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Topic Started: Dec 12 2006, 08:52 AM (5,584 Views)
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Jul 3 2008, 06:43 AM
IE, tonight. => :sleeping:
:lol: Yup, that will be me. :yes: (I just hope it is tonight and not today at work... My sleep total for the past 3 nights has been about 14 hours. Must... stay... awake... to focus on Gladiatus... er... to, to... do my work I mean. ;) )
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Jul 3 2008, 07:47 AM
*itch* *itch*

Wow. Sorry to hear about the lice IE. But like 24 and Tribblemom, I itch just reading your post. :doh:

Treating lice is going to be a long process regardless IE. It could take more than one treatment and you're going to have to be consistent with using the lice comb and clearing her head of the nits. You and the Mrs. too. It could take weeks.

What you also have to treat is the house. But I'm sure your doctor told you what to do..... short of fumigation. ;)

We figure we'll be at this for a minimum of 3 weeks. Lice combing is happening and will happen daily. The stuffed animals, plush toys, dress up costumes, etc. that were bagged will stay that way until 2 weeks have passed or the lice are cleared up whichever happens LAST. My daughter isn't happy about not being able to sleep with her 2 favorite stuffed dogs. :( Clothes, bed linens, and towels are getting laundered daily. Floors and furniture are getting vacuumed daily. Yup, this is why I'm getting little sleep. Anything that goes in the hair - combs and brushes - get soaked in isopropal alcohol for at least 10 minutes immediately after.

I'm a little nervous about using lice shampoos after reading the dangers on the internet. I don't know yet what the doctor said today, but I'm hoping there is a different alternative to what we have been using without turning to the pesticide types yet. I was reading that children absorb the toxins more easily and their bodies can't fight them as well. The side affects can be quite serious - even fatal - even while using them as directed. Since the method we have been using has been improving the situation, we may stick with it for a few more days (and if effective, stay with it) unless we are convinced that an alternative has little risk.
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I would have already resorted to using a lice shampoo (as a personal choice). On my hair at least. Besides just not wanting bugs on me, I wouldn't want to take a chance of exposing others to the lice. I can understand you not wanting to put some of those shampoos on your daughter's hair though.

For bed and stuffed animals and such, I definitely would avoid using any kind of pesticide if I could.

Hopefully the doctor will have given your wife something effective to use. Up to three weeks is a long time to live with those critters.
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Jul 2 2008, 08:54 AM
Thanks a lot 24 for that picture! :'( :lol:

And thanks TribbleMom for the well wishes. :)

It looks like the problem is nastier than we thought. The doctor had said she only saw 2 lice in my daughter's hair and no nits so she didn't think it was a big problem yet. However, I got a lice comb on my way home from work yesterday and combed through my daughter's hair to make sure the cream had killed them all. Wrong! I pulled out at least 50 live lice out of her hair! :( It took about 2 hours! And I'm pretty sure I saw many nits as well. So then my wife and I were really suspicious of the itching in our own hair. We found about 6 live lice in my wife's hair and none in mine. However, they're tricky little buggers so I'm not completely convinced I have none. I do have the shortest hair, however, which might explain my apparent good fortune. But the main point is the cream didn't work so my wife is calling back the doctor's office this morning.

And those things are tiny! Up until last night, I hadn't actually seen one. They're about as small as a gnat.

I only got about 4 hours sleep again last night because of this. :ermm:
IE,

I'm sorry for your bad luck. My daughter had them when she was younger, and they were very resistant. I used to spend hours each night combing out nits and lice, and used all the treatments I could get my hands on. I did everything else right, but to no avail. Finally, a nurse contacted me with a new treatment still in it's testing stages, but I was willing to try anything at this point.

All you need is olive oil, dish washing liquid and a package of disposable shower caps. And of course the nit comb.

The nurse told me to saturate my daughter's hair with olive oil every other night, and put a shower cap on her head and let her sleep with it. Then she had me wash her hair the following morning, twice, with the dish washing liquid. And of course I still had to comb for nits daily.

After a few days of this, I couldn't find any live lice whenever I combed. After two weeks, every trace of nits and lice were gone. (The nurse had told me to continue the treatment for three weeks, but it was unnecessary to continue after two weeks. This after struggling for months)

The way the olive oil works is that the lice and nits are porous, and any leftover from combing, will be suffocated by the oil.

I know the treatment sounds very unpleasant, but it works.
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Mel,

Thanks for the info. The cream that we have been using is supposed to work the same way, by suffocating the lice. But we're only supposed to apply it to her scalp - not to mention, it would take enormous quantities to apply to all of her hair anyway. As it is, we're using about 1/3 of an 8 oz bottle per application. I suspect it would be much more effective though to saturate all of her hair and the olive oil would be easier to do that with. I suspect the reason for the dishwashing detergeant is to ensure that a conditioner based shampoo is not used. It's hard to find ones that don't have conditioner, but you're not supposed to use those because the conditioner somehow protects the nits. I will tell my wife about this.


24,

Hopefully, we won't have to live with the actual bugs for the 3 weeks. The main reason it takes that long is because we have to keep checking just in case we miss any nits and they end up hatching. Also the treatment protocols we have seen so far call for applying initially and then repeating after a week and then again after another week.
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IE,

I hadn't heard about the Conditioner protecting the nits, but the nurse had told me that the reason for the dish washing liquid is that it's designed to cut out grease. Since you're essentially putting grease in the hair, it'll wash it out much more easily than a regular shampoo.
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Ah, that does makes sense about getting out the grease. Did you also wash her hair with regular shampoo at all during that time or were you supposed to wash only with the dishwashing liquid?
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Jul 3 2008, 02:57 PM
24,

Hopefully, we won't have to live with the actual bugs for the 3 weeks. The main reason it takes that long is because we have to keep checking just in case we miss any nits and they end up hatching. Also the treatment protocols we have seen so far call for applying initially and then repeating after a week and then again after another week.
Rodger, rodger!
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Jul 3 2008, 04:34 PM
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Ah, that does makes sense about getting out the grease. Did you also wash her hair with regular shampoo at all during that time or were you supposed to wash only with the dishwashing liquid?
I don't really remember. I imagine I would have quickly washed her hair with regular shampoo during baths at that time, but I'm not sure.

It was about 6 years ago...lol
Edited by Mel, Jul 4 2008, 09:26 AM.
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No problem. Thanks Mel!
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IE,

What's the status on the icky ickies?
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It's definitely getting better. My wife was critter free yesterday. We only found 1 live one in my daughter's hair. We're checking 2 times each day. The doctor had told us just to keep doing what we are doing. They don't want to start us on anything toxic. I'm in agreement. I think we will continue with this and, if we need a change of method at some point, then we'll go with Mel's process.

I just hope it stays this way. I have heard too many horror stories of people who thought they were gone only to have them all return. We're not going to give up on the thoroughness in the least for quite awhile even though it's taking hours.
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I need some sleep. :whistle2:
Edited by Intrepid, Jul 5 2008, 01:24 PM.
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Jul 5 2008, 12:28 PM
It's definitely getting better. My wife was critter free yesterday. We only found 1 live one in my daughter's hair. We're checking 2 times each day. The doctor had told us just to keep doing what we are doing. They don't want to start us on anything toxic. I'm in agreement. I think we will continue with this and, if we need a change of method at some point, then we'll go with Mel's process.

I just hope it stays this way. I have heard too many horror stories of people who thought they were gone only to have them all return. We're not going to give up on the thoroughness in the least for quite awhile even though it's taking hours.
So time consuming.

I bet your daughter is beginning to hate sitting there for long periods of time while you slowly comb through her hair. :pullhair:
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Jul 5 2008, 01:23 PM
I need some sleep. :whistle2:
Hmmm... I wonder why. :P
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Jul 5 2008, 02:26 PM
I bet your daughter is beginning to hate sitting there for long periods of time while you slowly comb through her hair. :pullhair:
Yeah she is. But she's being quite a trooper too. Fortunately, we have a portable DVD player. So she watches it at the kitchen table (because the light is best there and it's not over a carpet) while we comb through her hair. Then we move it to the bathroom to apply the cream.

My wife had none again so far today. We found 1 in my daughter's hair. However, I'm beginning to understand that we are finding newly hatched ones only. So we are not missing bugs, we're missing nits. After they hatch, it takes about 7 days before the are grown enough to lay any new nits. So that means we have that long to find the bugs - something I feel sure we will do. Existing nits will take up to 10 days to hatch. So we may see live bugs through the end of the week, but if we do our job properly, we shouldn't see any more after that. The last and only adult louse we saw was last Tuesday.
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Sounds like you are nipping it in the bud! :fingers:
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I just got through lice combing my daughter's and wife's hair. Zero found on both! :woohoo:
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:woo:
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IE, it sounds like you may all avoid the need to shave your heads after all. Hope the good news continues.
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