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| Graphics; Primarily Requests, but other forums too | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 4 2006, 04:54 PM (184 Views) | |
| Tachyon | Mar 4 2006, 04:54 PM Post #1 |
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They're part of that community category as well, so I think they should at least get a topic. ![]() What do you guys think works well in those forums? What's not working? How can we fix the parts that aren't working? I'm primarily referring to graphics requests, which has always had its problems, but this is also aimed at the other graphics forums. They're sort of like a little bubble in that I ignore them.
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| Das | Mar 5 2006, 08:48 PM Post #2 |
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Well I can't comment on requests because I haven't done them since I deleted my windows partion and decided I was too lazy to set up GIMP :r. Though I often lurk around Graphics Talk & Display and there are a few problems there. 1. People are too hard on others. For example: http://support.invisionfree.com/index.php?showtopic=233296 Look at 'archerygod99's post (4th down). 2. People advertising other graphics boards. Too many times have I seen 'It's good but people at XYZ graphics are better', 'You might wanna' go to ABC for some good tutorials', or 'Great show it off at DEF'. Now they don't post links, but it's not to hard to figure out URL's. I think the solution to both problems is just to get moderators in there more. I can't remember the last moderator post in that forum. Obviously you don't all like graphics, but I'm sure one or two of you could post a bit more, to show that mod do 'lurk' the area. |
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| Yodaminch | Mar 6 2006, 02:09 AM Post #3 |
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Graphics are where Luna, Jay and others lurk. I stay away from that area unless pmed. |
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| Das | Mar 6 2006, 03:57 AM Post #4 |
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I think that's part of the problem. You staffers, are saying other people are in there so I don't need to be. That'd be ok if other people were in there. I reitterate I haven't seen a mod post in Graphics Talk & Display in quite some time. |
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| Goku20043 | Mar 6 2006, 01:01 PM Post #5 |
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I've seen many mods there, they don't usually post full messages but they edit posts every once in a while. I think the problem is that people think criticize=insult. So they give it a low rating and don't say what to improve, which isn't really anyone's gain. But also, people should expect low ratings, and shouldn't be too sensitive to them. As for advertising, I've only seen people giving out tut sites, which I'm pretty sure is allowed, since I don't think it's promoting. |
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| Jappyx | Mar 7 2006, 08:24 AM Post #6 |
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I really like that area, but I agree with a few of the above points. People are mean when evaluating people's artwork. If they just say it's bad, without mentioning what could fix it - then they don't really need to post at all. C&C I think is what's needed more. People can Criticize, but can't always give Constructive Criticism - which is where the problem starts. And it would be better if people could state there opinion in a more kind way.. Such as: "That's horrible! You should change ...." could be "Nice try, but maybe try ...". It's a nicer way to say it, and it would make the artist feel a lot better - yet at the same time it gives the same message. ![]() As for moderators in the graphics forums, I see them there; editing others posts, moderating as usual.. But as mentioned, not everyone enjoys graphics, so that's the hard part. It's exactly the same as not everyone likes coding. We're people - we don't want to look at what we don't like. But as moderators, I guess that's your job, to keep the area's that are not support neat and tidy. So I think it's working well.. Just maybe a little more active over there?
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| Christina T | Mar 7 2006, 07:47 PM Post #7 |
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I try to go to Digital Web and Design when I'm in the moderating mood, and recently I've not been in that mood too much during the weekdays (too busy). I go to Graphics Request probably at least once every 2 days during the weekdays, but Graphics Talk I've been recently neglecting and only seem to moderate it once a week, maybe less, and usually only on the weekend. I use to do it quite a lot, and would comment constructively on people's work, but that's just been toned down greatly, even more since early February. I guess I could blame time. And if I decided to focus more on Graphics Talk, I would be holding back on my usual places. You're right, we're not all interested in Graphics, and that's probably the main issue. If we could somehow just encourage ourselves to help out in that area more. We all have our little 'zones' on the forum, but I think we still need to do something with the neglected forums. I don't think there is a moderator that is solely dedicated to Graphics more than any other forum. I go to graphics, but I prefer moderating Skinning Support, Coding Support and Commy Chat also, so I'm not focussing my attention on graphics. That's what we kind of need, someone to focus there, or at least more people [than we already have] focussing part of their attention there. |
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| Goku20043 | Mar 7 2006, 11:42 PM Post #8 |
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I haven't been to digital web design much, but I'm usually around requests and Graphics Discussion. Request has always had problems, as usual only new people starting boards who don't read the rules post there. I think it would help to maybe put the way the request is supposed to look (text:, images:, animation:, etc.) and put that as topic description under request guidelines. I don't think there have been many problems in Graphics Discussion, there used to be adveritsing but it's pretty much stopped. |
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| Jappyx | Mar 8 2006, 09:59 AM Post #9 |
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Do any of the moderators prefer grahpics more than anything? Because maybe making them focus on that area, rather than another section is a good idea? |
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| Goku20043 | Mar 9 2006, 02:49 AM Post #10 |
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If I was a moderator I would check Graphics solefully lol *dreams* .
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| Das | Mar 9 2006, 03:39 AM Post #11 |
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Pfft quality over quantity. There don't need to be more mods, just better ones :P. *Das hides. But on a more serious note: I'd like to see mods post after editing things. Editing doesn't really show anyone was there if you're not looking, or going fast, whereas a post is a little harder to miss. |
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| Goku20043 | Mar 9 2006, 12:50 PM Post #12 |
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Why edit it? Why not just delete the post on the spot, and send them an email or PM? |
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| Yodaminch | Mar 9 2006, 08:26 PM Post #13 |
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because we never delete and split takes too long. |
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| Goku20043 | Mar 9 2006, 08:35 PM Post #14 |
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But what is the reason you don't delete. Sorry I just see no point. |
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| Drangonsile | Mar 9 2006, 09:11 PM Post #15 |
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I've seen one thread that was spamed to death (two people) which the spam was deleted from. |
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| Das | Mar 9 2006, 11:46 PM Post #16 |
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There are so many reasons I can see. 1. What if they accidently delete the wrong thing 2. What if someone say their post contained something different 3. What if the mod just misinterpreted the post Et cetera ...
They probably split out the bad posts, and put them in the trash. It's a good method, just very time consuming. |
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| Goku20043 | Mar 10 2006, 12:54 AM Post #17 |
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And why don't those reasons apply to editing the post? What if they edit the wrong post, or misenterpret it. Either way it's gone, but by deleting there is less forum space taken up. |
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| Yodaminch | Mar 10 2006, 01:37 AM Post #18 |
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brandon's request. Best to have a record of everything. |
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| Goku20043 | Mar 10 2006, 02:39 AM Post #19 |
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Now that's a reason .
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| Jappyx | Mar 10 2006, 06:15 AM Post #20 |
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I like to keep a record of everything too.. It makes it a lot easier to revive something if it needs it - which I guess applies to IF too. ![]() Anyway, The thing about graphic requests is that it is more for a specific discussions, and (as mentioned) not everyone likes talking about things we dislike. I think it's unfair to "assign" moderators to an area that they will not enjoy looking after. It's like giving someone a child that is not theirs and making them look after it forever. (okay, maybe not, but you get what I mean )
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| OcelotJay | Mar 14 2006, 01:25 AM Post #21 |
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I usually PM. A post is not always necessary when dealing with an individual unless (in my case) it is worthy to act as a warning to others. For the more basic of rules, I see this as not being necessary unless it is happening repeatedly. The important part is that the user in question sees it, and even then a post or PM is not a guaranteed cert but both can help, the latter more so.
Sometimes we delete. Only with posts that are 100% spam and lodged in the middle of a topic, being utterly ignored. Even then I'll only do if the moon is full. It is indeed custom not to delete but sometimes we split things (which can look like deletion) or just delete, though deletion is only done with individual posts. It is custom to split multiple ones as if there are multiple posts that require removal then clearly it's a mass rule break, for which evidence is pure gold. Anyway, Graphics. I have to say, in all honesty I've removed myself from that area. I'm not accustomed to abandoning areas I pledge to work on but Graphics Requests was my baby until the point that I found it it was likely to be destroyed, after which my efforts ultimately seemed futile and a complete waste of time and conviction. I know, it's an odd reason to ditch it but I did work on that place more than I have any other so my reasons became personal, as did my involvement with it. Maybe if it's wiped it'll be easier to maintain but I dunno. We tried our hardest to raise the standards because it became a place where it was easy to break the rules and be a jerk without getting told off, and I'd like to think we managed something, but much like support it's a big area and difficult to maintain after so much neglect. I'd be willing to go back, and find it easier to work on it, if I knew it was going to stay but it seems a waste of time (for myself, requesters and designers) to even bother with it if it'll be gone soon. One of the major issues we had was, as has been raised, the arrogance that leads to mistreating others. I tried to spearhead a campaign aganst it, bringing in new guidelines about behaviour and whatnot but it didn't work well against the older bunch (Xile springs to mind). It did seem to work on others though, which was nice. But I do think that if that forum is going to remain we do need to work on attitudes. Perhaps a new layout for guidelines that include conduct, clearly outlining what is not acceptable and what will happen as a result. I think one of the reasons it occurs, other than a lack of discipline in the past, is the fact that designers see themselves as being worth something and thus cannot be touched. This would explain why many I've dealt with react as if scorned. That needs to change. Big time. And I agree with the criticism too. It's almost common to simply insult people without helping. I see it on many other forums too, which is awful. =/ |
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| Drangonsile | Mar 14 2006, 03:24 AM Post #22 |
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I'm sure a few suspensions can bring the people under control. ![]() I think the problem is the staff (you included) didn't try for long enough, to make sure it is good. Hand out some suspensions, many warnings, maybe even restrict them from the forum for awhile. You can get anyone to change (or remove them from the field of trouble). I agree about the guidelines (maybe make them noticable, as I have never read them ^_^) Please don't wipe off Talk & display please, I got a number 5 google image search for "iCoke" because of an old topic. |
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| Jappyx | Mar 14 2006, 07:02 AM Post #23 |
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Yes, becoming more strict makes sense to me.
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| Tachyon | Mar 15 2006, 04:25 AM Post #24 |
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That's effective on an individual basis, but the problem I think is that too many people who go into the graphics forum aren't obeying the rules, which leads to an unnecessary stress on moderators. It's a similar situation in support. For every single support volunteer one shoots down, another two will pop up in its place. It's dealing with the individual that's difficult; it is simply the sheer number of people who don't seem to obey the rules for one reason or another. Maintaining strict enforcement is a good policy; I'm not discounting it. But maybe we can also figure out ways, just like in community chat, of actually modifying the format of things to make it easier on moderators and members alike. |
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| Jappyx | Mar 15 2006, 09:18 AM Post #25 |
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I know there are a few Multi-Mods set up for those forums. Does anyone have any ideas on any that would improve the forum (along with the others set up)? They are good tools. Umm.. Rules seem pretty straight forward to me. It's just the fact that people don't read them. That's the main issue. It's the fact that there is no real way we could "force" members into reading rules, before taking part in the forum. Pinned topics are simple, and usually work well. Just some people need to take more notice of them. You'd think, as all of us at IF Support (well 95% at least) own boards, that we'd all look at pinned topics, because we know how much they help our own board.
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