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The Watchmen Thread.
Topic Started: Jul 17 2008, 10:17 PM (3,141 Views)
Sabre_Justice
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Pixellated,Mar 23 2009
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Sabre_Justice,Mar 23 2009
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Whispering,Mar 23 2009
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I've never read the comic would I be totally lost if I went to see the movie?

I don't think so. You might be confused on a few things but you'd probably get the gist of it.

Do try to get the comic afterward though. Should be easy to find nowadays with the marketing push.

Nope, that's the wrong way round. Literature first, then film. Always do these things in chronological order of release.

Don't listen to him, he's a nerdface.
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Sabre_Justice,Mar 23 2009
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Pixellated,Mar 23 2009
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Sabre_Justice,Mar 23 2009
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Whispering,Mar 23 2009
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I've never read the comic would I be totally lost if I went to see the movie?

I don't think so. You might be confused on a few things but you'd probably get the gist of it.

Do try to get the comic afterward though. Should be easy to find nowadays with the marketing push.

Nope, that's the wrong way round. Literature first, then film. Always do these things in chronological order of release.

Don't listen to him, he's a nerdface.

Agreed.

Comic then film. Reading the novel first helped me lol during the opening sequence. Especially at Dollar Bill.
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Pixellated,Mar 23 2009
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Sabre_Justice,Mar 23 2009
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Whispering,Mar 23 2009
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I've never read the comic would I be totally lost if I went to see the movie?

I don't think so. You might be confused on a few things but you'd probably get the gist of it.

Do try to get the comic afterward though. Should be easy to find nowadays with the marketing push.

Nope, that's the wrong way round. Literature first, then film. Always do these things in chronological order of release.

So I should read the Doom novels before watching the Doom movie?
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Jeffk38uk,Mar 23 2009
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Pixellated,Mar 23 2009
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Sabre_Justice,Mar 23 2009
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Whispering,Mar 23 2009
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I've never read the comic would I be totally lost if I went to see the movie?

I don't think so. You might be confused on a few things but you'd probably get the gist of it.

Do try to get the comic afterward though. Should be easy to find nowadays with the marketing push.

Nope, that's the wrong way round. Literature first, then film. Always do these things in chronological order of release.

So I should read the Doom novels before watching the Doom movie?

No, but you should have played Doom 3.
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Pixellated,Mar 23 2009
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Jeffk38uk,Mar 23 2009
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Pixellated,Mar 23 2009
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Sabre_Justice,Mar 23 2009
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Whispering,Mar 23 2009
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I've never read the comic would I be totally lost if I went to see the movie?

I don't think so. You might be confused on a few things but you'd probably get the gist of it.

Do try to get the comic afterward though. Should be easy to find nowadays with the marketing push.

Nope, that's the wrong way round. Literature first, then film. Always do these things in chronological order of release.

So I should read the Doom novels before watching the Doom movie?

No, but you should have played Doom 3.

Lol, I did...halfway. Then Half Life 2 came out and I wondered why I bothered with it.
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Whispering,Mar 23 2009
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I've never read the comic would I be totally lost if I went to see the movie?

Read the book first and don't see the movie.
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HAL OVER 9000!!!,Mar 23 2009
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Whispering,Mar 23 2009
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I've never read the comic would I be totally lost if I went to see the movie?

Read the book first and don't see the movie.

Ignore Hal here. The movie is more than worthy.

Movie first, then book. Always better to ascend to the plateau of awesomeness than to start awesome then drop to not-as-awesome.

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Master Shake,Mar 23 2009
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The movie is more than worthy.

How? Aside from the prison scene, which I will admit to being well done, what makes this movie at all decent and/or faithful?
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HAL OVER 9000!!!,Mar 23 2009
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Master Shake,Mar 23 2009
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The movie is more than worthy.

How? Aside from the prison scene, which I will admit to being well done, what makes this movie at all decent and/or faithful?

Pretty much most of it? I have to agree that the film is a pretty good adaptation of the graphic novel. Concessions were made for the theatrical version but whats there still sums up the core of watchmen.
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Master Shake,Mar 23 2009
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The movie is more than worthy.

How? Aside from the prison scene, which I will admit to being well done, what makes this movie at all decent and/or faithful?

This is not an argument I'm going to get into, if only because I recognize the meaning of the word 'adaptation' and find the concept of '100% adherence to source material by an adaptation' in any medium to be more than a bit silly.
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Speaking of source/adaptation differences... anyone here ever enjoy something which was in the movie adaptation that wasn't in the original source?

For example, take the prison break scene, when Rorshach's going into the bathroom to finish his business with Mr. Figure. In the move version, we see the door swing open and shut a few times, with Rorshach advancing on the cornered criminal even more with every swing of the door (and you don't see it in the original graphic novel version). No offense to the original source, but I rather liked that touch.
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Indeed, that added a much more menacing and darker tone than what the novel did.
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Usually I don't mind when a movie adaptation doesn't include the little things, but Watchmen is different. All the characters of the book Watchmen are rip-offs of old Charlton characters. The main plot is totally an old Outer Limits episode. All the Watchmen book had going for it was all the little things. What made Watchmen the book interesting was the little neuroses that Alan Moore added, all the things that the characters kept inside. Most of that was lost in the movie. When you drop all those little things, you might as well just use the wikipedia article as your Watchmen source material. I personally feel that what was subtle in the book was made gratuitous in the movie. Everything was completely stupefied and force fed to the audience. What the hell happened to pacing? To intrigue? All the events just seemed to unfold in front of me, never giving me incentive to like any of these characters. The only acting that was good in this film was Patrick Wilson, Jeffery Dean Morgan, and Matt Frewer. Everyone else was decent but I never felt like they knew where their character's emotional journey was supposed go. It's almost as if instead of directing the actors, Zack Snyder just sat there with a laptop reassuring the internet that he doing a good job. Which he didn't because he missed the mark. Also, I find it amazing that Zack Snyder said he didn't want to update the setting, yet he still made the movie about the fucking energy crisis. The Watchmen movie was all style and no substance and would've been done just as well if Micheal Bay did it.
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HAL OVER 9000!!!,Mar 23 2009
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Usually I don't mind when a movie adaptation doesn't include the little things, but Watchmen is different. All the characters of the book Watchmen are rip-offs of old Charlton characters. The main plot is totally an old Outer Limits episode. All the Watchmen book had going for it was all the little things. What made Watchmen the book interesting was the little neuroses that Alan Moore added, all the things that the characters kept inside. Most of that was lost in the movie. When you drop all those little things, you might as well just use the wikipedia article as your Watchmen source material. I personally feel that what was subtle in the book was made gratuitous in the movie. Everything was completely stupefied and force fed to the audience. What the hell happened to pacing? To intrigue? All the events just seemed to unfold in front of me, never giving me incentive to like any of these characters. The only acting that was good in this film was Patrick Wilson, Jeffery Dean Morgan, and Matt Frewer. Everyone else was decent but I never felt like they knew where their character's emotional journey was supposed go. It's almost as if instead of directing the actors, Zack Snyder just sat there with a laptop reassuring the internet that he doing a good job. Which he didn't because he missed the mark. Also, I find it amazing that Zack Snyder said he didn't want to update the setting, yet he still made the movie about the fucking energy crisis. The Watchmen movie was all style and no substance and would've been done just as well if Micheal Bay did it.

Watchmen-with everything Alan Moore put in the original! Ever nuance, every tic, every piece of information!
Enjoy your deep vein Thrombosis at hour 7 of the movie.
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HunteRS,Mar 23 2009
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Watchmen-with everything Alan Moore put in the original! Ever nuance, every tic, every piece of information!
Enjoy your deep vein Thrombosis at hour 7 of the movie.

That's why they never should have made a movie.
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HunteRS,Mar 23 2009
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Watchmen-with everything Alan Moore put in the original! Ever nuance, every tic, every piece of information!
Enjoy your deep vein Thrombosis at hour 7 of the movie.

That's why they never should have made a movie.

I think HunteRS was mocking you rather than supporting you...
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Jeffk38uk,Mar 23 2009
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Whispering,Mar 23 2009
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I've never read the comic would I be totally lost if I went to see the movie?

I don't think so. You might be confused on a few things but you'd probably get the gist of it.

Do try to get the comic afterward though. Should be easy to find nowadays with the marketing push.

Nope, that's the wrong way round. Literature first, then film. Always do these things in chronological order of release.

So I should read the Doom novels before watching the Doom movie?

No, you read the Doom COMIC.
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HAL OVER 9000!!!,Mar 23 2009
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Usually I don't mind when a movie adaptation doesn't include the little things, but Watchmen is different. All the characters of the book Watchmen are rip-offs of old Charlton characters. The main plot is totally an old Outer Limits episode. All the Watchmen book had going for it was all the little things. What made Watchmen the book interesting was the little neuroses that Alan Moore added, all the things that the characters kept inside. Most of that was lost in the movie. When you drop all those little things, you might as well just use the wikipedia article as your Watchmen source material. I personally feel that what was subtle in the book was made gratuitous in the movie. Everything was completely stupefied and force fed to the audience. What the hell happened to pacing? To intrigue? All the events just seemed to unfold in front of me, never giving me incentive to like any of these characters. The only acting that was good in this film was Patrick Wilson, Jeffery Dean Morgan, and Matt Frewer. Everyone else was decent but I never felt like they knew where their character's emotional journey was supposed go. It's almost as if instead of directing the actors, Zack Snyder just sat there with a laptop reassuring the internet that he doing a good job. Which he didn't because he missed the mark. Also, I find it amazing that Zack Snyder said he didn't want to update the setting, yet he still made the movie about the fucking energy crisis. The Watchmen movie was all style and no substance and would've been done just as well if Micheal Bay did it.

Are you trying to make it obvious that you went in ready to hate the everloving shit out of the movie just because it's a movie you think shouldn't exist because its source material is overly-deified in your mind? Because you really are making it obvious.

And the lack of Jackie Earle Haley in your 'good acting' list is mind-boggling. His take on Rorschach is the voice that I hear whenever I read the book now.
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Jeffk38uk,Mar 23 2009
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HAL OVER 9000!!!,Mar 23 2009
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HunteRS,Mar 23 2009
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Watchmen-with everything Alan Moore put in the original! Ever nuance, every tic, every piece of information!
Enjoy your deep vein Thrombosis at hour 7 of the movie.

That's why they never should have made a movie.

I think HunteRS was mocking you rather than supporting you...


Yeah. I caught that. My point is that the source material is about all the little things. Now, if that's the first thing one drops when one films the adaptation where does does one go from there? On the other hand, if one did keep all little things then the movie would be long and tedious. That's why I agree with Alan Moore and a half a dozen other directors that the project is unfilmable.


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HAL OVER 9000!!!,Mar 23 2009
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Usually I don't mind when a movie adaptation doesn't include the little things, but Watchmen is different. All the characters of the book Watchmen are rip-offs of old Charlton characters. The main plot is totally an old Outer Limits episode. All the Watchmen book had going for it was all the little things. What made Watchmen the book interesting was the little neuroses that Alan Moore added, all the things that the characters kept inside. Most of that was lost in the movie. When you drop all those little things, you might as well just use the wikipedia article as your Watchmen source material. I personally feel that what was subtle in the book was made gratuitous in the movie. Everything was completely stupefied and force fed to the audience. What the hell happened to pacing? To intrigue? All the events just seemed to unfold in front of me, never giving me incentive to like any of these characters. The only acting that was good in this film was Patrick Wilson, Jeffery Dean Morgan, and Matt Frewer. Everyone else was decent but I never felt like they knew where their character's emotional journey was supposed go. It's almost as if instead of directing the actors, Zack Snyder just sat there with a laptop reassuring the internet that he doing a good job. Which he didn't because he missed the mark. Also, I find it amazing that Zack Snyder said he didn't want to update the setting, yet he still made the movie about the fucking energy crisis.  The Watchmen movie was all style and no substance and would've been done just as well if Micheal Bay did it.

Are you trying to make it obvious that you went in ready to hate the everloving shit out of the movie just because it's a movie you think shouldn't exist because its source material is overly-deified in your mind? Because you really are making it obvious.

And the lack of Jackie Earle Haley in your 'good acting' list is mind-boggling. His take on Rorschach is the voice that I hear whenever I read the book now.


That's where you're wrong, Shake. I really did want to love this film. I walked into the theater really hoping that Alan Moore was just being an egotist. I love the Watchmen, and I really wanted to be able to enjoy it no matter what format it's presented on. Also, until I finished watching the movie, I had nothing against Zack Snyder. I didn't hate Watchmen right off the bat either. I thought the opening was alright. [Spoilers:] Despite the fact that they turned the Ozymandias and Comedian fight scene into something out of DBZ, not the one-sided slugfest from the comic. I thought that the Comedian killing JFK was a nice touch. Though I loathed how they made the Silhouette's lesbianism gratuitous. [/Spoilers.] It wasn't until an hour into the film did I realize I hated the flick, and for the reasons I already stated.

Personally, I still feel that Jackie Earl Haley's voice sounded like a Christian Bale knock off. It needed to be more monotone. To his credit though, I did appreciate how you could see the rage of emotions in him when the mask came off.
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I get the feeling you'd probably enjoy the Watchmen Animated Novel version more then.
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What about the animated series?
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Fair do's Hal. I probably think Gilliam was right-it needed to be a series.
But this is the best you are going to get. JEH was good as Rorscach because he bought much more intensity to the role than Rorscach as a character usually displays. I think the 'I have throat Cancer' voice suits him better than Bale.
I wil also agrre on the Ozy/Comedian fight-as Studio Aspeger already said it made them seem actualy 'Super' when the whole point is they're not.
And yes-we're all annoyed about Squiddy. But you have to remember one very important fact-Watchmen is a serious piece with some uncomfortable ideas and a few complex issues. The viewing public are moron's and therefore would not appreciate anythin that made them switch between 'serious piece' and 'BLARGH ALIENHORRORSTRAIGHTOUT OF CHARLON'.
They tend to feel unsure and stupid and the average man doesn't like to fell stupid.
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'Watchmen is a serious piece with some uncomfortable ideas and a few complex issues. The viewing public are moron's and therefore would not appreciate anythin that made them switch between 'serious piece' and 'BLARGH ALIENHORRORSTRAIGHTOUT OF CHARLON'.
They tend to feel unsure and stupid and the average man doesn't like to fell stupid. '

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I will say that watching the movie made me start thinking about how long you would have to know someone to stop caring about their penis everywhere. Like was there a period in which people were like, "Oh, hey, Dr. Ma- OH MY GOD! WHAT THE FUCK! WHY DO YOU HAVE YOUR COCK OUT!?" Personally I can't imagine that reaction going away with me. Probably why I don't fight crime.
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It's an artful thing to have male nudity these days, since the censors are so crazy about it. Female nudity on the other hand, I bet they'll be doing it on Cartoon Network before long. Yep, double standard.
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