enforcers shouldn't have to ban someone 20 times to get a half decent punishment, JUST so you can unban them, AFKing is the most severe and warrants a perma ban instantly, a person can change their key or IP to reset their warning level, I can poke at least another half dozen problems in this system.

Banning was fine when I was around and people learned to fear breaking rules, the game finally had order. ...Oh wait, you unbanned everyone at the start of the wipe. The people who were the biggest threats to the game and broke the rules literally 50 times in a month. Good fucking game bro. Need I point out more obvious flaws in this system?
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You may also want to add A punish removal verb that takes away 1 punishment.....sure it may not be used much but lets say someone internet crashes and they get banned but they prove it, then they take away the one point.
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Godon
Oct 13 2011, 03:26 PM
Not a bad idea, but push the starting punish rate up and start with 8 hours... then 16 hours... then 32... then 64, then 72 ETC.

People should learn the first time.

AFK trainning? Start those off at 24h... then 48... and so on. Since AFKing is more severe then DA'ing. We shouldnt give them 15 tries before banning for a week.
Your time is quite off as 24h is very very low.
24 hour ban for AFK training is a low low low low low risk compared to what they can obtain. Plus a Key ban doesn't stop them from doing it again on a different key, you act like it is hard to obtain things anymore.
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Korona
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Oct 13 2011, 04:06 PM
Bahaha, Gutters, thy name is NFF. 15 minutes is barely anything, enforcers shouldn't have to ban someone 20 times to get a half decent punishment, JUST so you can unban them, AFKing is the most severe and warrants a perma ban instantly, a person can change their key or IP to reset their warning level, I can poke at least another half dozen problems in this system.

Banning was fine when I was around and people learned to fear breaking rules, the game finally had order. ...Oh wait, you unbanned everyone at the start of the wipe. The people who were the biggest threats to the game and broke the rules literally 50 times in a month. Good fucking game bro. Need I point out more obvious flaws in this system?
the reason a system like this is needed is because of you. you cant just ban someone forever for DAing, you werent even making ban topics so people couldnt tell if it was a accidental DA.

Also the variable would be linked the character not the IP address, and if they were afk punished, it would add 15-20 points to there PunishRating make it a fairly long ban and i think i would make a clause that would make it so if the same character was afk punished twice it would have some more harsh penalty's .
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15 minutes
30 minutes
1 hour
2 hours
4 hours
8 hours
16 hours
32 hours
64 hours
172 hours
So the punishment for your 10th DA in this system is equivalent to the punishment for your third now?
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You mean people who did their job right Korona? I never perma banned for a DA, ever. And I was given permisson by Argon to do it that way, which then you undid every single work effort of every GM for months on end due to a whim. The proof is in statistics, when I was around, the abuse rates dropped like an elderly man suffering a heart attack at the grand canyon.

The enforcers picked up their work, and I was strict, I didn't cut people slack. You cut people slack and that makes them break the rules more. We only need to check my statistics vs the current system to see how it worked out. This is lesser then the current system, and as such, will have even less results.
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*pulls out pop corns*

I love how the actual mods are raging as they look at their power going away with this system and trying to find every single mistake in it.

You say 24h is low? Well its easy to say since you can just edit yourself or not even worry about beeing caught or not. But for some people 24h without nff is going from rank 1 to 100 by losing training time.

Also even if people change of IP it should be marked on the computer not IP. Not everyone has 5 computers at home like me, and even if they have I bet they wouldnt use it for nff since it doesnt belong to them.

Also I do agree with perma ban till wipe, at the 15th warning, not directly.

Honestly one thing that works at 100% is taking 25% - 50% of their stats out and keep their char AFK training so when they come back they will be surprised at how they lost all that and how they will be weak 4ever that it would be better to remake. Ex: having 10k chakra, remove 50%, he will only have 5k and will lose chakra ultra quickly, same for stam he will die extra quickly. And then repeat till 0 if they continue

So think twice sherlocks, banning isn't the solution, manipulating time is the right solution.

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Oct 13 2011, 04:47 PM
*pulls out pop corns*

I love how the actual mods are raging as they look at their power going away with this system and trying to find every single mistake in it.

You say 24h is low? Well its easy to say since you can just edit yourself or not even worry about beeing caught or not. But for some people 24h without nff is going from rank 1 to 100 by losing training time.

Also even if people change of IP it should be marked on the computer not IP. Not everyone has 5 computers at home like me, and even if they have I bet they wouldnt use it for nff since it doesnt belong to them.

Also I do agree with perma ban till wipe, at the 15th warning, not directly.

Honestly one thing that works at 100% is taking 25% - 50% of their stats out and keep their char AFK training so when they come back they will be surprised at how they lost all that and how they will be weak 4ever that it would be better to remake. Ex: having 10k chakra, remove 50%, he will only have 5k and will lose chakra ultra quickly, same for stam he will die extra quickly. And then repeat till 0 if they continue

So think twice sherlocks, banning isn't the solution, manipulating time is the right solution.

You give too much credit to the system, that thing would ultimately be abused to remove stats from people who didn't do anything.
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Yaku
Oct 13 2011, 04:06 PM
Banning was fine when I was around and people learned to fear breaking rules
ok yaku this HAS to be said

NO ONE FUCKING EVER FEARED YOU STOP ACTING LIKE YOU MADE ANY FUCKING DIFFERENCE AT ALL CAUSE YOU REALLY REALLY DIDNT

sorry had to be said... in all caps
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Oct 13 2011, 04:53 PM
Yaku
Oct 13 2011, 04:06 PM
Banning was fine when I was around and people learned to fear breaking rules
ok yaku this HAS to be said

NO ONE FUCKING EVER FEARED YOU STOP ACTING LIKE YOU MADE ANY FUCKING DIFFERENCE AT ALL CAUSE YOU REALLY REALLY DIDNT

sorry had to be said... in all caps
Im sorry but this made me lol....
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What im saying is raise the starting punishment time... 15 min is not a threat... nor is 30... hell not until my 8th punishment... which would be 32 hours, would I even be banned for a SEMI significant time. Too lenient, and if you DA'd and have proof u d/c'd through SS, show a GM and get the warning removed.
Too add to my previous post, I see people saying mods will abuse this. If this is the case, then call out the people who you honestly think would abuse this, and have them evaluated to keep their job or not. We have some good applicants waiting for a reply, so some mods can be replaced... If fear of abuse is running around, we have bigger issues within the management then we do with the players.
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Seriously, seven of you like it? What a surprise that so many people enjoy this idea and I get at least two DA's a day. Yeah, I would report them every time which counted up to me creating around forty reports in a few weeks, now it's just part of NFF to be DA'd on.

This is honestly the only game on byond that I play that's so soft on its players. Do you not comprehend the concept of DAing on a PvP game? The entire point to gain benefits and wins/losses from fighting, which won't be had with the DA's. Seriously, only game I play that doesn't permanently ban for this. Not sure where in NFF history you guys got so lenient on the matter so that the entire game does it.

Most of you seriously care way too much about your characters and reputation in the game. Accept defeat. You honestly want to know what can happen when you do die in the game? You can try the fuck again.

Tl;dr: These aren't punishments at all and will encourage DAing even more as people already will think "Yay, I have this many chances before I can stop DAing." .-.

And just think about AFKing for this grind passive game. Same exact situation.
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Oct 13 2011, 06:43 PM
Seriously, seven of you like it? What a surprise that so many people enjoy this idea and I get at least two DA's a day. Yeah, I would report them every time which counted up to me creating around forty reports in a few weeks, now it's just part of NFF to be DA'd on.

This is honestly the only game on byond that I play that's so soft on its players. Do you not comprehend the concept of DAing on a PvP game? The entire point to gain benefits and wins/losses from fighting, which won't be had with the DA's. Seriously, only game I play that doesn't permanently ban for this. Not sure where in NFF history you guys got so lenient on the matter so that the entire game does it.

Most of you seriously care way too much about your characters and reputation in the game. Accept defeat. You honestly want to know what can happen when you do die in the game? You can try the fuck again.

Tl;dr: These aren't punishments at all and will encourage DAing even more as people already will think "Yay, I have this many chances before I can stop DAing." .-.

And just think about AFKing for this grind passive game. Same exact situation.
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DehMatsuroSenpai.~
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Oct 13 2011, 06:57 PM
Fallen
Oct 13 2011, 06:43 PM
Seriously, seven of you like it? What a surprise that so many people enjoy this idea and I get at least two DA's a day. Yeah, I would report them every time which counted up to me creating around forty reports in a few weeks, now it's just part of NFF to be DA'd on.

This is honestly the only game on byond that I play that's so soft on its players. Do you not comprehend the concept of DAing on a PvP game? The entire point to gain benefits and wins/losses from fighting, which won't be had with the DA's. Seriously, only game I play that doesn't permanently ban for this. Not sure where in NFF history you guys got so lenient on the matter so that the entire game does it.

Most of you seriously care way too much about your characters and reputation in the game. Accept defeat. You honestly want to know what can happen when you do die in the game? You can try the fuck again.

Tl;dr: These aren't punishments at all and will encourage DAing even more as people already will think "Yay, I have this many chances before I can stop DAing." .-.

And just think about AFKing for this grind passive game. Same exact situation.
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Double this. Finally, someone with abit of common sense speaks up. For the love of god, thank you Fallen.

@Vejolta: OrlyKittyman? Then explain, how like I predicted, with a month of my control and moderation, AFKing rates dropped immensely. After a month and many perma bans, we went from 10+ AFKers a night, to me alone during checks finding around...1 each night. Statistics are law Broham, they cannot be argued with for they are science and absolute.
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