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Topic Started: Jan 17 2009, 04:57 PM (111,505 Views)
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Dayleaux
Jul 3 2013, 11:57 PM
I just told you that from what I've seen/heard, that that is not what Atheism is. What I've seen. I'm staying within the confines of what I know as fact. I realize that there is the possibility of you being right, me being wrong, and me being an idiot (in this case); I also realize that there is a possibility of me being right, you being wrong, and you being an idiot. I'm going off of the evidence, Fallen. If you have more, please, present it to the jury.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
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Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.


Okay, now you know you're not an atheist. Right?
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Still waiting for that proof that Santa Claus doesn't exist tho~
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Jul 3 2013, 11:59 PM
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Jul 3 2013, 11:57 PM
I just told you that from what I've seen/heard, that that is not what Atheism is. What I've seen. I'm staying within the confines of what I know as fact. I realize that there is the possibility of you being right, me being wrong, and me being an idiot (in this case); I also realize that there is a possibility of me being right, you being wrong, and you being an idiot. I'm going off of the evidence, Fallen. If you have more, please, present it to the jury.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
First line. Paragraph one.
Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.


Okay, now you know you're not an atheist. Right?
I posted that exact same quote, in addition to the second line. I'm looking at it from the narrower sense, apparently.
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So the guy that isn't even sure if he's right and doesn't think we includes him and is an atheist who thinks their might be a God and thinks it's ok sometimes to let kids die for shoes and thinks it's possible for Santa Clause to be real as long as no one has disproven it with math because you can't prove things without math is trying to argue right now?

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Jul 3 2013, 11:59 PM
That isn't a matter of opinion, there cannot be an opinion in what I have said, because it simply isn't true.

Just because you are "almost something" doesn't mean you are that something.
Uh, pretty sure there is an entire philosophy about how the universe is One Being, therefore cannot change (since all the changes belong to the same One Being, so there can be no real "change" it's all the interconnected) The One Being philosophy states that even if you see a rock "change" to powder, it's not a real change as everything is One.

FOX PHILOSPHY IS DUMB, YOU JUST GOTTA ACCEPT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO LOOK AT THINGS AND WHAT IS WRONG OR RIGHT IS BASED ON OPINION
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Jul 4 2013, 12:01 AM
So the guy that isn't even sure if he's right and doesn't think we includes him and is an atheist who thinks their might be a God and thinks it's ok sometimes to let kids die for shoes and thinks it's possible for Santa Clause to be real as long as no one has disproven it with math because you can't prove things without math is trying to argue right now?

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Except that the "we" thing is wrong, because that's not what I was referring to, and the thinks there might be a god, and the thinks it's ok to let kids die for shoes, and the can't prove things without math, you're right on the money.

I said "near impossible" by the way. Do you not know what that means, Kiruzon?
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Fable. If there are no deities. There is no possibility of a deity.
If you believe there are no deities. You accept that as truth. That's a true statement to you.
Saying there is a possibility is not believing. That's doubting.
Do you know what doubt and belief means?

You are not atheist. You are in fact dumb. You're welcome.
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Okay Twist, you have come to me with a scientific theory, what I am arguing would be akin to a scientific fact.

There isn't another way to look at a fact, because a fact is a fact. It is a fact that 2 + 2 = 4, it is a fact that water is made up of Hydrogen and Oxygen. You cannot say "NOPE WRONG, WATER ISN'T MADE UP OF HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN BECAUSE OF WHATEVER"

That isn't how things work. . .

What I have said is what Atheism is. Fable has claimed to be an Atheist, when what he said makes him not an Atheist.

There is no other perspective in that. It is black and white.
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Jul 4 2013, 12:03 AM
Fable. If there are no deities. There is no possibility of a deity.
If you believe there are no deities. You accept that as truth. That's a true statement to you.
Saying there is a possibility is not believing. That's doubting.
Do you know what doubt and belief means?

You are not atheist. You are in fact dumb. You're welcome.
Na.

I just said that there are things that I don't know. Based on what I do know, I've come to the conclusion that there is no deity; however, there may be some evidence out there that proves otherwise. It is really that simple

We disagree on the definition of atheism, and you've yet to provide me with definitive proof of this thing about rejecting the possibility of deities.

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But you can. Just like Fallen believes it is fact that Santa Claus cannot exist, I believe that he can't prove that he doesn't. Still have no proof of that "rejection of possibility" thing. Still waiting.
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Congratulations for thinking that Fable.

If Santa Claus exist or doesn't exist (omghurtstypingthat) isn't concrete.

But me saying 1+1=2 is true, it cannot be argued as untrue. Atheism has a definition, a shut one at that. You cannot say you are something if you do not fit the definition of that thing. You are something else, but you are not what you say you are.

Fable is an atheist: Incorrect.
Fable may be an atheist in the future: Correct

That's it.
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Jul 4 2013, 12:09 AM
Congratulations for thinking that Fable.

If Santa Claus exist or doesn't exist (omghurtstypingthat) isn't concrete.

But me saying 1+1=2 is true, it cannot be argued as untrue. Atheism has a definition, a shut one at that. You cannot say you are something if you do not fit the definition.
But you have no given a definition that explicitly states that Atheism is the rejection of the possibility of deities.
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Jul 4 2013, 12:05 AM
Okay Twist, you have come to me with a scientific theory, what I am arguing would be akin to a scientific fact.

There isn't another way to look at a fact, because a fact is a fact. It is a fact that 2 + 2 = 4, it is a fact that water is made up of Hydrogen and Oxygen. You cannot say "NOPE WRONG, WATER ISN'T MADE UP OF HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN BECAUSE OF WHATEVER"

That isn't how things work. . .
I know it is confusing (sort of) and bothersome. I don't like philosophy, honestly. What you are saying is entirely correct. However what I am saying is NOT scientific theory. It's nothing but a perspective (which is all philosophy, no real fact.)
But as it happens we do need some basic philosophy in order to interpret reality.
Yes, 2 + 2 = 4. A mathematician would see this as a process. You have a two, and you add another two, and you get four. A philosopher might say, you have four, the 2 + 2 is not important.

I am really struggling to word this in a way that is understandable, but you don't seem to get me.
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So let me just repeat your own words for about a fifth time.
You admit you can be an idiot. You admit you can be wrong about atheism. You have everyone in this topic besides Tamaza (which got confused at the second post) telling you you're wrong. We provided the wikipedia for you. Twist even knows you're wrong, he's only arguing you're more atheist than anything else.

But you still think your definition of atheism you got out of thin air is correct.

So no matter what a group of intelligent people tell you. A group that has experience from literature and practices. You're not going to trust their input, their links and you're not going to research it yourself.

Like I said, you're intentionally being ignorant. You're idiotic. You're going to have to accept it and move on. I already know you're too oblivious to learn from it.
You're not atheist.
I will say for Twist's sake I accept you can be atheist in the future.
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If you do not believe in something, you do not believe in the possibility of something Fable.

"This cannot happen" =/= "This could happen"

"This is impossible" =/= "This is possible if blah, blah"
Edited by Fox, Jul 4 2013, 12:15 AM.
http://users.pop.umn.edu/~matt0350/images/forumcrap/october/scream.pdf
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Now I know who to go to if I want to start a gang of mindless drones who are going to follow one thing that they believe in and refuse the truth until they are killed.
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Not enough math in this topic.
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Jul 9 2013, 12:37 PM
Are you really calling out conditions as a way to insult? Just saying retarded was fine but to say autism...smh. No respect.

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