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Bannishtar's Gauntlet
Topic Started: Jul 29 2009, 06:52:47 PM (168 Views)
Bannishtar
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This year we are studying the foolish art of human divination, with a particular emphasis on the fallacies of these methods. Please answer the questions below for house points. Note that some of these can be answered from the books themselves, and some pertain to HIRP.

1.) Explain the fundamental philosophical difference between human divination and centaur divination. (10 points)
Human Divination, often called fortune-telling, is often based on guessing and logical conclusions. That's why it's usually not taken seriously by wizards. Human fortune-tellers also usually predict a future of a single being and foretell the the facts that are not very important.

The 'true' divination practiced by Centaurs, however is much more complex. It requires years of training and very few humans master the skill. Centaurs attempt to predict not a trivial future of one person, but they try to divine important events of the whole wizarding world.


2.) Name three methods of Divination performed by humans. (5 points. Multiple possible answers. You may think out of the book, so to speak, and name methods used in real life divination.)
Cartomancy, Fire Omens, Palmistry, Dream Interpretation, tea leaf readings, the sacrifice of bird entrails, astrology, tarot cards, crystal balls, Phyllorhodomancy, Numerology (divination by numbers), bibliomancy (using a book to tell ones fortune, almost always the Bible), Runic Divination, Cryptomancy (omens), captromancy (using mirrors), hydromancy (using water), Plastromancy (using the pattern on a turtle's shell), radiesthesia (using a pendulum), theomancy (predicting the future using the Inner Eye, prophecy) Turifumy (shapes in smoke), uranomancy (using the sky), umbromancy (using shadows), Xylomancy (burning wood), hypnomancy (by sleep), hakata (using bones or dice, as demonstrated in Pirates of the Caribbean).

3.) Here's one for the old set, who was my predecessor before I became Professor of Divination? ((OOC:I do not believe he was ever actually used in class, but he was the character of a member who is no longer on the site, and was MIA when it came time to actually have a Divination class in the RP)) (10 points)
Professor Jacob Honsley

4.) Name the two main methods of Divination used by centaurs. (10 points)
Astrology. The burning of certain herbs and leaves, such as sage and mallowsweet.

5.) Name the two previous Heads of Gryffindor who came before me. (10 points)
Professor Matthew Concordus and Professor Terralyne Miller.

6.) Which member of the centaur herd, residing deep within the Forbidden Forest, is my cousin? (3 points)
Bane

7.) Name the two current leaders of the Forbidden Forest centaur herd. (5 points)
Bane and Firenze

8.) Name the two previous members of the herd who came prior than the two current leaders. (10 points)
Magorian and Ronin.

9.) In the 2009-2010 school year (Third year of the "Beyond the Veil" story arc) two decrees were passed by the Ministry's Department of Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures. What were the names of the two decrees and the details of each of the two new laws, later repealed by the Ministry in the summer of 2010. (25 points).

Ministry Decree for the Reasonable Restriction of Potentially Dangerous Creatures of Near-Human Intelligence Number Eighteen-Reduced the centaurs territories even further, causing them to live in further seclusion, pushing them to live in smaller, tighter packed groups.
Decree for the Reasonable Restriction of Potentially Dangerous Creatures of Near-Human Intelligence, Number Nineteen -Gave the Ministry the power to detain any creature suspected of involvement in attempted violence towards wizards.


There will be more when all (or most) of these questions have been answered. (Note that questions with a mark through them have been fully answered and are closed. Those with answers already recorded under them but not crossed out have more than one possible answer and are still open.)
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Teddy Lupin
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2.) Name three methods of Divination performed by humans.
Palmistry, astrology, tarot cards.

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Stanley Peckle
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2. Tea leaves, crystal balls, PHYLLORHODOMANCY

5. Professor Matthew Concordus and Professor Terralyne Miller?

Ravenclaw, if you please!
Edited by Stanley Peckle, Jul 30 2009, 01:18:55 PM.
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Horacio DuMaine
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(1) Not completely sure if this is the answer you're looking for...but I'll give it a shot anyway. Human fortune telling is generally largely inaccurate, as, in turn, it is often a rushed procedure, the fortune teller simply 'gazing into a crystal ball', or whatever it is that particular fortune teller may do, for several minutes, before coming up with the clients so called fortune. Centaur divination, on the other hand, is far more arduous, involving the mapping of the process of the stars and planets, or the burning of certain herbs and leaves. The process is also by far more a lengthy one, where it may take over 10 years for the centaurs to be certain of what they are seeing. As such, however, centaur divination tends to be far more accurate.

(2) Cartomancy, Fire Omens, Palmistry, Dream Interpretation, Tea leaf readings, the sacrifice of bird entrails.

(4) Astrology, the burning of certain herbs and leaves, such as sage and mallowsweet.

(6) Bane

(7) Bane and Firenze

(8) Magorian and Ronin (Ronan?)

(9) Do I get points for noticing there is no number 9? Heh heh.

(10) Ministry Decree for the Reasonable Restriction of Potentially Dangerous Creatures of Near-Human Intelligence Number Eighteen-Reduced the centaurs territories even further, causing them to live in further seclusion, pushing them to live in smaller, tighter packed groups.
Decree for the Reasonable Restriction of Potentially Dangerous Creatures of Near-Human Intelligence, Number Nineteen -Gave the Ministry the power to detain any creature suspected of involvement in attempted violence towards wizards.
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Bannishtar
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Teddy Lupin
 
2.) Name three methods of Divination performed by humans.
Palmistry, astrology, tarot cards.


Excellent. Five Points for Gryffindor.

Kane Resultran
 
2.) Name three methods of Divination performed by humans.
Tea leaves, crystal balls, PHYLLORHODOMANCY

5.) Name the two previous Heads of Gryffindor who came before me.
Professor Matthew Concordus and Professor Terralyne Miller?


Very good, Mr. Resultran. You do both the House of Rowena Ravenclaw and your memory of past events proper justice. Fifteen points for Ravenclaw.

Horacio DuMaine
 
1.) Explain the fundamental philosophical difference between human divination and centaur divination.
Not completely sure if this is the answer you're looking for...but I'll give it a shot anyway. Human fortune telling is generally largely inaccurate, as, in turn, it is often a rushed procedure, the fortune teller simply 'gazing into a crystal ball', or whatever it is that particular fortune teller may do, for several minutes, before coming up with the clients so called fortune. Centaur divination, on the other hand, is far more arduous, involving the mapping of the process of the stars and planets, or the burning of certain herbs and leaves. The process is also by far more a lengthy one, where it may take over 10 years for the centaurs to be certain of what they are seeing. As such, however, centaur divination tends to be far more accurate.


Ah...not really the answer I was expecting. While it may be true that most arts of human divination require less work, there are many branches which require a great deal of study. However, it is all in vain, and the reason why it is futile is what I wish my students to understand this year in understanding the philosophical difference between the two methods. What central ideas separate the common fortuneteller from the true seer (and no, I am not referring to any sort of "gift" or "sight").

In any case, a good effort, Mr. DuMaine, however your answer fails to hit the mark, focusing on the quantitative aspects of the two methods, when I had specifically written the question to refer only to the philosophy. This question remains open to anyone until a satisfactory answer can be given.

Horacio DuMaine
 
2.) Name three methods of Divination performed by humans.
Cartomancy, Fire Omens, Palmistry, Dream Interpretation, Tea leaf readings, the sacrifice of bird entrails.


Very good, Mr. DuMaine. Ah, but alas, a few of those have already been used. I will, however, accept one set of three that had yet to be mentioned before you.

Horacio DuMaine
 
4.) Name the two main methods of Divination used by centaurs.
Astrology, the burning of certain herbs and leaves, such as sage and mallowsweet.

6.) Which member of the centaur herd, residing deep within the Forbidden Forest, is my cousin?
Bane

7.) Name the two current leaders of the Forbidden Forest centaur herd.
Bane and Firenze

8.) Name the two previous members of the herd who came prior than the two current leaders.
Magorian and Ronin

9.) In the 2009-2010 school year (Third year of the "Beyond the Veil" story arc) two decrees were passed by the Ministry's Department of Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures. What were the names of the two decrees and the details of each of the two new laws, later repealed by the Ministry in the summer of 2010.
Ministry Decree for the Reasonable Restriction of Potentially Dangerous Creatures of Near-Human Intelligence Number Eighteen-Reduced the centaurs territories even further, causing them to live in further seclusion, pushing them to live in smaller, tighter packed groups.
Decree for the Reasonable Restriction of Potentially Dangerous Creatures of Near-Human Intelligence, Number Nineteen -Gave the Ministry the power to detain any creature suspected of involvement in attempted violence towards wizards.


Ah, very good. All correct, Mr. DuMaine. You've earned the fifty seven points for Slytherin.

((OOC: I've got these. No need to count them, lest they get added twice.))
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I'd like to point out that there are plenty of points still to be had. Once the first question has been answered, I'll make some more. I'll leave the second question open indefinitely, as there are plenty of divination methods left unsaid.
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2. Name three methods of Divination performed by humans.
Arithmancy (divination by numbers), bibliomancy (using a book to tell ones fortune, almost always the Bible), Runic Divination.

Cryptomancy (omens), captromancy (using mirrors), hydromancy (using water)

Plastromancy (using the pattern on a turtle's shell), radiesthesia (using a pendulum), theomancy (predicting the future using the Inner Eye, prophecy)

Turifumy (shapes in smoke), uranomancy (using the sky), umbromancy (using shadows)

Xylomancy (burning wood), hypnomancy (by sleep), hakata (using bones or dice, as demonstrated in Pirates of the Caribbean)

3. Professor Jacob Honsely?

Points to Ravenclaw, if you will. I do hope that I would be able to submit more than one set of three, if that's okay.
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2.) Name three methods of Divination performed by humans.
Melting lead (to see what shape it makes after cooling)
Cutting an apple in half (if you can clearly see a 'star' in centre, you will be healthy)
Numerology
Throwing a slipper (don't know how exactly it's called; girls used to throw a shoe behind them, facing doors, and if the tip pointed to the doors, she would marry in 1 year)

Some of these are not well know but I've heard of them or even tried some.

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Ah, I just saw that Maverick used Arithmancy, so I guess it's the same as Numerology
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Human Divination, often called fortune-telling, is often based on guessing and logical conclusions. That's why it's usually not taken seriously by wizards. Humal fortune-tellers also usually predict a future of a single being and foretell the the facts that are not very important.

The 'true' divination practised by Centaurs, however is much more complex. It requires years of training and very few humans master the skill. Centaurs attempt to predict not a trivial future of one person, but they try to divine important events of the whole wizzarding world.

(Is that what you meant as philosophical difference?)
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2.) Name three methods of Divination performed by humans.
Arithmancy (divination by numbers), bibliomancy (using a book to tell ones fortune, almost always the Bible), Runic Divination.

Cryptomancy (omens), captromancy (using mirrors), hydromancy (using water)

Plastromancy (using the pattern on a turtle's shell), radiesthesia (using a pendulum), theomancy (predicting the future using the Inner Eye, prophecy)

Turifumy (shapes in smoke), uranomancy (using the sky), umbromancy (using shadows)

Xylomancy (burning wood), hypnomancy (by sleep), hakata (using bones or dice, as demonstrated in Pirates of the Caribbean)


Mostly correct. There is a method intended to divine the future using numbers, but Arithmancy, as you would learn in Arithmancy class, generally refers to the magical properties of numbers and not to any superstitious qualities that have been attributed to them. You, my boy, are most likely thinking of "Numerology". The rest, however, are correct. You will receive credit for four out of the five sets you've submitted.

Kane Resultran
 
3.) Here's one for the old set, who was my predecessor before I became Professor of Divination?
Professor Jacob Honsley


That is correct. Together with your answers to question two, Ravenclaw earns 30 points.

Beth Snape
 
2.) Name three methods of Divination performed by humans.
Melting lead (to see what shape it makes after cooling)
Cutting an apple in half (if you can clearly see a 'star' in centre, you will be healthy)
Numerology
Throwing a slipper (don't know how exactly it's called; girls used to throw a shoe behind them, facing doors, and if the tip pointed to the doors, she would marry in 1 year)


Numerology is correct. As is the melting of lead (molybdomancy). However, the other two you have submitted refer more to superstition rather than actual methods or disciplines. Though even those so-called "arts" are superstitions in and of themselves, I am looking more for practices that would at least require the superstitious fool participating to have learned something. I am sorry, but I cannot award Hufflepuff any points for this.

Beth Snape
 
1.)Explain the fundamental philosophical difference between human divination and centaur divination.
Human Divination, often called fortune-telling, is often based on guessing and logical conclusions. That's why it's usually not taken seriously by wizards. Human fortune-tellers also usually predict a future of a single being and foretell the the facts that are not very important.

The 'true' divination practiced by Centaurs, however is much more complex. It requires years of training and very few humans master the skill. Centaurs attempt to predict not a trivial future of one person, but they try to divine important events of the whole wizarding world.


Ah, now this is more like it. This I can give points for. Not the most in-depth answer I have seen, but you are more or less correct. Ten points for Hufflepuff.
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