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| Community Chat Post Count; Your opinions? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 8 2006, 08:24 PM (261 Views) | |
| Pete | Feb 8 2006, 08:24 PM Post #1 |
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I just wanted to know what everyone's opinions are on this. Ever since the post count started rising in Community Chat, people have been spamming like nobodies business. Like those "Coke or Pepsi" polls where people vote then simply reply to the topic with "Coke" or "Pepsi" or "NEITHER LOLZ" to raise their post count. Or those "FF vs. IE" topics that are more popular than Johnny Depp, even though it's been proven time and time again that IF is FF-biased. We rarely have a good quality topic in Community Chat now. Maybe if the post count went back to not rising then it would remove the incentive to spam. ALTHOUGH: There are 2 sides to the coin here. If members can't raise their post count in Community Chat, they will look elsewhere. General Support, for example. Which will cause an uprise in Support Volunteers, a.k.a members who want a high post count. And of course there will be another uprise in IF Discussion & Chat about "OMGZ HOO IS UR FAV FORUM HOST!111!111eleventyhundredandone". |
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| Drangonsile | Feb 8 2006, 09:18 PM Post #2 |
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The way to prevent this without removing the rising count, would be to make a pinned poll for the most popular where posting was not allowed (just votes), that way people won't make as many obvious polls. |
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| Aaron | Feb 8 2006, 09:26 PM Post #3 |
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Keep post count in Community Chat. Other wise I would seem less active them I am and I want to keep teh stalkers off my back ![]() But really it got rid of the some what annoying "Why is my post count is 0" topics and it does not seem more spammy then before it seems less spammy now then before, IMHO. |
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| Potter | Feb 8 2006, 10:23 PM Post #4 |
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zomai! We never want this if it can be stopped. I vote to continue CC post count. |
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| dlf | Feb 8 2006, 11:45 PM Post #5 |
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What about an option (i'll probably request this when the FR forum is back) for the admin to choose weather posts increase for the group (or member) or not. If so, (or not), choose "what" posts do, not like mod approving. Like if they make a post [or topic] about "what is the best browser" the forum won't increae the post count. etc. |
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| Aaron | Feb 9 2006, 12:17 AM Post #6 |
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Olny thing is that will add to the staff's work load if we need to pick the posts that increase post count. |
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| zorg222 | Feb 9 2006, 12:23 AM Post #7 |
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Post count means nothing, so, I really have no preference either way, but if it would help cut down spam if the post count were to be turned off again, then why not? As you brought up though, InvisionFree Discussion and other forums will suffer from that post count cutoff. Ya know what the best possible think I can think of is? Turn post count off completely. That would be a feature I would request. Make post count invisible, so there are no issues of this nature at all. In IF's current state, however, I think perhaps the one-word answer threads fit best in Ratings and Games...keep them in there (and don't hesitate to use the move option when topics like that stray away from the ratings and games forum) and perhaps the particular users who care about post count will learn they'll have to earn it. (Hopefully.) |
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| OcelotJay | Feb 9 2006, 12:27 AM Post #8 |
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Why bother removing it? The whole point of post count is that it counts all the posts you've made. Removing it defeats it's purpose, thus making it seem like it's something more than it really is. Besides, there's still the problem of spam in support and the other boards, not to mention bad support, etc. Disabling it seems unnecessary, though I am in favour of it being removed so that it's only visible in profiles to help eliminate the competition that can arise (as profiles aren't checked often compared to how many people see what's under your avatar 'n' schtuff). The incentive to spam shall never die. Removing post count is a flawed way of trying to rid of it. I'd doubt it'd even decrease it. Many aren't spamming solely for post count anymore, some are doing it for the love of spam, others because they don't realise it's spam. As far as trying to decrease spam, I can't see this as being a valid method whatsoever. =/ Besides: it's better that the spam resides within community chat than in support and start plugging up our primary objective and purpose. Due to the number of topics per day in support, spam topics would be extremely difficult to control whereas the community area can be monitored in a more efficient fashion.
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| Aaron | Feb 9 2006, 12:28 AM Post #9 |
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Sighs Beleave it or not there is an imporence in post count....for staff at lease..... I am againts turning it off what so ever it helps staff find the spamers and also if some one made a spam topic it gives us an idea if we should check to see if there are other posts/topics by this persion we should check :shifty: |
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| Yodaminch | Feb 9 2006, 12:29 AM Post #10 |
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To those staff who are reading. I won't say I told you so, but... Yeah I knew this would happen. I personally am one of those staff who want it off in cc and support. |
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| zorg222 | Feb 9 2006, 12:30 AM Post #11 |
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How about let the staff view it but turn it off for member viewing? |
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| dlf | Feb 9 2006, 12:50 AM Post #12 |
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Aaron. it's not like mod approval. They can post what ever they want but if the forum detects like "oh this member is posting about browser x. he shouldn't get a post increase". But if they post something about, say, plots holes in a show (any) then they will get a increase. |
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| Christina T | Feb 9 2006, 01:14 AM Post #13 |
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I think the intial idea behind allowing post count in commy chat was a good idea. Maybe it has turned ugly, but maybe not. The older members who were there when cc didn't raise post count — some didn't even realize it was changed so they probably assumed anything they posted was not adding to their count at some point, which is partially good because it potentially kept some spammy posts out. On the other hand, doesn't no post count raise cause for some members to put no care into cc posts because after all it 'doesn't matter in quantity'? I know they would have horrible logic to be so abosorbed with post count, but I think I could argue that cc was a little wilder before post count was added. I think though, this has changed greatly with the addition of more mature topics (debates, etc.). Before we didn't really allow it, but currently we do. I think it was around the time that we switched post count options, that we allowed mature topics as well, wasn't it? ![]() Around this period, I think it sparked change, so whether it was the post count that did it or the mature topics, I don't know. I personally find cc a little more enjoyable now, with less dry and repetitive topics. I don't think there is as much spam as there once was, but I know it's not completely gone and that's something we need to work on. I don't think removing post count will solve that problem. I don't think members are more inclined to spam in cc than in any other forum. These new members likely know nothing about there ever being 'no post count raise' in cc, so maybe they don't see that as an opportunity to take advantage of the cc post count change. In all it looks like there are multiple forums to post useless posts in, so they could choose any forum to do it in. And we can see that there is spam in each forum so unless post count is removed everywhere, flicking the post count switch to 'off' won't solve that issue. I do use post count for some purposes, but I would be happy with it being non-visible to members. Hmm, posts like these, are....unfortunate. |
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| Locke | Feb 9 2006, 02:08 AM Post #14 |
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I have to completely agree with Christina T's final paragraph. If there are problems, then it'll just have to be dealt with on a case-to-case basis. Otherwise, unless a board-wide change is made, at this point it will just cause problems within the community and elsewhere on the board. |
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| Das | Feb 9 2006, 02:23 AM Post #15 |
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No one likes Sirin, so he dosn't count ... I'm not sure if I'm kidding or not. I like postcount++ in CC. It really shows how active you are. Before some members only had a post count of a 100, and people though they were n00bs, when really they were quite experienced, and just only posted in CC. |
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| Potter | Feb 9 2006, 02:27 AM Post #16 |
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How rude!
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| Drangonsile | Feb 9 2006, 03:09 AM Post #17 |
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That would be me, it took me a week to realize it.
I think things that have quizzes need to be reclassified to another forum (R&G). In fact that is an idea I should post into the subforum topic. Personaly it doesn't seem that big of a deal, you'll get spam either way (get a few more mods to look just for spam) |
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| Jappyx | Feb 9 2006, 06:17 AM Post #18 |
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I don't care about post count. I do not think it proves anything, nor does it mean anything in a community like this.
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| zorg222 | Feb 9 2006, 11:42 PM Post #19 |
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The only problem is, there are others who care about post count. (For illogical reasons, because there are no good reasons to want to have a high post count.) These users try to constantly up their post count by posting as much as they can in a given time period. (Which is what produces spam and dumb posts.) |
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| Jappyx | Feb 10 2006, 05:56 AM Post #20 |
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Yeah.. I know. ![]() I never noticed post count goes up in community chat.. Until it was mentioned here. Users just need to rememberr Quality over Quantity. |
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| Dennis | Feb 10 2006, 07:49 PM Post #21 |
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:lol: p00r Sirin. I voted to keep it. I really don't see that much of a difference in spam, from back when it didnh't count, tbh. I don't think that disabling it would be bad, persay, I just think that it's better with it intact. |
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| Jory | Feb 11 2006, 04:29 PM Post #22 |
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I voted for not raising postcount in CC. Its partially because it might lessen spam there (tho it would probally just move) and also because, in my opinion, your postcount should reflect the number of posts you made that are relevant to what the board is about. But if possible, I think postcount should just not be shown in topic view. As stated by somebody else, people don't look at other peoples profiles as much as they look at topics. And it would probally lessen any forms of disrespect to new members (As you wouldn't be able to see that they are new quite as fast.) If its removed in CC, but not made invisible, one thing you could do to avoid spam in the support section is give members the abiltiy to close there own topics there (so they can close it when they have been helped.). Now, you sometimes see people post even after the topic started says he/she has been helped. If they can (and do) close there own topic at that point, that problem should be solved. |
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| OcelotJay | Feb 12 2006, 12:36 AM Post #23 |
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People being able to close their own support topics is something we've discussed, and I think many of us, if not most, were also in favour of it. I agree with allowing that. But to the point of relevant posts, not all posts made in support are at all relevant. In fact many are far from it and because we can't do selective post count, as in a system that somehow determines if a post is relevant or not, Post Count would still raise even for those who post the wrong stuff, or spam. :/ I am in favour of removing it from post view though. If it's shown in profiles, I do think it should be left active in all forums in order for it to be used properly. For me, it should either stay on in all forums or be totally deactivated and removed. Allowing it for only certain forums can glorify it, unless it became 'Support Post Count' or something. |
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| dlf | Feb 12 2006, 02:37 AM Post #24 |
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Idea for that, I can just come up withs ome very very quickly like I just did, anyway. What if the topic creator in forum x could say (mark, or something) a post weather it was helpful or not, if not the posters post count goes down one, if he helped the topic creator he gets to keep the "added_post_count", (or it could stay the same, if it didn't help it stays the same, if it was helpful the count goes up). This could be on a forum by bais. I'll probably request this after the request forum is back. Amzing I can think of somethings like this from just reading something like Jay's post above. |
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| OcelotJay | Feb 12 2006, 11:30 PM Post #25 |
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Interesting system that coincides with something else we've discussed, but ultimately flawed: Users who are new tend to not even take time to read our rules or the documentations where they'll find the answer to many common questions. One cannot help but speculate that such people will not take the time to go through responses and select the ones that helped the most. I'd bet many wouldn't even notice the system, unless it was shoved in their face. And then there's the issue of accidentally giving a post count to an incorrect answer because it's the only response, and since the user doesn't know any better, they mark it correct and then realise they made a mistake when someone gives the proper answer. There have been some great and interesting solutions suggested but personally they're overcomplicating such a simple issue. Either have it active in all forums and don't promote it to be anything more than a number, or deactivate it entirely. Simple. |
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| Goku20043 | Feb 16 2006, 02:41 AM Post #26 |
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I think we should keep post count in CC. Pretty much because I think the message should be trying to tell new people, or even people who have stayed longer, that post count doesn't matter. I like the fact that it's there, but only to see who is more experienced and can probably help me more. Posting in community chat for extra posts seems to be the way for people to not look new, and therefore feel more comfortable. By removing post count even more people will start thinking of it as a race. I think removing would help the current members, but not so much the new members. |
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Due to the number of topics per day in support, spam topics would be extremely difficult to control whereas the community area can be monitored in a more efficient fashion.

2:14 PM Jul 11