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|Would you say it's harder being a female or male?|
|Topic Started: Jan 28 2008, 02:48 AM (2,802 Views)|
|Deleted User||Jan 28 2008, 02:48 AM Post #1|
In my opinion it's harder being a girl. I mean, we have to deal with giving birth(eventually), "That time of month" , we have to worry about dieting and such (No offense but guys don't have to worry about it as much), and it's tough. Guys might have it hard too, like, they have to do the purposing(in most cases), I guess.. and their puberty or whatever, but I still think girls have it a *little* harder.
What is your opinion? *I apologize if this topic has already been done*
|Deleted User||Jan 28 2008, 08:03 PM Post #2|
|Undeniably it is more difficult to be a woman. Not only with the physical disadvantages we have but also social disadvantages. As women we are expected to go into more nurturing occupations. Not to mention the concept of "the glass ceiling". And to add on to that women are paid 60% of what a man makes doing exactly the same job. GRRR! That makes me so angry!! So yes, it is harder to be a female. That's why I decided to study an educational program not typical of a woman.|
|joeljjison||Jan 28 2008, 08:18 PM Post #3|
Well, first i'll do this logically but without any research to know whether the logic is founded or not.
I'd say its harder to be a woman, because of the still existent discrimination, and the social pressure to have children.
On a JOKING note, its harder to be a man because you have to listen to women moaning. Obviously thats bullshit, since both sexes still need to listen to their own or the other moaning equally, and moaning amount is a matter of personality. I'm just uber clarifying that was a joke. Just in case.
"That's why I decided to study an educational program not typical of a woman."
Sorry, i don't understand the logic here. Wouldn't you choose to do something that you'd like to do. It also sounds like your accepting that something is typical of a woman, which seems like an implied bashing of your own sex... not that i think theres anything especially significant here... there are plenty of subjects that get more guys, as well as subjects that get more girls.
yes maybe this is a result of conditioning these notions like women are housewives mothers etcetera... stuff thats watering down but is still very definitely around.
And you might get frowned at by people, and people will be surprised,(which is sexist i guess) like if your doing engineering or something, but you still have the right do what you want. But i'd imagine a guy doing ballet would encounter problems too, from both sexes.
Between women and men, the best thing that we can hope for is equal rights, and wages. You can't expect sexism to dissapear as to what roles people can take in society, because men and women are not the same thing.
i've gone off on one haven't i.. :unsure:
|Deleted User||Jan 28 2008, 08:55 PM Post #4|
|Don't misunderstand me when I say "that's why I decided to study a educational progaram not typical of a woman" I chose it first because I wanted to do it but second because I like to step out of social norms by not being a statistic. The information I stated were based off statistics and terms that I learned from Sociology class. Although the statistics were from a few years ago it is still reliable. I would never bash my sex... well maybe not never, probably those females that feel its OK to degrade themselves. I hate to be associated with that. BUT, I love everything about being a woman, the curves of my body, the feminine voice, the fact the my genitals don't hang outside of my body <_< . I just love it! I would have it no other way. I can paste the stats if you want to see them.|
|joeljjison||Jan 28 2008, 10:59 PM Post #5|
I'll take your word on the stats now that you've actually said they exist. You can understand that if you were me, and you (not you me, you you) had said that you chose your course because of a statistic where i (you me) am/are coming from.
damn that was confusing.
whether your in or out of social norms, your still a statistic. its only the people who know you who think anything different.
"I love everything about being a woman, the curves of my body, the feminine voice, the fact the my genitals don't hang outside of my body"
Hmm, you have larger hanging protuberances. Well i assume so. Being a guy is quite good too. We don't get pregnant, we can aim our piss more accurately (i wonder if further ) we can drink more beer and smoke more drugs, and we have a greater potential for physical strength. At the same time, there are other things idont like.
I don't feel especially happy to be male, nor do i feel particuarly disgruntled by it. Take it or leave it lol. I wouldn't want to change midway through life though. Given the choice to have been born either sex (without changing my DOB), i would flip a coin.
|khanny||Jan 29 2008, 02:29 AM Post #6|
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hmm.. don't wanna get into a fight/altercation with anyone (been there, done that)
note tho that this topic was /lightly/ touched upon on the battle of the sexes.. but it can be more indepthly discussed here (tho that's more of a mod's decision ^^'''
one thing i can see that's harder for women is how some jobs are still harder for them to go into/get equal pay. however some statistics can be skewed.. like more males take construction work or some other life risking occupation.. leading obviously to higher pay .. still wishing for equal opps and pay for males AND female ^o^
actually in response ten-chan, a lot of girls at my school are going into engineering and science.. something that used to be more male dominated.
girls also face a lot of social pressure. "the perfect girl is tall and skinny" not everyone fits that convenient mold.. leading some to feel bad about their body and acquire eating disorders (note: some guys do have eating disorders as well.. but it's less common than in girls). also befriending girls is rather O_O. girls can be conniving.. a fight can lead to getting ostracized and rumors spread. while for guys it's more like bam a punch and then you forget about it the next day
caution: some of the following material may cause discomfort to others.. dicussion requires maturity.. >.> u have been warned
women also face more danger ie sexual harrassment, rape, etc in that vein. women carry mace, pepper spray but men don't seem to as much.. why? cuz women are more often the prey and not the predator. some males can get raped and feel a social stigma to not report it and "man up" and that's a shame.. and some rape cases may be "faked" but still it doesn't change the fact that women are preyed on v_v
the birthing thing kinda bothers me too.. sometimes the mother will be forced to take care of a baby while the father ditches. It can happen the other way too.. but i'd say not as often. it's 9 months of pure agony, physical, emotional pain. the baby hijacks almost every system in the women's body, such as stripping some calcium from bones --weakening them, immune system is going down. plus the woman has to work around constantly carrying around extra pounds (sometimes 50 lbs!) and there's also morning sickness and other illnesses. then comes the acutal labor.. pure pain that can last for hours straight.. but all the time males don't suffer as much.. (well in some rare cases, if the male has an excess of estrogen, they can go thru what's called compilemtary pregnancy where they feel some side effects of a woman's pregnancy --supah rare tho)
another thing that's horrid about being female is that they go thru more changes in puberty that could cause awkwardness.. etc. I mean, girl get that "wonderful monthly present" [/sarcasm] and it could lead to social embarrassment (some kids get it as young at 4th grade.. and 4th grades are sometimes rather forgetful in bringing the necessities,, resulting in stains. plus there are hormonal swings.. you'll feel pissifyed for no reason or grouchy.. and then u feel you wanna cry. chocolate becomes a girl's best friend. also the tedious process of shaving legs/armpit start :o but guys can be hairy all they want on the legs. girls start becoming more "gifted" in the chest region.. leading to embarrsingly asking parents for the frist trip to buy a bra. plus for some girls this new "burden" can result in back and neck pains.the time during the "monthly gifts" are also painful at times.. cramps, bloatedness and soreness in certain areas.. etc
whereas a guy gets an occasionally more "wooden" present.. and possibly liquid dreams in addition to voice breaking. (prolly more.. but i wouldn't know.. not being a male.. )
don't get me wrong both sexes go thru a lot of the same thing come puberty time.. hormones go haywire, hair grows in places that didn't before.. so yah puberty is a hard time for all.. but it seems to be more so for females
when the woman's older they also face the effects of menopause.. =_=
so basically.. i think that girls DO have it harder (don't hurt me *runs away*)
|redmage||Jan 29 2008, 04:22 AM Post #7|
I can haz member title?
Hmmm.... I'm going to disagree with Ten-chan and Emmy-chan and go with male. However, I should note that I'm only basing my position on your average male versus your average female. There are certain factors that could make it soooo much easier to be a woman, and factors that could make it sooo much easier to be a man. For example, if you happen to be rediciulously rich and married to a buisnessman, then I would say it's pretty damn easy being a woman. On the other hand, a woman living a much more.... hmmm.... "old fashioned" lifestyle, where she has and takes care of half a dozen or more children, yeah... that would be tough.
I also don't believe that there's a real significant difference in the "difficulty" of being either gender, and I think that about 90% of the difficulties that men face for being male are a result of the government stepping where it just shouldn't step.
I'll start with this because it's so often brought up (though the number is rarely constant), but factually incorrect. The notion of a "wage gap" has actually been busted for a long time, but "Men Women Earn Equal Pay" doesn't make headlines as fast as "Women Earn 40% Less Than Men."
The statistic is actually a misrepresentation of a commonly government study that concluded that working women make 77% (60% is at least 20 years outdated) of working men. People tend to assume that this means men make more for the same work, but the study didn't deal with equal work. It's merely the median wage (benefits not included) of all full time working women and full time working men. It also doesn't include any benefits. This means that the 40-hour a week secretary is being compared to the 70-hour a week surgeon. Of course the surgeon makes more, his work is harder and he works more. This tends to inflate the amount of money men seem to make. Men generally work higher paying jobs, and typically work more hours than women (about 8 hours more per week). If you account for work experience, job type, position, education, years on the job, and hours worked, the "wage gap" shrinks to a measly 2% (meaning that women make 98% of men doing the same work).
I should also note that this 98% is by no means constant. Women can expect to make more in female dominated jobs than men do, whereas men tend to make more in male dominated jobs. Perhaps this is because natural tendencies tend to help men perform better in male dominated jobs, and women for the opposite? Regardless, the wage gap is miniscule at most, perhaps even nonexistant. In fact, if you only account for college educated workers who have been working continuously since college, then women make MORE than men doing the same work (by not by a significant amount).
Or you could think of it this way: If women get paid less money, then why don't companies fire all their male employees and hire women? Their production costs would go down substantially. But they don't do that. The fact is, such a wage gap cannot exist in a free-market society.
I should also note that there has never been any conclusive study as to the validity of the "glass ceiling." The fact that men are heavily overrepresented in exeutive positions doesn't mean that women are barred from them. Just as the fact that most nurses are women doesn't mean men are barred from being nurses. Considering that men are more likely to go into business than women, and that men do work more on average, and that men generally have more assertive personalities that will get them noticed, it doesn't seem so odd that women are underrepresented in the higher positions. Also women are significantly more likely to leave work to take care of children than men. Even if women only leave for a brief time, it hurts their chances at promotion. I'd say that most, if not all, of the glass ceiling can be explained in a similar fashion as the "wage gap." And in truth, if anything, affirmative action policies help women get promoted over men, it's just that women's own choices work against them.
Now, those last two sections were not indended to downplay sexism at all. It's horrible, it happens (to both sexes, I should note), and when it does happen, it should be dealt with appropriately. I just don't think that it accounts for every difference between men and women; I actually think that it accounts for very few of the many, many differences between the two genders. I guess I just have trouble believing the people are dicriminating against women because they don't believe they can handle higher positions when polls show that a vast majority of Americans have no problem with a woman holding the most powerful position on the planet.
Anyway, now why I said men:
The first one is admittedly having to deal with the feminist whining that happens nowadays. I mean, as I've said, the wage gap has been disproven and the glass ceiling is a weak case. I hate having to answer as to why men make more than women at every turn. I also hate having to answer for my gender, something that needs not be done, and even if it did, I wouldn't. Of course the worst are the feminists who simultaneously believe that there's no difference between the sexes and that men are all pigs. You know, the ones that insist that all men are rapists and wife-beaters.
Second.... no Selective Services for women. Now, if I refuse to register, I'll face up to 5 years in jail and up to a $250,000 fine. >.> If a woman does, it's not problem. (Quite frankly, a draft is unconsitutional under the 13th ammendment (no involuntary servitude), but the Supreme Court decided to ignore that. And such gender discrimination is unconstitutional under the 14th ammendment (equal protection clause), but when has the Supreme Court ever made a ruling based on the constitution.)
Third, female criminals get off a hell of a lot easier than men. It was just on the news a little while ago that a woman was convicted of raping a minor (statutory). It was her second rape conviction in 10 years, and she was sentenced to 2 years jail time. (The first one she got no jail time.) Now, if a male got off with no jail time after raping a minor, there would be riots. And actually, in some states, a woman cannot be tried for statutory rape. Women are favored in just about every crime (if that makes sense). The only crime where women are punished more severely than men is infanticide. (This really shouldn't be here since I said I'd deal with the average, which a criminal certanly isn't, but it's at least worth noting.)
Fourth, people are generally more sympathetic towards women. It's evidenced in the legal system (as noted above), in personal relationships, and in government action. I seem to recall a series of tee-shirts targeted toward pre-teen and younger teenage girls that advocated acts of violence against boys (throw rocks, cut off feet, kick in the belly, etc.) I should also note that as far as the government actions go, take breast cancer. Breast cancer research is the 2nd most overfunded disease research in the United States at $290/patient. (AIDS is #1 at $4,439/patient.) On the other hand, Diabetes, which kills more people than AIDS and breast cancer combined, only recieves $41/patient. Heart disease, the number one killer, recieves $58/patient. Now, all this breast cancer awareness is great, but if we were advocating lung cancer awareness or prostate cancer awareness instead, we'd save more lives (because they have a higher incidence rate).
Fifth, Title IX. Now, Title IX was a good idea... a very good idea, and it did a great job in allowing women to play competitive sports, but by now it's gone off the deep end. Just about anyone could tell you that men play sports more often, but Title IX has been stretched to mean that women and men must play sports at the same rate, not just be given the same opportunities. If a school can't muster enough women to play a sport, then it's become custom that they shut down a men's sport as well... you know, to be fair. In some cases it's even take to the extreme, like at Merritt Island High School, where the school was sued because the boys' baseball field was better than the girls softball field. The problem was, the field was better because the baseball team worked on it, did repairs, planted grass, even found sponsors. The girls' team did none of that, but that didn't stop a court from ordering the school to undo all the hard work the boys put into it.
Sixth, divorce. A man who divorces his wife is lucky if he gets equal custody of his children. He's bound to lose at least half of his assets, and will likely end up paying alimony and child support. On the other hand, women rarely are ordered to pay child support and/or alimony. In many states, women are guarenteed to get back whatever property they had before the marriage; there are no such laws for men.
Seventh, and I suppose this could go in with the first, but the fact that every time some sort of crime happens against women (or any minority for that matter), it's deemed representative of today's society. For example, when three members from the Duke Lacross team raped a stripper, it was an example of a society that condones rape.... oh wait....That's right, she wasn't raped. >.>
Eighth, The Violence Against Women Act. Ignore the fact that men are 3 times as likely to be a victim of violence. They don't count. Only the female victims count.
Ninth, doublt binds that society generally places on men. I'll take the nurturing comment that Ten-chan made as an example. A majority of women believe that men should be more nurturing and be more open to being a "stay-at-home dad." However, a small minority of women say that they would find that attractive in a man. So, if a man is more nurturing, he'll find that most women will be turned off by it, but if a man is not very nurturing, then he'll find that most women will criticize him for being not nurturing enough. Of course, even this thread creates somewhat of a double bind, as society generally says that women are disadvantaged (something I just don't believe). If I say men have it harder, or even that it's equal, I'm likely to draw a lot more criticism (and more vicious criticism) If I say women have it harder, that's 1.) lying because I don't believe that and 2.) "admitting" that I have it "easy" because I'm male, something that's certainly not true. The fact is, I have to tread very lightly in threads such as this.
Tenth, and this sort of goes along with my thoughts on abortion, but I don't believe in reproductive rights as society seems to think. (The only reproductive rights that should exist is the decision to have sex, and to not be forcibly sterilized.) Abortion allows women to make a child "dissapear," an option that just is not available to men. Also those who claim that men have no place in the abortion debate are being just plain sexist and stupid. (It's mostly just the radical feminists though.)
Alright, I just want to add one more thing. The last reason that I care to list now is the general "anti-boy" attitude that society seems to hold (at least Western society). I remember getting into quite an extensive argument with a girl who seemed to insist that all men be treated with caution, almost as if we're all possible rapists and agressors. That all we want to do is get into some girls pants, and act completely irresponsibly (and possibly illegally) when left to our own devices. (Fortunately, she no longer does, and I'm simply mentioning this to illustrate a point, not as any sort of attack.) Needless to say, she didn't seem to hold the beliefs with regards to women. Having to prove that I'm not a "typical guy" (not that there's anything wrong with a "typical guy" >.>) gets especiallly annoying, and frustrating, when you have to do it with half the girls you meet. Too many girls think that if one guy acts like a jerk, that means all guys are jerks. Quite frankly, I've met a lot of jerks so far, and about half of them were girls.
Now, I'll reiterate one thing I said before. Male or female doesn't make much of a difference (at least as far as this thread is concerned). It's a persons lifestyle that makes the difference. I still say it's male, just slightly though. It could be neither, but for that to happen people would have to learn to stop being so.... hmmm.... uptight about certain things and just let things happen as they happen.
Also, I'll say that I could list reasons for females, but I'll leave the women to do that. I was also trying to stick to government interference and social attitudes rather than actual physical or mental/emotional differences. The physical and mental/emotional differences essentially balance themselves out (or at least I think so), and thus the real causes for it being any harder for either gender are social attitudes and government.
Edit: Amusingly I was post shanked. I need to type faster/get distracted less.
In response to khanny:
Girls do have more pressure in terms of weight, but guys have more pressure in terms of strength/athleticism. Just as you have the perfect girl mold, you have the perfect guy mold too, and not many fit into them.
Actually, the reason women are more likely to carry mace, etc. is because women are the weaker sex (physically, anyway). If a man attacks an unarmed woman, she has a very slim chance of being able to fight back effectively. On the other hand, a guy has just as good of a chance as his attacker. It really has nothing to do with the likelyhood of being attacked because, as I noted above, men are morre likely to be attacked. (Unless you were specifically referring to sexual assualt.)
I'm not gonna touch the pregnancy thing. I've argued that before and I don't care to go down that road again. I disagree with some of the things you said, but I'm just not going to say it unless I really feel compelled to. (And you promise not to attack me. o.o;)
There are responses I could give to puberty things, but they're not ones that I care to give now, and I don't personally believe that I can effectively enunciate what my thoughts at the moment.
Lastly, men actually go through something identical to menopause. It's called andropause. Only difference is that men don't have periods to begin with.
|Deleted User||Jan 29 2008, 04:38 AM Post #8|
|I think that women do have it harder, honestly. I mean, come on! Men don't bleed for one week a month. If they did, they probably wouldn't live.|
|joeljjison||Jan 29 2008, 01:11 PM Post #9|
For bleeps sake, at least acknowledge the previous posts.
If the argument for which is harder was purely physically based lets see..
I know of andropause, but its not something i have to think about anytime especially soon. Women do have periods, and pregnancy. Quite a disadvantage really, because at present, a man can bugger off, but if a woman runs away, the baby comes with. Though inspite of what people say without evidence i can't believe thats a norm. Just a straight off example of an advantage or disadvantage.
And we can argue against women having abortion, (speaking of, think of abortion as a voldemortism for a moment - what is easy, not what is right), but its not us who have to keep the child. Additionally periods are regular and more painful than any equivalent we have.
I don't mind too much selective laws in society and media bias that males will be violent and stuff like that, because if we're not it makes us look like better people than we are! Nonetheless, the amount i hear ''all guys are jerks" and stuff like that... nowadays when i hear similar proclamations, and any proclamation i hear unfounded, i just lose almost all respect for the person it came from.
people who cant truly THINK for themselves dont deserve my time. ill reiterate because im paranoid, that im not directing that ten-chan, who has shown herself plenty to be open minded enough to change her opinions if she feels a need to do so. nor am i particuarly disgruntled about K-chan.
honestly i don't think discrimination from one sex to another is going to go away. if you criticize openly stuff like the extreme funding bias towards breast cancer.. well basically its not a good idea.
i didnt know of cases for women getting lighter sentences for the same crime, but ive seen plenty portrayals of the bias towards them, in their innocence, how easy it is to be the girl who cried rape, and so on and so forth.
i was accused by someone of stalking her a few years ago. it was false, and with any logic could not be seen differently. she was someone who was a friend, or so i had thought, and extremely clingy, and pressuring me to offer platitudes i didn't want to. then she decided it was scary, and told her friends i was stalking her. i travelled home on the same bus than her. she always got off before me. i went to the same school as her, and i spent alot of time in the music block. nonetheless everyone female who was told, excepting someone who was friends with me (she burst out laughing when she heard) believed such a thing blindly.
i dont really make that much a fuss of skewed laws, because society has spent a pretty long time being male dominated.. but this kind of sexism pisses me off more... people making assumptions about others based on their gender, the bias of wanting to hear something in particular... or people meeting a girl or a guy and liking them because they DON'T fit into their stupid little assumptions.. not liking a girl because she has short hair, not liking a guy because he's 'nurturing' (id prefer to say a bit camp :lol: , like magey talks about, its one hell of a contradiction
Nice post magey. One of your best.
|redmage||Jan 29 2008, 10:37 PM Post #10|
I can haz member title?
Lol. I actually thought it was one of my worse posts. It was rushed (despite the length), it was poorly thought out, and I scrambled to find 10 reasons that were non-physical/mental/emotional differences. I could have probably made a better case by listing only 5, but making my points clearer, but I think 10 is a better number. It's nice and even. Ends with a zero. I like it.
Anyway, to what Joel said:
In the US at least (I don't know about the UK), a man can't "bugger off." The law states that the father's name must be present on the birth certificate, and whoever's name ends up on the birth certificate (even if he's not the biological father) is financially responsible for the child. As I've said in the abortion thread, I would personally rather having to take care of a child than be held financially responsible for a child of mine that I have no legal right to see. So even though women generally keep a child if they don't have an abortion, the father's still lose out. Regardless, my contention with abortion has nothing to do with male v. female anyway. >.> It was really only there to fill a tenth slot and take another shot at abortion.
Well, I should note that the fact that periods are regular would actually be an advantage. They're at least moderately predictable. I would certainly prefer it if guys'.... *ahem* you know... were at all predictable.
Selective/skewed laws just shouldn't exist. The male only Selective Services really ticks me off. (Actually, Selective Services in general does, but particularly because it's applied to only one group.) The Violence Against Women Act is rediculous. It wastes $1 billion every year, and all it does it tell us that Congress thinks violence against women is worse than violence against men.
I keep thinking there was something else I wanted to say, in response to my own post actually, but I can't remember what it was, and I have to leave in a few minutes so I'll just leave it at this.
|Deleted User||Jan 30 2008, 01:50 PM Post #11|
Oookay, maybe this isn't the right forum to be a newbie in, but I wanted to join in.
I believe we have it about equally, women can complain about physical pain(Midol and Morphine anyone?) and men can complain about "being a man" pressure. At least when a female has cramps a school coach goes easy on her, if a guy complained about pain it makes me wonder if he too would get the time off. It just feels like women are still thought of as dainty little cupcakes not expected to do anything and men are supposed to be the big strong protectors even if not every person fits either role.
So we both have pain and we both have pressure from society to act like the perfect image of our gender, but I'm going to go with men having it harder because women haven't been drafted to war yet. ^_^;
I'm not touching law and baby issues, you guys can handle those. o.o
|Deleted User||Jan 31 2008, 03:50 AM Post #12|
|It's hard to be a woman. Hands down. Easy as Pi. Of course everyone has advantages and disadvantages to being a male and being a female. The reason why I say that females have it worst is because we live in a man-driven society, if someone doesn't believe that, stop and think about it. All the underlying details can be ignored. Just looking at the surface of things there are physical disadvantages that women have, from child birth to being weaker than their counterparts. In the workplace no matter how skewed the statistics are men make more money that women. I won't deny that it is becoming more socially acceptable for women to do "the jobs of a man," if you will. Hmm...looks like I lost my train of thought but I refuse to start over so I'll add later. It's past my bedtime anyway...|
|redmage||Jan 31 2008, 04:32 AM Post #13|
I can haz member title?
Erm.... hate to break it to you, but life is hard.... Hands down.... Easy as pi. As for your comment about a male-driven society, the dominant demographic really means nothing. The people who "drive" society, so to speak, are just that, individual people. You really think that I have it easier because there are a bunch of rich, white guys in Washington, or at the top of the corporate ladder? Quite frankly, I'm not one of them. They may have it easy, but I sure as hell don't. Now, if they all decided to suddenly start favoring white males, like I have some real connection to them, then yes, I would have a distinct advantage. But in reality, the demographic of a representative or businessman has little effect on their policies. Black representatives and white liberal representatives vote almost identically on the issues. The same is true for women and their male counterparts. And actually, if anything policy makers have a tendency to favor demographics other than their own (perhaps to avoid appearing racist/sexist). Programs to help girls do better in school (even though they outperform boys), more AIDS funding, and Affirmative Action programs were all spearheaded by white, heterosexual men. And even just look to this upcoming election: Why do you think Hillary and Obama got so much support? People are looking for the first black or female president. Unfortunately, poor Edwards didn't have a chance, being a boring ol' white male. Seriously, he could have found the solution for world hunger and brought about world peace, and he still wouldn't have had a chance.
And I'll reiterate, men do make more money than women, but that's just a generalization. If you compare one man to one woman doing the same work with the same qualifications, they'll make the same amount of money. Women just choose different jobs than men, and it doesn't appear to be entirely due to social contraints.
And you could argue that being weaker does have its advantages. Men end up doing physical labor moreso than women (and I'd say rightfully so). I personally doin't think you can really count being weaker or stronger as an advantage or disadvantage because there are certainly trade-offs.
Again, I'm not touching the subject of pregnancy. Last time I did, it got way out of hand.
Now, The one statement: "All the underlying details can be ignored" strikes me as being very.... hmmm.... can't really think of a word for it. It just seems like you're dismissing everything I said by saying "Oh, that's not important," but in truth, some of my points were. I'll be the first to admit (and I already have) some of my points were to take up space, but there were some legitimate points there, and one can hardly dismiss things such as the lack of a wage gap and a male only Selective Services as unimportant.
|Petra_stone_girl||Jan 31 2008, 11:01 PM Post #14|
His little one
"Well, I should note that the fact that periods are regular would actually be an advantage. They're at least moderately predictable. I would certainly prefer it if guys'.... *ahem* you know... were at all predictable."
okay one thing on this... periods arent always regular. it takes years to become regular for some girls and pregnancies change it also. i have a cousin who was pregnant with her 2nd child, had him and the next month was on her period for 2 weeks. i know someone else who was regular every 35 days until her first pregnancy then she had a 29 day cycle. and who u meet and are around can dictate what length of cycle u have. most times a family with girls in it will sync up and friends will to. it depends on hormone levels of ur friends and family
this thread reminded me of something our sex-ed teacher tried to feed to us... he began "hear me out first and if the girls want to throw something at me they can once i have finished" he went on to say that men had it worse than women for pretty much what i quoted magey on and that men have a sexual thought every 30 seconds whether it be conscious or unconscious. and ofcourse every girl in the room threw their notebooks at him
and men are naturally physically stronger but thats only if both parties dont work out or lift weights etc... i know girl who are stronger than most men and i know very weak girl it depends on the people...
i actually do carry mace with me on my key chain. its mostly for in parking lots so that if i were to be attacked i could spray them and they would be incapacitated or at the very least have an orange dye on them for 2 weeks and more easily identified if they were to be caught
and genitically females are more likely to be a carrier or to have a disease right? because they get an X chromosome from both mother and father having more ways to contract something with the mothers X and the fathers but guys only have 3 with the mothers 2 X chromosome and the fathers Y
i looked it up female autoimmune diseases are more predominant
|Deleted User||Feb 1 2008, 02:33 AM Post #15|
|I wasn't dismissing anything, I said underlying details CAN be ignored meaning to look at the surface of things because that can tell you plenty even before looking deeper into it. I was trying to avoid talking about myself because I don't need anyone to pity me, so I just wanted to point out what makes it hard to be a woman. But I love how you point out the fact that we as women get special benefits to being a woman. I'd like to see where women would be if we didn't have the policies we have today. We'd would be battered, uneducated, and virtually a slave to the man. If you think it isn't right for us to be protected by policy and if not "protected" then maybe a little bit insured by it then you know nothing about being a woman during the present or the past.|
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