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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 23 2008, 10:32 AM (158 Views) | |
| ImpulseEngine | Jan 23 2008, 10:32 AM Post #1 |
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Does anyone have anything else on their ballots besides the Presidential candidates that's interesting? We have an ammendment that our governor wants to pass which will decrease property taxes. I'm really concerned about this one because the counties, police and fire departments, and schools are all saying it will impact their funding and will decrease services. Meanwhile, half of the average "Joe's" that are clueless about what's going on in the world simply hear "lower taxes" and will probably vote for it. What gets me is this state has no income tax as it is. Revenues are already far short of what's needed and services are already suffering (gee, why are Florida schools ranked near the bottom anyway... :chin:). And, if this whole thing isn't enough, Giuliani is down here campaigning to reduce taxes. What taxes..?!
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| 24thcenstfan | Jan 23 2008, 11:59 AM Post #2 |
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There are no additional measures on our ballots. Exactly how is the voting for your Primary going to be set up in Florida? I find that strange that an additional measure would be placed on the ballot since these are technically individual party Primaries designed to encourage voting for particular candidates. I mean, what if a person doesn’t want to vote for a candidate, but does want to vote for the measure? Separate ballots? Or just a “I choose not to participate in this section” of the ballot? We have state income taxes here in SC. However, we are still ranked pretty low on the national education list as well. Education (as well as other local services) is still very heavily influenced on the county level though. Being directly proportional to how wealthy a particular area is. The area I went to grade school had the benefit of having a Nuclear Power Plant located within its county borders. As a result, most of the schools in the county were provided much more than bordering counties. SC voted in a state lottery a while back to bring in additional revenue for education. Specifically naming it, The South Carolina Education Lottery. Here is a breakdown of where the funds are supposedly going... LINK |
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| ImpulseEngine | Jan 24 2008, 12:28 AM Post #3 |
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It's interesting that you brought that up because, more than likely, a lot of people who don't want to vote for a primary candidate won't bother to vote at all. The reason that is interesting is because of all the controversy about Florida moving it's primary date and the DNC threatening to strip us of delegates like they did with Michigan. If they do that, it could cause a disproportionate number of Democrats not to vote at all and, since Republicans generally love tax cuts, the ammendment would likely pass. Aside: I can't tell you how p/o'd I am at the DNC regarding this. The Florida Legislature is controlled by Republicans and the state Democrats really couldn't do anything to stop the date from being moved. So why would the DNC want to punish them? It's really stupid! (That means you, Howard Dean!) I even wrote them a letter, but I doubt anyone important read it. Anyway, to answer your question, there are separate ballots for each party. Each has its own Presidential candidates on it plus the same ammendment question in addition. Voters are free to skip either part if they want.
We have a state lottery as well and its original purpose was specifically to fund Education. However, these days, Education is lucky to see even half the money from the lottery. |
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| 24thcenstfan | Jan 24 2008, 03:51 PM Post #4 |
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At least they have options. You guys did away with the chad voting forms didn't you? If I were a Democrat in Florida, I would be p/oed about that too (i.e. the Primary date change controvesy). It sounds like the whole affair amounted to a threat by the DNC. In the end though, it wouldn’t have just hurt Florida… it would have hurt the DNC. They stood (or stand to ) lose members from their strong arming. Also, Democrats might have decided to stick it to the DNC even more when the General election rolls around by giving their votes to Independents or the Republican challenger. That is why I continue to remain an independent (little “i”). I think party affiliation would in the end put me in an even more difficult voting position. |
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| ImpulseEngine | Jan 24 2008, 05:41 PM Post #5 |
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I don't believe there are any chad forms left, but the counties are not standardized throughout the state so I could be wrong. At least my precinct has fill in the dot type ballots.
This morning I heard that both the DNC and RNC are pulling their delegates in Florida because of the primary date controversy. Apparently, it remains to be seen whether they will be reinstated for the national election, but it would be hard to imagine that they wouldn't be for that. I wonder what voter turnout will be like on Tuesday.
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| 24thcenstfan | Jan 24 2008, 05:48 PM Post #6 |
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It sounds like you all have a real controversy on your hands down there. I wonder what the protocol will be if delegates from one or both parties don't attend the Convention for the general election? I mean, will the candidates still be on the ballots in November in your state? Its been so long since I looked at the legal process involved in all of this. This changing of dates for the Primaries is all pretty stupid IMO. It appears to be the parties trying to engage in “one-upmanship” with other states to vie for more attention from the candidates, and try to position themselves in the line of “state importance” for the general election. Florida is already a key state in the general election. They really don’t need to play these games. I'm just waiting to see which state (Party in the state) ends up being the first to start having their primary in November or December (the year before the general election).
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| ImpulseEngine | Jan 25 2008, 09:50 AM Post #7 |
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I heard one thing wrong yesterday. The RNC is only pulling half of their delegates. The DNC is pulling all. Leave it to Florida to do things half-a**ed! ![]() I also heard that our Senator Bill Nelson has filed a suit against the DNC over this, but I'm not sure how that works exactly or what could really come of it. Regardless, I'm sure it will be too late for this primary. I wouldn't be surprised if you're right about some state moving their primary back to November or December some day.
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| ImpulseEngine | Jan 30 2008, 11:04 AM Post #8 |
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Well this stupid ammendment passed last night 65% to 35%.
It really irritates me that so many people can't think past their personal wallets. What's even more annoying is that there were doubtless a lot of people who didn't even know ABOUT the ammendment until they walked in to vote. Then they probably read the little summary and thought "tax cut, sure why not..?"
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| 24thcenstfan | Jan 30 2008, 08:16 PM Post #9 |
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^^ Sadly, that's how I suspect people cast their votes for candidates too. "Hmmm... I saw his name on a sign somewhere. Nice name. I think I'll vote for him." |
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| ImpulseEngine | Jan 31 2008, 01:35 PM Post #10 |
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I'm sure you're right. That's largely why it's so important for candidates just to get their name out there. Sad indeed. |
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It really irritates me that so many people can't think past their personal wallets. What's even more annoying is that there were doubtless a lot of people who didn't even know ABOUT the ammendment until they walked in to vote. Then they probably read the little summary and thought "tax cut, sure why not..?"
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