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That is not what atheism is... it is the rejection of deities.

I've never seen it or heard it defined as the rejection of the possibility of deities.
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Jul 3 2013, 11:30 PM
We are discussion a quote, by Fable, in the quote topic. We are on topic.
And no, Fallen was not. Lol.
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Jul 3 2013, 11:28 PM
"So then, what Fable might be experiencing is simply the "preparation" required to take his Leap of Faith into Atheism."

This would mean that Fable isn't an atheist, which is what the others and I are saying.

"You are assuming being an Atheist is as easy as just going "Oh, okay from now on I'm an atheist.""

No, I'm assuming that, that is what an atheist is because that is what an atheist is. If Fable hasn't taken that "leap" as you call it, then he isn't an atheist.
This is where your own personal perspectives come into view.

Descartes would see this process of becoming an Atheist as still being an Atheist, since the process is leading to that result. He would say that the end result is all that matters, and the journey is simply apart of that result.

You could say that as long as you haven't actually made this Leap of Faith, you aren't an Atheist, but as I said people like Descartes would disagree.

This is why I say you are ripping into him just because your belief is different.
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There is no personal perspective to take in, I am not even bringing my belief into this argument.

I am merely saying what an Atheist is. Which is akin to me saying, Water is made up of Hydrogen and Oxygen. Again, not what I believe to be an Atheist, but what an Atheist is. This is an open and shut case, there are no other routes or paths.
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Fallen:Next time somebody kills a kid over shoes and I meet them, I'll make sure to tell them. . . "According to some, you're different. Not dumb. They wouldn't want me to insult your intelligence."
Fable:And ok Fallen, I think we've made a breakthrough here today.

Fable:You have some serious problems... You take people's words and put them into your own narrow-minded interpretation...
Fable: I said it's possible that a god exists

The first set of quotes you are in fact implying it's being different. I understand you don't comprehend the words you use yourself. This is why you should be ashamed.

The second set of quotes is you being hypocritical. Saying I'm twisting your words around for my own sake, when you're trying to redefine the definition of an entire religion.

You are in fact dumb, Fable. I'm sorry that I'm the one to break it to you.

I've never seen it or heard it defined as the rejection of the possibility of deities.

So dumb. . .
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Jul 3 2013, 11:33 PM
There is no personal perspective to take in, I am not even bringing my belief into this argument.

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Personal Perspective 1:
Descartes would see this process of becoming an Atheist as still being an Atheist, since the process is leading to that result. He would say that the end result is all that matters, and the journey is simply apart of that result.

Personal Perspective 2:
You could say that as long as you haven't actually made this Leap of Faith, you aren't an Atheist, but as I said people like Descartes would disagree.

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Jul 3 2013, 11:33 PM
Fallen:Next time somebody kills a kid over shoes and I meet them, I'll make sure to tell them. . . "According to some, you're different. Not dumb. They wouldn't want me to insult your intelligence."
Fable: And ok Fallen, I think we've made a breakthrough here today.

Fable:You have some serious problems... You take people's words and put them into your own narrow-minded interpretation...
(Fabledj2) - Crack Rock: I said it's possible that a god exists

The first set of quotes you are in fact implying it's being different. I understand you don't comprehend the words you use yourself. This is why you should be ashamed.

The second set of quotes is you being hypocritical. Saying I'm twisting your words around for my own sake, when you're trying to redefine the definition of an entire religion.

You are in fact dumb, Fable. I'm sorry that I'm the one to break it to you.
But I thought it was "verbatim." Hm. Strange.

You do twist words for your own sake. This is not the example, though.

That's not what I meant. The fact that you didn't try to insult me was what I considered "a breakthrough."

Religion is a fickle thing, and has been redefined many times over humanity's years. Perhaps I am the herald of the next Inquisition, eh?
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There is no personal perspective to take in, I am not even bringing my belief into this argument.

Twist
 
Personal Perspective 1:
Descartes would see this process of becoming an Atheist as still being an Atheist, since the process is leading to that result. He would say that the end result is all that matters, and the journey is simply apart of that result.

Personal Perspective 2:
You could say that as long as you haven't actually made this Leap of Faith, you aren't an Atheist, but as I said people like Descartes would disagree.

??
Descrates would be wrong then. If I am a molecule in the process of bonding with another molecule, I am not that new thing as of yet. I am still that molecule bonding, I would be called a "molecule bonding".
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Is Fable the prophet that Atheism doesn't need to redefine itself? Or is he some imbecile that bathes in his ignorance of what Atheism actually stands for?

You decide.
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Jul 3 2013, 11:38 PM
Is Fable the prophet that Atheism doesn't need to redefine itself. Or is he some imbecile that bathes in the ignorance of what Atheism actually stands for?

You decide.
I'll take choice #1, Bob.
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It's hilarious how others have to go through the effort and trouble to explaining something simple and obvious to Fable. Look at Fox and his analogies. He literally has to try to dumb it down for you guys right now.

How is Fable not exactly like Rawr at this point?
Tries to be the next Snivy.
Actually knows nothing.
Admits to knowing nothing.
Stays in denial so they think they are right.
Claims to be the savior of some religion or world.
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Jul 3 2013, 11:42 PM
It's hilarious how others have to go through the effort and trouble to explaining something simple and obvious to Fable. Look at Fox and his analogies. He literally has to try to dumb it down for you guys right now.

How is Fable not exactly like Rawr at this point?
Tries to be the next Snivy.
Actually knows nothing.
Admits to knowing nothing.
Stays in denial so they think they are right.
Claims to be the savior of some religion or world.
I really am an Indigo Child btw
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Jul 3 2013, 11:37 PM
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Jul 3 2013, 11:35 PM
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Jul 3 2013, 11:33 PM
There is no personal perspective to take in, I am not even bringing my belief into this argument.

Twist
 
Personal Perspective 1:
Descartes would see this process of becoming an Atheist as still being an Atheist, since the process is leading to that result. He would say that the end result is all that matters, and the journey is simply apart of that result.

Personal Perspective 2:
You could say that as long as you haven't actually made this Leap of Faith, you aren't an Atheist, but as I said people like Descartes would disagree.

??
Descrates would be wrong then. If I am a molecule in the process of bonding with another molecule, I am not that new thing as of yet. I am still that molecule bonding, I would be called a "molecule bonding".
How would you call a soon-to-be fully Atheist, then?
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A soon to be fully Atheist.
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Jul 3 2013, 11:42 PM
It's hilarious how others have to go through the effort and trouble to explaining something simple and obvious to Fable. Look at Fox and his analogies. He literally has to try to dumb it down for you guys right now.

How is Fable not exactly like Rawr at this point?
Tries to be the next Snivy.
Actually knows nothing.
Admits to knowing nothing.
Stays in denial so they think they are right.
Claims to be the savior of some religion or world.
Lol'd.

There is nothing to explain. You will stay within your own narrow-mindedness until you realize that you are not always right (quite the opposite imo). I still have not seen Atheism explicitly defined as such, and therefore, I feel it is open to interpretation.

Fox's analogies are completely inapplicable here, though. Trying to compare philosophy to physics is just a bad idea.
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Jul 3 2013, 11:46 PM
A soon to be fully Atheist.
A soon to be fully Atheist.

soon to be fully Atheist.

be fully Atheist.

fully Atheist.

Atheist.

ok
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Jul 3 2013, 11:46 PM
A soon to be fully Atheist.
That is closer to being an Atheist, than it is to being a pretender at Atheism.
That is why I see no reason to bash on Fable.
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