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ACORN of Baltimore busted; in child prostitution sting.
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Sabre_Justice,Sep 14 2009
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csadn,Sep 14 2009
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Sabre_Justice,Sep 14 2009
03:47 AM
If you cut off funding to every government agency that's been reputed to commit crimes, you'd have to shut down the government.

And the problem with that is...?

(Some folks have the Bible; some have the Torah; some have the Koran; I have
_The Federalist Papers_.... >:) )

Some people have comedians, some people have sitcoms, I have the US government.

No two people are not actually Spy.
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Sabre_Justice,Sep 14 2009
03:47 AM
If you cut off funding to every government agency that's been reputed to commit crimes, you'd have to shut down the government.

firstly, cutting off funding to a organization rife with corruption gives the management a BIG ASSED incentive to clean their employees up. secondly, you have to be able to punish bad behavior in government somehow or it ceases to be accountable to anyone and can then do whatever the fuck it likes, you know, like just about every tyrant in history.

and government isn't as useful as the politicians like people to think.
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Sabre_Justice,Sep 14 2009
08:36 AM
Some people have comedians, some people have sitcoms, I have the US government.

Oh, I don't know -- some Aussie pols have provided some Funny Aneurysm Moments....
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Fox News gets Punk'd by Acorn - "Trolled Spectacularly", comments resident Deviant Gentleman.

... your thoughts will be fascinating at this juncture, Major.
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Wait, now they're saying, "ha ha we were just joking"? In three different cities they were just joking?

Even I don't believe that.
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In the meanwhile, it now got busted in a FIFTH (5TH) city, San Diego.
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...it's hard to tell who's lying, as they all have shit on their faces...

Lying idiots, and the sheep that follow them... gotta love it... -_-
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Not surprised, ever since the loons got obsessed with an otherwise inconsequential agency, leading them should be easy.
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LGHunter,Sep 17 2009
03:10 AM
Lying idiots, and the sheep that follow them... gotta love it... -_-

And everyone has guns.

It's times like these I'm glad most of the country can't even find where I live on a
map -- bunch of ass-scratching, brain-dead barbarians.
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I probably couldn't find where you live on a map either. You guys have too many states. We get along fine with 6. Or was it 7.

...I knew I should have taken Geography.
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csadn,Sep 17 2009
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It's times like these I'm glad most of the country can't even find where I live on a
map -- bunch of ass-scratching, brain-dead barbarians.

Wizard's first rule.

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People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People’s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.


As true today as ever.
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Dark Comet,Sep 17 2009
12:51 AM
Fox News gets Punk'd by Acorn - "Trolled Spectacularly", comments resident Deviant Gentleman.

... your thoughts will be fascinating at this juncture, Major.

Okay.

They are trying to cover their asses.

of course, recently the FED reported that all funding to ACORN has been cut, and the Prez is seeming to deny that he had anything to do with ACORN at all.

can't imagine why, they were only caught aiding and abetting people who confessed intent to commit not only a federal crime, but also violation of human rights (white[read, sex] slavery).


Sabre_Justice
 
I probably couldn't find where you live on a map either. You guys have too many states. We get along fine with 6. Or was it 7.


the original intent was that each of the states would be a sovereign nation unto itself, with the federal government being something like the European Union. but then Alexander Hamilton and his buddies managed to get the Articles of Confederation thrown out and replaced by the Constitution; something that a few states refused to agree to unless they were guaranteed the right to secession should they cease to be served by this federal government. this is why when the southern states seceded they called themselves "the Confederate States of America"; they were attempting to return to the Confederalist system which was originally intended at the founding before the intrusive Hamilton & co. got their way.

Also Texas was unconstitutionally acquired and the war of 1812 was started because America wanted Canada and the unlawful pressing into service of US merchantmen was just an excuse.

and with that the history lesson is over.
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Major Maxillary,Sep 17 2009
07:20 PM
They are trying to cover their asses.


Obviously -- first defense of someone who's just been publicly
shown to be doing wrong is "Well, I *knew all along* it was a
fake, but I went along with it anyway. (Wrong answer, slick;
even if you know it's a setup, you *don't* ever go along with
the gag.)

Major Maxillary,Sep 17 2009
07:20 PM
the original intent was that each of the states would be a sovereign nation unto itself, with the federal government being something like the European Union. but then Alexander Hamilton and his buddies managed to get the Articles of Confederation thrown out and replaced by the Constitution; something that a few states refused to agree to unless they were guaranteed the right to secession should they cease to be served by this federal government. this is why when the southern states seceded they called themselves "the Confederate States of America"; they were attempting to return to the Confederalist system which was originally intended at the founding before the intrusive Hamilton & co. got their way.


And we all know how well the Confederate system worked,
don't we? Hint: There are reports of Rebel troops ill-equipped
and starving in early 1862, long before the blockade became
effective. Also, it helps when one of your state's governors
doesn't insist on tying up his state's production solely for his
state's troops (Georgia, specifically). Oh, and good luck trying to
get officers from different states to work together (Army of
Tennessee, for ex.).

The CSA was doomed from the start. Bad example.

Major Maxillary,Sep 17 2009
07:20 PM
Also Texas was unconstitutionally acquired and the war of 1812 was started because America wanted Canada and the unlawful pressing into service of US merchantmen was just an excuse.


And if the US had listened to Benedict Arnold instead of ignoring
him, the US would have taken Canada in 1775-6, rendering the
whole issue moot. (Arnold was the only officer smart enough to
understand the value of inoculation against smallpox, which was
the real killer of troops at the time.) But then, Arnold knew he
was better than anyone else, everyone else knew it as well, and
the result is the same as every other instance where one person
stands head-and-shoulders above the rest -- "the nail which
sticks up is hammered down".
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csadn,Sep 18 2009
06:41 AM
And we all know how well the Confederate system worked,
don't we? Hint: There are reports of Rebel troops ill-equipped
and starving in early 1862, long before the blockade became
effective. Also, it helps when one of your state's governors
doesn't insist on tying up his state's production solely for his
state's troops (Georgia, specifically). Oh, and good luck trying to
get officers from different states to work together (Army of
Tennessee, for ex.).

that's a result of poor inter militia compatibility and management. keep in mind that most regiments during the American civil War were militia, i.e. they were raised and equipped by influential members of the community, and put on thetir home state's roster(1st Florida, 69th New York, 17th Texas, ext), and the Confederate States had a serious lack of industrialization to the point thy lacked the technology to even spin a brass casing.

the principle of the member states of the union banding together for mutual defense and benefit as well as ease of economic trade among member states is sound and preferable to a wholly top-down system which we use today and has fucked up everything it has touched via excessive micromanagement and imposition of asinine regulations and barriers to entry.

the issue was its execution and the imposition of a naval blockade that starved the CSA of vital resources. adding to that the constant severing of lines of supply and Sherman's destruction of resources in his march to the sea coupled with the pursuing Georgia militias inability to cross state lines to engage outnumbered Union reinforcements; the clerical error that had Lee's army leave Richmond with tons of weapons and ammo and no food, and you can't really blame lack of supplies to the system of government, but on the circumstances of the war.

all that aside, the CSA was doomed to fail, but more because the Union refuses to allow secession; because when people find out they can secede then all the leverage the federal government has in extorting money from its citizenry is lost.
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Apparently, not content with simply stealing votes and rigging elections, as well as murdering people and having phony self-defense stories ready ahead of time, ACORN has also had sex-slave stuff going, selling young girls into prostitution.

House votes to cut off funding, but 75 stand by ACORN.

Here's the full list of those who are defending this godawful thing...

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Tammy Baldwin, D-Wisc.
Xavier Becerra, D-Calif.
Robert Brady D-Pa.
Corrine Brown, D-Fla.
G.K. Butterfield, D-N.C.
Mike Capuano, D-Mass.
Andre Carson, D-Ind.
Kathy Castor, D-Fla.
Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo.
James Clyburn, D-S.C.
Joseph Crowley, D-N.Y.
Elijah Cummings, D-Md.
Danny Davis, D-Ill.
Diane DeGette, D-Colo.
Bill Delahunt, D-Mass.
Mike Doyle, D-Pa.
Donna Edwards, D-Md.
Keith Ellison, D-Minn.
Eliot Engel, D-N.Y.
Chaka Fattah, D-Pa.
Bob Filner, D-Calif.
Marcia Fudge, D-Ohio
Al Green, D-Tex.
Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz.
Maurice Hinchey, D-N.Y.
Mazie Hirono, D-Hawaii
Rush Holt, D-N.J.
Mike Honda, D-Calif.
Jesse Jackson, Jr. D-Ill.
Sheila Jackson-Lee, D-Tex.
Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Tex.
Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, D-Mich.
Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio
Rick Larsen, D-Wash.
Barbara Lee, D-Calif.
John Lewis, D-Ga.
Stephen Lynch, D-Mass.
Markey, D-Mass.
Betty McCollum, D-Minn.
McDermott, D-Wash.
McGovern, D-Mass.
Gregory Meeks, D-N.Y.
Alan Mollohan, D-W.Va.
Gwen Moore, D-Wisc.
Jim Moran, D-Va.
Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y.
Richard Neal, D-Mass.
John Olver, D-Mass.
Frank Pallone, D-N.J.
Bill Pascrell, D-N.J.
Donald Payne, D-N.J.
Jared Polis, D-Colo.
David Price, D-N.C.
Nick Rahall, D-W.Va.
Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y.
Lucille Roybal-Allard, D-Calif.
Bobby Rush, D-Ill.
Linda Sánchez, D-Calif.
Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill.
David Scott D-Ga.
Bobby Scott, D-Va.
Jose Serrano, D-N.Y.
Brad Sherman, D-Calif.
Albio Sires, D-N.J.
Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y.
Pete Stark, D-Calif.
Bennie Thompson, D-Miss.
Edolphus Towns, D-N.Y.
Niki Tsongas, D-Mass.
Nydia Velázquez, D-N.Y.
Maxine Waters, D-Calif.
Diane Watson, D-Calif.
Henry Waxman, D-Calif.
Robert Wexler, D-Fla.
Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif.
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THEY SHOULD BE CRUCIFIED ON A CROSS OF FIRE.

Or something.
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Didn't their 'evidence' consist entirely of two ACORN interns in a pimp and ho Halloween costume?
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Quillian,Sep 18 2009
08:09 PM
Here's the full list of those who are defending this godawful thing...

And what do they all have in common?

Tammy Baldwin, D-Wisc.; Xavier Becerra, D-Calif.; Robert Brady D-Pa.; Corrine Brown, D-Fla.; G.K. Butterfield, D-N.C.; Mike Capuano, D-Mass.; Andre Carson, D-Ind.; Kathy Castor, D-Fla.; Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo.; James Clyburn, D-S.C.; Joseph Crowley, D-N.Y.; Elijah Cummings, D-Md.; Danny Davis, D-Ill.; Diane DeGette, D-Colo.; Bill Delahunt, D-Mass.; Mike Doyle, D-Pa.; Donna Edwards, D-Md.; Keith Ellison, D-Minn.; Eliot Engel, D-N.Y.; Chaka Fattah, D-Pa.; Bob Filner, D-Calif.; Marcia Fudge, D-Ohio; Al Green, D-Tex.; Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz.; Maurice Hinchey, D-N.Y.; Mazie Hirono, D-Hawaii; Rush Holt, D-N.J.; Mike Honda, D-Calif.; Jesse Jackson, Jr. D-Ill.; Sheila Jackson-Lee, D-Tex.; Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Tex.; Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, D-Mich.; Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio; Rick Larsen, D-Wash.; Barbara Lee, D-Calif.; John Lewis, D-Ga.; Stephen Lynch, D-Mass.; Markey, D-Mass.; Betty McCollum, D-Minn.; McDermott, D-Wash.; McGovern, D-Mass.; Gregory Meeks, D-N.Y.; Alan Mollohan, D-W.Va.; Gwen Moore, D-Wisc.; Jim Moran, D-Va.; Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y.; Richard Neal, D-Mass.; John Olver, D-Mass.; Frank Pallone, D-N.J.; Bill Pascrell, D-N.J.; Donald Payne, D-N.J.; Jared Polis, D-Colo.; David Price, D-N.C.; Nick Rahall, D-W.Va.; Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y.; Lucille Roybal-Allard, D-Calif.; Bobby Rush, D-Ill.; Linda Sánchez, D-Calif.; Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill.; David Scott D-Ga.; Bobby Scott, D-Va.; Jose Serrano, D-N.Y.; Brad Sherman, D-Calif.; Albio Sires, D-N.J.; Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y.; Pete Stark, D-Calif.; Bennie Thompson, D-Miss.; Edolphus Towns, D-N.Y.; Niki Tsongas, D-Mass.; Nydia Velázquez, D-N.Y.; Maxine Waters, D-Calif.; Diane Watson, D-Calif.; Henry Waxman, D-Calif.; Robert Wexler, D-Fla.; Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif.

Gee, Brain, are we seeing a Pattern here?

Now you know why the term is "D-Bag".... :P
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Major Maxillary,Sep 18 2009
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all that aside, the CSA was doomed to fail, but more because the Union refuses to allow secession; because when people find out they can secede then all the leverage the federal government has in extorting money from its citizenry is lost.

Yeah extorting, that's a good one. You don't seem to quite realize why the Articles of Confederation failed miserably as a document. Apparently you think it was undermined by some of the Founding Fathers when in reality it was already doomed for a number of reasons:


1. No ability for the federal government to legislate. Congress could make decisions but they were completely unenforceable. So please tell me how that was a good idea. That brings me to my next point.
2. Massive crippling Debt. Bear in mind the nascent US had just finished fighting a war. An expensive war. The country was pretty much broke, and nobody was willing to pay for it. Congress again, tried to get the states to pay taxes but again, no power to enforce that. I don't even know why people consider federal taxes some sort of extortion, it's not like you're not being represented in Congress (which, keep in mind, the Colonies were not. They had no representation, no voice in Parliment, wheras we as US Citizens do have representation. Big difference)
3. No Unity. I don't even have to further elaborate how disjointed the US under the Articles of Confederation would be. In fact I doubt it would've made it 50 years much less the 230+ it has now. Take a look at the current system in America, now make it so the states had the power they held under the Articles of Confederation. It simply would not work. Imagine 50 states all trying to actively screw over one another to get the best possible deals for themselves. Pretty much like things are currently, only 10 times as worse I figure. Especially since now, much like back then, we have no money.
4. Shays Rebellion. Without any sort of national assistance the attempt by Daniel Shays to topple and overthrow the government of Massachusetts almost succeeded.
5. The Newburgh Conspiracy, which involved unpaid US soldiers and Congress members trying to literally force federal taxation upon the states instead of through something a bit less intrusive like oh say, a revision of the Articles themselves (which was more or less what the Constitution started out as). This problem would not be resolved for years.

That said the Constitution was designed as a way of trying to get as close as one could to the government ideas put forth in the Age of Enlightenment, coming in somewhere in between a centralized government and a confederation of sovereign states. Of course, Patrick Henry overreacted and claimed it was all going centralized, but most antifederalists begrudgingly agreed that the states weren't being completely cut out of the loop.

As to secession, you're pretty much way off base there. There is no expressly written right of secession in the United States Constitution, and it never will be there. The Constitution does say it is not permissible for a state to secede, but at the same time there is no provision for prevention of such a task. And the Supreme Court ruling of Texas v. White in 1869 has pretty much ended any legal chance of secession from the Union, that is true. However it's important to note that since Texas was attempting to secede unconstitutionally in that time (again, secession was not permitted under the Constitution), this ruling probably benefited them instead of being harmful.

And given how Texas was working towards annexation by the US anyway, I don't see how their acceptance into the union was a raw deal or unconstitutional by any means.

Lastly, if you really think secession is the best way to deal with a problem, let me leave a few words from Andrew Jackson:

"But each State having expressly parted with so many powers as to constitute jointly with the other States a single nation, cannot from that period possess any right to secede, because such secession does not break a league, but destroys the unity of a nation, and any injury to that unity is not only a breach which would result from the contravention of a compact, but it is an offense against the whole Union. To say that any State may at pleasure secede from the Union, is to say that the United States are not a nation because it would be a solecism to contend that any part of a nation might dissolve its connection with the other parts, to their injury or ruin, without committing any offense. Secession, like any other revolutionary act, may be morally justified by the extremity of oppression; but to call it a constitutional right, is confounding the meaning of terms, and can only be done through gross error, or to deceive those who are willing to assert a right, but would pause before they made a revolution, or incur the penalties consequent upon a failure."

And if Andrew Jackson considered Secession to not be a constitutional right, who are we to argue?

tl;dr version: I believe your arguments are misinformed and flawed.
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Where's that youtube video...

Here we go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCLz7XQOIOQ
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GODDAMNIT!
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Now the scandal is going beyond ACORN, and now to the NEA (that's the National Endowment for the Arts). Right now, I'm looking at this one article saying that the NEA conference call violated at least 6 federal laws and regulations.

Right now, I'm looking at both Big Hollywood and Big Government, and there's so much stuff coming out between these two scandals (ACORN and the NEA) alone, it's like they've got almost nothing else to talk about.
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Quillian,Sep 23 2009
03:18 AM
Right now, I'm looking at both Big Hollywood and Big Government, and there's so much stuff coming out between these two scandals (ACORN and the NEA) alone, it's like they've got almost nothing else to talk about.

The two biggest sources of Leftism in the US -- and they're as rotten as deadwood.
*BIG* shock there.

So many people are saying "0 is the second coming of Carter"; at this rate, he may
well end up being the second coming of second-term *Nixon*.... (We HOPE.... >:) )
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