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Do you believe in omens?; Good or bad
Topic Started: Aug 27 2007, 10:38 AM (667 Views)
24thcenstfan
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IE's comments about wierd things happening in twos reminded me of something I saw recently on the day my dog died.

I walked out my front door to take my dog to the vet that morning and there was a huge black crow flying around from tree to tree and cawing.

For those who aren't aware, the crow has long been considered (by some) a symbol of grief, misfortune and/or death.

I'm only mildly supersticious, but I took that as a bad omen.
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Wow. That sure sounds like it could have been one.

I think omens are possible. In fact, I've often wondered if there is some sign or message in all those two's that I experience.

I'm also somewhat of a walking contradiction. I don't believe in any God and, in general, find it difficult to believe in anything supernatural. Yet, I do believe that everything is interconnected somehow and that there are at least some people who can see into the future in some capacity (albeit there are also all too many people who claim this and are full of it). I probably wouldn't believe in this either except that I have had at least 2 distinct experiences of dreaming something before it happened to me. (I say "at least" because I remember very few dreams.) These were not merely coincidence because the details between dream and reality were identical and, in both instances, I knew exactly what would happen next in the middle of it all happening and before "next" actually occurred.

So, if it is possible for the future to be foreseen by someone or something, then that would also make omens possible.
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Aug 27 2007, 12:33 PM
Yet, I do believe that everything is interconnected somehow and that there are at least some people who can see into the future in some capacity (albeit there are also all too many people who claim this and are full of it). I probably wouldn't believe in this either except that I have had at least 2 distinct experiences of dreaming something before it happened to me. (I say "at least" because I remember very few dreams.) These were not merely coincidence because the details between dream and reality were identical and, in both instances, I knew exactly what would happen next in the middle of it all happening and before "next" actually occurred.

So, if it is possible for the future to be foreseen by someone or something, then that would also make omens possible.

So you believe that there are genuine psychics out there? Or are you basing your comments on your more personal dream experiences only?

I too have had a dream or two over the years that were almost a forewarning.

I'm beginning to think most people have this ability in different degrees.


Interconnectedness is something I believe exists in nature as well. It would (could) certainly explain in part why the crow appeared that morning.

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I could never think of a crow as an omen. Simply because I see them almost everyday, and nothing bad is happening to me.

I believe there to be pretty convincing coincidences, but omens, not really.

I could be convinced otherwise though, but like IE, I don't believe in any gods, so I am more inclined to seek evidence before believing anything.

I'm also so unsuperstitious, that even some of my friends who claim to also be unsuperstitious think I should be just a little bit. I think it's the skeptic in me... :lol:
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24thcenstfan
Aug 27 2007, 05:24 PM
ImpulseEngine
Aug 27 2007, 12:33 PM
Yet, I do believe that everything is interconnected somehow and that there are at least some people who can see into the future in some capacity (albeit there are also all too many people who claim this and are full of it).  I probably wouldn't believe in this either except that I have had at least 2 distinct experiences of dreaming something before it happened to me.  (I say "at least" because I remember very few dreams.)  These were not merely coincidence because the details between dream and reality were identical and, in both instances, I knew exactly what would happen next in the middle of it all happening and before "next" actually occurred.

So, if it is possible for the future to be foreseen by someone or something, then that would also make omens possible.

So you believe that there are genuine psychics out there? Or are you basing your comments on your more personal dream experiences only?

I too have had a dream or two over the years that were almost a forewarning.

I'm beginning to think most people have this ability in different degrees.


Interconnectedness is something I believe exists in nature as well. It would (could) certainly explain in part why the crow appeared that morning.

I'm not sure. I believe there may be some genuine psychics out there, but it may also be that no one has any control over this ability. I do believe that the ability is there in some form in at least some people whether they can control it or not. I suppose I mostly believe this because I don't have any alternative explanation for what happened with me and my dreams.

I tend to agree with you that most people probably have this ability in different degrees. There may be certain behaviors or habits that are responsible for tapping into the ability and/or developing it. That may be why some people become aware of it and/or have some related experience like those dreams while others don't.
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Omens, much like anything metaphysical or spiritual, are frequently a matter of interpretation. Some people take them very seriously, while others dismiss them. I guess I try to take them with a grain of salt.

Here's a spooky one for you ... I'm a big Titanic buff, and of course we all know what a famous and terrible disaster that was. Well, much has been made of the fact that the Titanic's library carried on it a fictional book entitled "Futility" by Morgan Roberston. It told the story of an enormous luxury steamer named the Titan that struck an iceberg in the North Atlantic and sank, killing 2987 people. Sound familiar? "Futility" was written in 1898, and the actual Titanic sank in 1912.

http://historyonthenet.com/Titanic/futility.htm

An omen? Some would say so, while others insist it's just a bizarre coincidence. How does one ever tell for sure?

Usually I don't look for external omens to guide my life, but I do trust my internal instincts and "gut feelings." They usually steer me in the right direction. Would a "gut instinct" qualify as a premonition? I suppose that's a matter of interpretation.
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^^

That is interesting (re: the book). For some reason I want to say coincidence, but if I were more intimately involved (lost a family member for example) I might be more inclined to read more into it (see it from a different perspective).
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