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| Shinichi Watanabe Speaks at Oni-Con; about fansubs and illegal downloading | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 26 2007, 08:44 AM (517 Views) | |
| Lexum | Oct 26 2007, 08:44 AM Post #1 |
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Add pineapples for fun!
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[Active Anime Link] Now... as an Anime director, I can see where he's coming from, HOWEVER, 10 times out of 10, I purchase the licensed DVD when it hits stores. That is, if the Anime is good. Recently I just finished Death Note, and it's now airing on Cartoon Network. I love extending my Anime collection, and it's one that I will put there. I'm not sure if this is the case around here, and I'm not going to make any assumptions... Now he DOES go on to say that it doesn't count as advertising, and if your going to make an ad, make a trailer. Even so, some of us do not have television or somewhere that we can rent Anime from. Or watch it in a theater (as in the case of some Anime movies). Therefore, some of us cannot "try before you buy". And thus fansubs are the only way for some of us to determine whether or not it is good besides word of mouth. Unfortunately some words from mouths cannot be trusted, and everyone has different tastes anyways. And there are ways of trying before you buy, I'll admit. Most Anime have websites put up by the licensing company, however, they usually focus on the English dubbers and at times, blow. If there was a nice direct-from-Japan sort of "game-demo-ish" way of getting a trial of an Anime that wasn't fansubbing, then I'd go for it. But for the time being, I have not found one. And thus I am left with fansubs, but I will reinforce the fact that I do buy Anime that I've watched and enjoyed. I guess I'm a little curious on everyone else thoughts here. :unsure: |
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| Sabre_Justice | Oct 26 2007, 08:48 AM Post #2 |
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Ask me about very angry cats
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If they dubbed anime half decently this wouldn't be a problem. |
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| LGHunter | Oct 26 2007, 11:41 PM Post #3 |
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Lost and tired...
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I will admit this: Canada does a lot of the dubbing for anime both for TV and movies, and it is SHIT for the most part. Bad dialogue, pathetic translation, really bad voice acting... And Disney is just as bad. Look at what they did to Castle in the Sky and Spirited Away! I refuse to watch the English versions of those movies. I'll watch the Japanese version with subtitles (unless the subtitles are way off, like in The Cat Returns), or I'll more than likely watch them in French. I love being French bilingual; the translations of anime are so close to the original story, it leaves most of the English companies choking on their dust. As for the fan-subs, it's the only way to get more or less accurate translations of any japanese animated cartoon. You're looking at the post of someone who buys their anime in Chinatown. So what if they're Hong Kong bootlegs; it's the only way that they will ever be available here in Canada! At least, that's how I'm seeing things right now. I'm leaving some room for mind changing. |
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| Sabre_Justice | Oct 27 2007, 02:00 AM Post #4 |
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Ask me about very angry cats
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I suppose 4kids needs no mention. I dunno, I hear the dub of Samurai Pizza Cats is actually considered to be better than the original. It seems that Japanese companies either don't know how badly their stuff gets dubbed, or don't care. Either way is stupid, since America is still plenty obsessed with anime and the international market is bigger than home. |
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| Master Shake | Oct 27 2007, 08:49 AM Post #5 |
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Scootaloo! We have to cook!
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Oh hey, it's an opinion from ten years ago! Hello, opinion from ten years ago! You might be interested to know that since your horrible time in the sun oh so long ago, english dubs have greatly improved and on many cases have become superior to the original japanese dubs! It's the darnedest thing! |
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| HunteRS | Oct 27 2007, 09:15 AM Post #6 |
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Power is all that is needed.
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You know I see what he's saying-and it's true. BUT-If it hadn't been for fansubbers and people "Pirating" anime like 20 odd years ago then I doubt I for one would have heard of it, and many others probably too. Hell, I'm sure 50% of the more obscure anime wouldn't have half the audience if it weren't for people downloading raws and translating. And yes English dubs have got better shake but there are still crimes against humanity-See Naruto and One piece for a start. |
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| Master Shake | Oct 27 2007, 04:38 PM Post #7 |
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Scootaloo! We have to cook!
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What's bad about the Naruto dub (Hint: "Believe it" is not a valid complaint, considering the every-other-sentence use of "Dattebayo" in the japanese dub)? As for One Piece, the new dub is far superior to the 4kids one. |
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| Dark Comet | Oct 27 2007, 05:47 PM Post #8 |
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Hoo am I
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*scurries off to Youtube to check* *returns dazed and completly awesom'd out* Yes. Yes I agree. |
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| HunteRS | Oct 27 2007, 09:07 PM Post #9 |
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Power is all that is needed.
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Well it was the 4kids one I was talking about. As for Naruto-Kakasi, Lee and several Minors sound (to me) crap. But that might just be me. |
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| Sabre_Justice | Oct 28 2007, 12:30 AM Post #10 |
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Ask me about very angry cats
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Ten years ago? Back then I was 7 years old, trying to imitate Calvin with my toy truck and cardboard box and watching the occasional ep of Samurai Pizza Cats. I thought dubs had been pretty atrocious up til pretty recently... |
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| Silversword | Oct 28 2007, 12:53 AM Post #11 |
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your soul is mine
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How about where Naruto sounds like an old woman? |
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| Mecheon | Oct 28 2007, 11:29 AM Post #12 |
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Nerf Blood Elves kthx
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Oh please. They're HARDLY crimes against humanity when compared to Japan's complete and utter slaughter of Beast Wars Not only did they replace key character traits (Turning Megatron from a villian who was pretty much always in control, to a bumbling idiot, for example), they turned Airrazor into a male AIRRAZOR. INTO. A. BOY If an English dub ever comes along that destroys characterisation of characters for the sake of humor, and change the godsdamn GENDERS of characters, regardless of the freaking romantic plotline, THEN you can say there's a crime against humanity in there. But until then, your argument fails. Go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200 |
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| HunteRS | Oct 28 2007, 12:56 PM Post #13 |
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Power is all that is needed.
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True but the directors got the message from the fans PDQ and Beast Machines was nothing short of epicness in original-not to say the English dub was bad though |
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| Hercule Pyro | Oct 28 2007, 03:47 PM Post #14 |
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You've done some terrible things, Mister Harry
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Well Mecheon, there was the English dub of Cybertron, where Nitro Convoy was turned into a girl. That being said, Overide is one of the better female Transformers (Along with Airrazor and BW Black Arachnia) simply because she doesn't look or act like a pastel-hued ditz. What the Japanese did to Rattrap is an act of war, though. He went from being a cocky, smart-mouthed arsehole with a blatant disregard for anyone but himself to PIKACHU. That, along with Kissplay, is grounds for them to never be allowed to touch the Transformer franchise, ever, ever again. |
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| Sabre_Justice | Oct 28 2007, 08:37 PM Post #15 |
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Ask me about very angry cats
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Maybe Bay had it right in making Bumblebee mute. The current gen's yellow hotshot rarely has anything good to say. |
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| Digitalpotato | Oct 28 2007, 11:04 PM Post #16 |
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Rank of Some Significance
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...Well of course people are going to illegally watch fansubs. Who's willing to spend the money to import DVDs from Japan or get DVDs that only have like three or four episodes? I personally think it's a ripoff considering how long some series are. They can include more if the average DVD has enough disc space for all that excess junk like "Deleted Scenes", "The creation of this movie" that nobody even watches. :<_<:
FINALLY someone who actually has some SENSE. I personally think it takes away from an atmosphere created when the characters are in battle and sound like they're screeching munchkins or like text-to-speech programs. ...and I'm referring to your precious japanese voice actors. Plus, be thankful you never have to sit through some of those dubs in other countries, many of which are far worse. ("HELLO I AM...LUFFY AND I...AM BEING CUT TO TALK...ONLY WHEN MY MOUTH IS...MOVING!") |
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| The Virus | Oct 29 2007, 07:14 PM Post #17 |
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Keepin it odd like a motherfucking gastropod
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I'm of the opinion that for many people who pirate it's a choice between piracy or not buying it. They either literally can't afford it, or they would just refuse to pay the asking price. In which case the anime producer hasn't 'lost' a sale, as such. They wouldn't have bought it at all if piracy didn't exist, so either way, the anime company isn't getting any money from that person. Does that make downloading free anime okay? Well no, it's still 'wrong' ethically, but to suggest it is causing the death of the industry is pushing it a bit. I shall shed a tear for the poor anime director living rough on the street, wishing that just one person in the world, out of all the piraters, would buy a legitimate copy of his latest release so he could afford a bowl of ramen. Face it: lots of people buy legit, enough to keep the companies in profit; they just wish more would so they could make more profit. Which is fair enough, that's what business is about. Just don't try to make out that you're a starving artist on the verge of bankruptcy. The idea of buying all volumes of a series, each containing 3-4 episodes, as full-priced DVDs quite frankly galls me. Let's see, Fullmetal Alchemist, on Amazon there's 13 volumes, going for around a tenner each (and that's down from RRP of £16). In case you can't quite figure the maths on that, that's getting on for a hundred and thirty quid, more than two hundred and sixty US dollars, for the full series (lets not even contemplate the full RRP). Bollocks. To. That. So I borrowed FMA off a mate, and stiffed the anime companies out of £130 they were never going to get from me anyway. It may even have been a bootleg. I dunno what he paid for it, but think it was region 0, and the cases were fold out jobs containing three discs each. I've got a couple of similar sets from eBay, and if they are indeed the knockoffs I suspect they are, then they're surprisingly high quality ones. Which poses the question that if the bootleggers can turn a profit at dirt-cheap prices, then why can't the anime companies price a box set competitively? I'd like to buy legit. But prices are prohibitive. |
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| LGHunter | Oct 31 2007, 01:13 AM Post #18 |
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Lost and tired...
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I agree with Virus on the whole bootleg thing. My sister's friend bought the legit box copy of Trigun, and paid about $120 CDN on it. I bought it for my sister for $80 in Chinatown for xmas one year. That's almost HALF THE COST OF THE LEGIT! I would LOVE to buy legit and support the creators, but as Virus stated above, the prices are exorbitant for the little they give us, and the availability of the titles that we want just aren't available (or haven't been released yet on the mainstream market) at, let's say, HMV or Blockbuster, or any other video store. For the most part, I'm of the "it's there, it's free, I'm taking it" school of downloading anime and mp3s. |
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| Dragoon-Darkfire | Nov 1 2007, 12:37 AM Post #19 |
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CAN'T TOUCH THIS!
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OK opinion 1 on bootlegging and downloads. Really a LOT of anime is just shit or mediocre. Lots of it pedo rubbish or sex appeal and most lack half-way decent plot and I can only watch them to pass my boring existence. Suffice to say, the ones that I DO like or find to be delightfully funny and entertaining are the ones I might fudge out the money for... as long as they aren't an overly long series. Example: I love Gurren Lagann (recent anime, good animation [save number 4 and a few other outsourced episodes] and nice characters) and I'll probably buy the DVD when it's released here in Canada. Just so I can hear the dub. The thing is since MOST anime is crap so I wouldn't pay for it even if you put a gun up against my head. Japanese people have the distinct pleasure of being able to watch it for free on their TV sets so they can actually form a valid opinion without looking at the money they wastes and go- "I can't believe I paid for this shit." So really I download anime to see if it's good or not and if I'm impressed then I might consider buying it. On the subject of dubs. I like dubs... OK I admit that there are some DREADFUL examples out there but recent editions have been pretty decent. I remember watching the dub of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumya and actually saying- "That WOULD be her voice if it was English." So really I'm OK with dubs mostly. And it isn't Voice Actors that ruin dubs to those in the know: It's the dialog. There are certain sentences that sound awesome in Japanese but sound fucktarded in English and it's up to companies to alter that dialog (or edit out Pop-Culture references we American types wouldn't get) so it actually sounds half way decent or interesting to the listener. So really it's lazy translators that ruin anime. That and weeaboo's that shout out "THEY RUINED THE ORIGINAL WORK!!!!111!" while failing to grasp that certain things just plain suck when said in English.
Oh that reminds me of a dub of Pinky and the Brain that I heard. I doubt it was anything more than a Fan-dub but I couldn't help but laugh over the fact that they were trying to take over Dio's Stand. ... now I'm gonna go cut myself cause I'm probably the only person here to get that reference. |
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| HunteRS | Nov 1 2007, 05:30 PM Post #20 |
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Power is all that is needed.
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If that means what I think it means...I must see this. |
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| Mega Raptor | Nov 1 2007, 08:14 PM Post #21 |
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Chaos Cultist
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I'd just like to point out one thing about the DVD market quickly. In Japan, it's not unheard of to buy OVA releases a -single- episode at a time, on DVD, at nearly the same price. |
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| Dragoon-Darkfire | Nov 2 2007, 01:07 AM Post #22 |
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CAN'T TOUCH THIS!
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I know this but MOST OVA's are of fairly decent quality. Not to mention that a good majority of anime are based off on manga or light novels so really it can also be a case of "OH! I liked the manga/light novel so maybe I'll like this!" in the same way that fans of Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings or Marvel Comics go see the movies despite the fact that they have to pay in order to watch it and there's a definite possibility it'll suck. |
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| Mega Raptor | Nov 2 2007, 02:17 AM Post #23 |
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Chaos Cultist
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I'm not arguing the quality at all, I'm simply saying that there's little room to bitch and moan about the prices of -imported- goods that go through several additional layers of work before we receive them, when people living in the country of origin are shafted even worse. |
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| Sabre_Justice | Nov 2 2007, 02:33 AM Post #24 |
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Ask me about very angry cats
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...like I needed any more reasons to think the Japanese are insane. |
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| LGHunter | Nov 2 2007, 02:39 AM Post #25 |
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Lost and tired...
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Ok, I understand that. It's one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't/six of one half a dozen of the other/any other cliché like that things. So really, I shouldn't be saying anything. But then, I am such a hypocrite. Par for the course, really. :rolleyes: And actually, I'm totally with the "try before you buy" trend of animé downloading. If it's really good, I'll go out and buy the dvds. |
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