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Lessons; TNG
Topic Started: Aug 18 2008, 06:31 PM (156 Views)
24thcenstfan
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Wow, Captain Picard is really digging Commander Daren. Their interaction with one another seems fairly comfortable too. Picard has always been awkward when it comes to romance. Daren is definitely more of a match than someone like Vash.

I had kind of forgotten about this episode. Very nice. The music is beautiful.

Its only half way through. Commercial is almost over...


Edit: What an emotional ending. When I thought Commander Daren was dead. :cry: The sadness on Picard's face. Thank goodness she survived.

Geeze, I'm all snifflely now. I need a coke. :lol: **Goes off to the kitchen to get one...**
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Yes, that was indeed one of the better episodes showing the difficulties of someone in command becoming involved with a crew members and having to order them into dangerous situations. Even though Starfleet isn't supposed to be a military organization, it has to have some kind of command structure for order and efficiency, and a commander is not allowed to show favoritism despite personal feelings. Picard always exhibited a keen sense of duty. Remember, too, his battle with duty and personal feelings in "The Perfect Mate"?
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This was one that always felt a bit contrived to me. Kind of TNG's version of Scotty and Mira in TOS' "The Lights of Zetar". It's execution was a bit better, but then TNG was really less melodramatic than TOS throughout its latter seasons.
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Aug 18 2008, 10:48 PM
Yes, that was indeed one of the better episodes showing the difficulties of someone in command becoming involved with a crew members and having to order them into dangerous situations. Even though Starfleet isn't supposed to be a military organization, it has to have some kind of command structure for order and efficiency, and a commander is not allowed to show favoritism despite personal feelings. Picard always exhibited a keen sense of duty.
That surprised me when it was mentioned that it wasn't against Starfleet rules for the Captain to get involved with someone in his command structure. Picard is a professional individual though, and I think he handled the situation fairly well. Especially when Riker came to him with concerns about how he was supposed to deal with Daren's requests.

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Remember, too, his battle with duty and personal feelings in "The Perfect Mate"?
I don't think Picard would have had a problem at all in that situation if Kamala hadn't had a strong effect on the men around her. I got the impression that Picard's feelings had more to do with Kamala's power over men, and less to do with strong genuine feelings. Not that he didn't have some type of attraction for her, but his mind was "under the influence" somewhat.

I think he had more of a genuine fondness for Commander Daren. Picard's passionate side is usually subdued, so when he shows affection it can be awkward IMO. I thought it seemed natural with her.

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This was one that always felt a bit contrived to me. Kind of TNG's version of Scotty and Mira in TOS' "The Lights of Zetar". It's execution was a bit better, but then TNG was really less melodramatic than TOS throughout its latter seasons.

Oh wow, was that coupling odd. :lol: I think Picard and Daren were much more realistic of a pairing.
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24thcenstfan
Aug 19 2008, 07:45 PM
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Remember, too, his battle with duty and personal feelings in "The Perfect Mate"?
I don't think Picard would have had a problem at all in that situation if Kamala hadn't had a strong effect on the men around her. I got the impression that Picard's feelings had more to do with Kamala's power over men, and less to do with strong genuine feelings. Not that he didn't have some type of attraction for her, but his mind was "under the influence" somewhat.

I think he had more of a genuine fondness for Commander Daren. Picard's passionate side is usually subdued, so when he shows affection it can be awkward IMO. I thought it seemed natural with her.
Agreed. However, I think that TribbleMom might have a point especially when one considers how Kamala reveals that she forged her permanent bond with Picard and that the abilities and traits she had picked up from him would allow her to carry out her obligation and go through with the arranged marriage.

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This was one that always felt a bit contrived to me. Kind of TNG's version of Scotty and Mira in TOS' "The Lights of Zetar". It's execution was a bit better, but then TNG was really less melodramatic than TOS throughout its latter seasons.

Oh wow, was that coupling odd. :lol: I think Picard and Daren were much more realistic of a pairing.


The pairing always felt too abrupt to me. Started and ended too quickly, though that may have been more a result of the fact that TNG was a more episodic show when compared to DS9, Voyager and Enterprise.
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Aug 20 2008, 03:17 AM
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Remember, too, his battle with duty and personal feelings in "The Perfect Mate"?
I don't think Picard would have had a problem at all in that situation if Kamala hadn't had a strong effect on the men around her. I got the impression that Picard's feelings had more to do with Kamala's power over men, and less to do with strong genuine feelings. Not that he didn't have some type of attraction for her, but his mind was "under the influence" somewhat.

I think he had more of a genuine fondness for Commander Daren. Picard's passionate side is usually subdued, so when he shows affection it can be awkward IMO. I thought it seemed natural with her.
Agreed. However, I think that TribbleMom might have a point especially when one considers how Kamala reveals that she forged her permanent bond with Picard and that the abilities and traits she had picked up from him would allow her to carry out her obligation and go through with the arranged marriage.
I think that she was given some of the best of Picard's attributes.

I have to wonder just how strong her feelings were for Picard to have allowed herself to Bond with him. Or if she was just picking up on an intensified version of his feelings. She supposedly fed off of what the men were feeling even when not bonded.

Anyway, that (the episode) was another good peak of the man behind the facade of Captain Picard.
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Aug 21 2008, 07:37 PM
I have to wonder just how strong her feelings were for Picard to have allowed herself to Bond with him. Or if she was just picking up on an intensified version of his feelings. She supposedly fed off of what the men were feeling even when not bonded.

Anyway, that (the episode) was another good peak of the man behind the facade of Captain Picard.
Very good question. How would such an entity really know what were their own feelings versus picking up on whoever was closest to her or had the most intense emotions in her range? I would think that such a person would be eager to find someone worthy to bond with so as to give them some sort of psycho-social grounding.

And yes I do agree the episode was a good one to give the audience a glimpse of the real Picard. Other than his conversation with Dr. Crusher in that episode, no one else among the crew likely had any idea of what was going through Picard's head at that time.
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