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n00b bashing
Topic Started: Feb 5 2006, 12:23 AM (542 Views)
Yodaminch
Administrator
I'd be lieing if I said I could see it all. I can't. we miss a lot. And I'm hesistant to punish someone for a jab. Can you guys give some example of this and start kicking around how we can work at removing this.
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Sani
First Grade
Ask members to report the posts?
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Yodaminch
Administrator
and then we get the well this member bashed me arguements. i would love report this post to return. hopefully in if 2.
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Sani
First Grade
It should, It has to. Im not sure how it works, but it has to have the offensive post in the message, or else the violator would edit it and no one would know
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Das
Second Grade
Yodaminch
Feb 5 2006, 12:23 AM
And I'm hesistant to punish someone for a jab.

There's joking around and there is hurtful. I know this method takes alot of time, but a good thing to do would be ask the 'jabbed' if it was hurtful or not. If it was then warn the person. If the 'jabber' does it multipul times then postdisable for a while.
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Yodaminch
Administrator
Sani
Feb 4 2006, 08:47 PM
It should, It has to. Im not sure how it works, but it has to have the offensive post in the message, or else the violator would edit it and no one would know

it does. the problem was hope ipb had it set up i think. email. i think if2 is designed for in board access. i hope.

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Sani
First Grade
And, maybe assign a group of sorts? Just an informal one, where the group members can look out for n00b bashers and help them report?
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Yodaminch
Administrator
Sani
Feb 4 2006, 11:54 PM
And, maybe assign a group of sorts? Just an informal one, where the group members can look out for n00b bashers and help them report?

You mean members? ;)
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Sani
First Grade
Yeah, something like that.. As much as I dislike to admit it, I have "helped" report posts which I find offensive, even though it doesnt target me.. :P
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Homestar
First Grade
Sani
Feb 5 2006, 03:54 AM
And, maybe assign a group of sorts? Just an informal one, where the group members can look out for n00b bashers and help them report?

i actually think thats a good idea
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Homestar
First Grade
sorry for the double post but i stuffed up and i couldnt edit.

yeah maybe a group that the new people can complain to first before going to staff and then they can decide wether or not its worth sending to a staff member or if they can sort it out themselves
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Yodaminch
Administrator
Homestar
Feb 5 2006, 12:02 AM
sorry for the double post but i stuffed up and i couldnt edit.

yeah maybe a group that the new people can complain to first before going to staff and then they can decide wether or not its worth sending to a staff member or if they can sort it out themselves

Can't edit. you should be able to.

Anyway, I'm not so sure how the rest would feel on sub members. I'll consider bringing it up if you guys can think of a way to implement it without:

1. Boosting member ego
2. Causing more problems for staff then without
3. Explaining how it would work.

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Sani
First Grade
1. No image thingymabobs? (IF Support, et al)
2. Just able to view one staff forum, a complainants forum.
3. Rules: PM a community snitch™, if you feel that you have been attacked by a forum member. Or something like that.
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Das
Second Grade
Homestar
Feb 5 2006, 04:02 AM
yeah maybe a group that the new people can complain to first before going to staff and then they can decide wether or not its worth sending to a staff member or if they can sort it out themselves

You mean another staff-like group? That's kinda pointless for one little thing.
Though I like the idea of not having members feel intemidated by the big scary purples at first sight ... maybe there can be a few members you have no mod powers, but pass on PM's like that to the Purples, who take care of the problem.
that way the don't have to fear the Purple's pm button, but can still get to them?

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Yodaminch
Administrator
community snitch eh. sounds like a nice title. and who would want to volunteer themselves for a more thankless job then staff with even less perks.
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Das
Second Grade
Yodaminch
Feb 5 2006, 04:12 AM
community snitch eh. sounds like a nice title. and who would want to volunteer themselves for a more thankless job then staff with even less perks.

Oh idea on that note. How about people that are gonna' become staff become the snitch first?
Kinda' like a trial phase.
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Yodaminch
Administrator
Das
Feb 5 2006, 12:13 AM
Yodaminch
Feb 5 2006, 04:12 AM
community snitch eh. sounds like a nice title. and who would want to volunteer themselves for a more thankless job then staff with even less perks.

Oh idea on that note. How about people that are gonna' become staff become the snitch first?
Kinda' like a trial phase.

-_-
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Sani
First Grade
An addition to my post above, maybe mod powers, and nothing else. And they are not allowed to use their powers as freely as the other staff?
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Homestar
First Grade
Das
Feb 5 2006, 04:12 AM
Homestar
Feb 5 2006, 04:02 AM
yeah maybe a group that the new people can complain to first before going to staff and then they can decide wether or not its worth sending to a staff member or if they can sort it out themselves

You mean another staff-like group? That's kinda pointless for one little thing.
Though I like the idea of not having members feel intemidated by the big scary purples at first sight ... maybe there can be a few members you have no mod powers, but pass on PM's like that to the Purples, who take care of the problem.
that way the don't have to fear the Purple's pm button, but can still get to them?

thats what i meant you dont have any mod powers basically you just have a new member group and thats it. just so people know to pm you. and then if you can sort something out with the people involved do so or if it is serious send it to a staffer
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Das
Second Grade
Sani
Feb 5 2006, 04:17 AM
An addition to my post above, maybe mod powers, and nothing else. And they are not allowed to use their powers as freely as the other staff?

Ha! Finally I can say something right to that:

Giving mod powers to these people would be a bad idea. What's the difference then between them and a purple?
Maybe a color. There still just as intimadating.
I guess if they where black too it might come close to working, but if the group starting using there modness(tm) and the new user saw it would defeat the whole purpose.
And what is the point of mod powers if they cann't use them?
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Sani
First Grade
Das
Feb 5 2006, 04:22 AM
Sani
Feb 5 2006, 04:17 AM
An addition to my post above, maybe mod powers, and nothing else. And they are not allowed to use their powers as freely as the other staff?

Ha! Finally I can say something right to that:

Giving mod powers to these people would be a bad idea. What's the difference then between them and a purple?
Maybe a color. There still just as intimadating.
I guess if they where black too it might come close to working, but if the group starting using there modness(tm) and the new user saw it would defeat the whole purpose.
And what is the point of mod powers if they cann't use them?

Kapwnt. -_-

Bad idea, I know..
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Yodaminch
Administrator
Das
Feb 5 2006, 12:22 AM
Sani
Feb 5 2006, 04:17 AM
An addition to my post above, maybe mod powers, and nothing else. And they are not allowed to use their powers as freely as the other staff?

Ha! Finally I can say something right to that:

Giving mod powers to these people would be a bad idea. What's the difference then between them and a purple?
Maybe a color. There still just as intimadating.
I guess if they where black too it might come close to working, but if the group starting using there modness(tm) and the new user saw it would defeat the whole purpose.
And what is the point of mod powers if they cann't use them?

:o

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Homestar
First Grade
Yodaminch
Feb 5 2006, 04:04 AM
Homestar
Feb 5 2006, 12:02 AM
sorry for the double post but i stuffed up and i couldnt edit.

yeah maybe a group that the new people can complain to first before going to staff and then they can decide wether or not its worth sending to a staff member or if they can sort it out themselves

Can't edit. you should be able to.

Anyway, I'm not so sure how the rest would feel on sub members. I'll consider bringing it up if you guys can think of a way to implement it without:

1. Boosting member ego
2. Causing more problems for staff then without
3. Explaining how it would work.

solving these problems


1. Boosting member ego = they have no mod acess so there would be no need for that

2. Causing more problems for staff then without = I think it would cause less for staff because they would be getting less PMs about things that can be solved by other people

3. Explaining how it would work. Basically like i said before the "noobs" just pm these people with their problems and if they can sort it out then so be it. If the snitchs think it worth sending to a staffer then they do it
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Sani
First Grade
In regards to Das's post above, what if, you rally have to use it?

example: a mod is not around, and flaming is happening all over the place, and you are the only one with mod powers(albeit hidden ones..:P) Timezones are a sucky thing..
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dlf
Second Grade
Yes and you can thank Benjamin (ben) Franklin (1707-1791) for that. Anyway yes, the above is a good example I do sometimes see BSM, flaming, off-topic, etc and not a mod on IM (I won't give them out) and nor is someone on (so I can't really PM someone).
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FusedFox
Member Avatar
First Grade
I think that if we created a new Snitch Squad, then they should look just like a normal member except in a different group, kinda like being semi-staff, maybe have a forum to discuss troublemakers of the Community forums. And maybe newbies could contact this group with questions or concerns when they first start out. I know that whenever i join a new forum, the actual staff are quite intimidating and I'm afraid to contact them personally verses someone without a fancy title/color/image.
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dlf
Second Grade
*dlf wonders what the real staff (seth, brandon, Mez, etc) would think.
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Jappyx
Second Grade
FusedFox
Feb 5 2006, 04:55 AM
I think that if we created a new Snitch Squad, then they should look just like a normal member except in a different group, kinda like being semi-staff, maybe have a forum to discuss troublemakers of the Community forums. And maybe newbies could contact this group with questions or concerns when they first start out. I know that whenever i join a new forum, the actual staff are quite intimidating and I'm afraid to contact them personally verses someone without a fancy title/color/image.

I like that idea. Maybe just an italic name?

Anyway, I think a Snitch user-group is a good idea. I know people who also feel intimidated sometimes when contacting a staff member. :)
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FusedFox
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First Grade
Yodaminch
Feb 4 2006, 11:04 PM
Homestar
Feb 5 2006, 12:02 AM
sorry for the double post but i stuffed up and i couldnt edit.

yeah maybe a group that the new people can complain to first before going to staff and then they can decide wether or not its worth sending to a staff member or if they can sort it out themselves

Can't edit. you should be able to.

Anyway, I'm not so sure how the rest would feel on sub members. I'll consider bringing it up if you guys can think of a way to implement it without:

1. Boosting member ego
2. Causing more problems for staff then without
3. Explaining how it would work.

I wasn't going to reply to this post since several people already have, but I think I might as well repeat a few of their points and clarify a few of my own, so:

1. Boosting member ego
-No mod powers/color/image/title. At most, just a forum for discussing troublemakers and punishments.

2. Causing more problems for staff then without
-This could help bridge the staff-member gap somewhat and help new users as well.

3. Explaining how it would work.
-The way I'm seeing this, the Snitch Squad would spend some time browsing the Community forums (i.e. be an active member/lurker/poster of the Community) and report any rudeness in the forum (or to a staff member assigned to be over them, whichever is favored more, or an alternate way). They could also send welcome PMs to new members, PM rude members with warnings (and report them in the forum so that violations can be kept up with). This will accomplish quite a few issues facing the Community at this time. Also, if we made a Revolving Door forum, then any member that posted an intro topic could be owled by this Squad, making that bookeeping easy.

I'm sure I'm being repetitive here, but I just feel better if I can organize all my thoughts into a single post and answer these questions at the same time, so bare with me and my excessive organizational habits. ^_^
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Das
Second Grade
If I may:
I think we can all agree a 'snitch group' is a good thing. The question is: mod powers or not?

I'm against it. The point of the group is not to be intimadating.
Another mod group with a black name istead of a purple one does nothing. It's just as intimadating.
The point has also been brought up of mods not being on. I think that just means there need to be more mods, and/or mods that are on more frequently.
Also if a mod isn't on just PM one that you think will be on soon. The world isn't gonna' end if a backseat moderator goes unpunished for a few hours.

Oh an Stephan it's a new day so this can be a perfectly good idea ^_^.
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Sani
First Grade
Stephen.. :P

True, but. There was once an incident where someone posted
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PENIS! PENIS! PENIS! PENIS! PENIS! .....
all over the forum, and it was fixed only a few hours* later. All the while, the character (using a Darth Vader Avatar no less) kept on spamming.. No one could stop him..

*Estimated time. Im old, I forget stuff.. :P
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Das
Second Grade
Sani
Feb 5 2006, 07:22 AM
True, but. There was once an incident where someone posted
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PENIS! PENIS! PENIS! PENIS! PENIS! .....
all over the forum, and it was fixed only a few hours* later. All the while, the character (using a Darth Vader Avatar no less) kept on spamming.. No one could stop him..

that's a reason for more mods, and/or better word filters. Not a reason to give these people mod powers.
As I said a mod with a blackname is still a mod.
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FusedFox
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First Grade
I agree with Das. If there is a problem with timing and response, then that's a reason to hire more mods, not create a new group of mods.

In this case, I think mod powers would be a bad idea. They're not necessary to do the job at hand and there's not really an argument for emergency powers or any part of the job that would require mod powers.
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ibh
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Second Grade
I think that the "sub-staff" members should be called something better than "snitches" howabout "comunity liason" or "elite member"?

They also, should have NO mod powers, just the title. And maybe a private forum.
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Das
Second Grade
ibh
Feb 5 2006, 09:56 AM
... "elite member"?

No! Being an elite member inflates egos way too much.
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ibh
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Second Grade
Either elite member of junior moderator.

If people are naive enough to let their egos grow big over a title, don't let them become elite members!
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Jory
First Grade
Both the titles elite member and junior moderator would also be intimidating.
It think the name should point out that they are there mostly to give advise.

I'm also against giving these people moderation powers, except maybe one:
Give them to power to put a post into the Mod Que.
(If thats possible.)

And the report function should come back, but in a better way.
Maybe there should be a Reports forum (that only staff can see) where the information about reports would go.
Or something like the Mod Que.
Tho these are feature requests I guess. :P

Last note:
Stephen, I can't edit my posts eighter. :no:
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Homestar
First Grade
The whole point is for the "snitch" not to be a mod but more of a go between for members and staff i personally dont think there is any need for them to have any mod acess at all. But what we have to remember is these are just ideas brandon might not even want that so we need to try and find other ways to help
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DreamWiva
First Grade
an Invisionfree secret service, i like.
But maybe you should just create a sticky in the community chat saying how members should look out for one another and that if you think someone is being attacked that they should report it.
Having all members take part rather than a single group could mean a more effective solution.
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Yodaminch
Administrator
DreamWiva
Feb 5 2006, 12:14 PM
an Invisionfree secret service, i like.
But maybe you should just create a sticky in the community chat saying how members should look out for one another and that if you think someone is being attacked that they should report it.
Having all members take part rather than a single group could mean a more effective solution.

i did that for bumping. I recieved maybe 5 reports since then.
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