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ID Cards; Good Or Bad
Topic Started: Feb 21 2006, 09:06 PM (309 Views)
Djinchao
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This may only apply to people who live in Britain but I was told that people in America also have them. ID cards what are your views?
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Hercule Pyro
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Blairs putting the national back into socialist with it.

They WON'T stop terrorism. The information on them can be acquired by police already. They will HELP identify theft as they will be "cracked" within a year. They are expensive, uneeded and seem to be just another cynical attempt to drag us into a police state.
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Evil Cleric
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Not happening in America as far as I know. The closest we have to that are our drivers licenses.
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Silversword
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I have no idea, I'm not known for paying enough attention.
Somebody care to explain something?
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SilverSword,Feb 21 2006
10:01 PM
I have no idea, I'm not known for paying enough attention.
Somebody care to explain something?

We pay the Government a lot of money.

They give us a little card with info we have on our other ID's anyway.


Thats pretty much how its working right now.
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Felix
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Basically, you're being asked (or rather forced) to pay anywhere between £80 to £300 for a card that will register EVRYTHING you do on a national database that can be accessed by the government - everything from what books you rent from the library to your hospital treatments. It uses a system that works roughly 20% of the time, going by the last test, and simply adds another layer in which your identity can be stolen. As Eastwood pointed out, they would not stop terrorism (they certainly wouldn't have stopped the July 7th attacks), and also you would have to buy a new one every time one of your details changes (eg. moving house, which happens alot when you're a student).

I apologise for getting all political party but frankly the only party that have consistently stood against them is the Liberal Democrats. Despite what they may claim with Cameron in charge (though his position changes every week), the Tories cannot make up their mind, even though they're supposed to be the ones actually opposing the government!

Sorry for ranting, this is an issue that really makes my blood boil. It's one of the lowest points of the Labour government, and frankly that's saying something.
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Dark Comet
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So... anyone who is living on the street, just arrived in the country, or generally has no money will be unable to get them?

Smart thinking government. Way to be more Tory than the Tories!
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HunteRS
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We have nothing to fear. The government can't tell the difference between it's arse and it's elbow on this one. Figures keep fluctuating, Contracts get promised, then rescinded andGordon Brown isn't too keen on it either. Highly unlikely that this government will get the motion passed.

Still they are a bloody waste of money-that YOU'D have to pay for. That's right, not from taxation, you would have to go to the ATM and take out £300 and buy one. Yay for progress, yay for security and YAY for new Labour! Britain Uber Alles!
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Felix,Feb 21 2006
10:23 PM
Basically, you're being asked (or rather forced) to pay anywhere between £80 to £300 for a card that will register EVRYTHING you do on a national database that can be accessed by the government - everything from what books you rent from the library to your hospital treatments.

That sounds a lot like what they're going to do to our passports - estimated price 56 Euros (should be just about 40 pounds) and will include a big bunch of biometrical nonsense. Am I lucky that my current one will remain legal for another nine years.

And to registering things you do: Doesn't American Express (or any similar service) do that already? The point is: It's not the collection of data that's problematic, but the possibility of somebody getting his hands on it who's not supposed to.
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I'm gonna play Devil's advocate a little here, now I don't agree with the ID cards as they're overpriced and not nearly a secure as they need to be but I would go for the DNA register, just one small sample at birth or something like and a quick test (hell I did a DNA reading at GCSE).

DNA has helped the police track down and convict many criminals before but only if they've been found or convicted before, this system would also act as a strong deterrant too.

But looking from the other side as well, I can see how it could be used as a wedge to help introduce more "Big Brother" style legislations such as the ID card.
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Baziron,Feb 22 2006
12:18 PM
And to registering things you do: Doesn't American Express (or any similar service) do that already? The point is: It's not the collection of data that's problematic, but the possibility of somebody getting his hands on it who's not supposed to.

Oh, absolutely yes. The problem with the data records is that anyone can access them. Also consider, this current government may not misuse the information, but can we trust a future government that may come in the future?

To Vigilante: I'm not particularly concerned about my DNA being on record. I don't think that's too different from peoples fingerprints being taken. It's simply the problems mentioned above, over other information that will be recorded and open for abuse.
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PoisonedAl
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The small TINY fact that a number of private companies will have access to the information (which they often forget to mention for some reason) means that the home office can shove their ID card up their arse! Yes, I REALLY want to pay for some overpaid government contractor to send me shit in the post!
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And now it is said that the card will be fitted with a minute radio transmitter, enabling people on the other end to see EXACTLY where you are at any time.

Right. Yes. Hmm. Perfectly normal, no way to be exploited at all, Orwell got it wrong and we're not living in an up-and-coming Police State. No need to panic. Nosiree.
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Eastwood,Feb 21 2006
09:20 PM
Blairs putting the national back into socialist with it.

Brilliant quote (roughly), wouldn't you say?

And these ID cards are a waste of money and proof of Labour's insnae paranoia and wanton control of every citizen of this country.
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Hercule Pyro
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Feldoon,Feb 22 2006
06:14 PM
Brilliant quote (roughly), wouldn't you say?

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HunteRS
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God that really should be made into a T-shirt. Along with my own idea for one later:
" I WENT TO THE GULF AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS SHITTY SYNDROME."
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Eastwood,Feb 23 2006
12:08 AM
Feldoon,Feb 22 2006
06:14 PM
Brilliant quote (roughly), wouldn't you say?

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*is busily trying to find topic where I told you about that damn quote*

EDIT: *has found*

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Reaper
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Worst thing about it is every member of the family needs one seperatly that means £300 EACH the dirty goverment bastards...
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Reaper,Feb 25 2006
07:59 AM
Worst thing about it is every member of the family needs one seperatly that means £300 EACH the dirty goverment bastards...

Which, logic dictates, should come from taxes, seeing as that is money from Joe Schmuk.
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I had an I.D. card when I was growing up in Belgium. Since I was a st00pid nub of a kid back then, I paid no attention to politics. Is there anyone better informed than I who knows how ID cards are doing on the continent?
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XanderMorhaime
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Well, we have ID cards in Poland, though they don't contain anywhere near the amount of information as the proposed UK ones are supposed to. And they're somewhat cheaper, if I recall. In other words, nobody around here complains about them.
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XanderMorhaime,Feb 25 2006
07:33 PM
Well, we have ID cards in Poland, though they don't contain anywhere near the amount of information as the proposed UK ones are supposed to. And they're somewhat cheaper, if I recall. In other words, nobody around here complains about them.

You can currently get a vast number of those types of I.D. cards over here, but they're not mandatory. Just helpful.

Hell, I have on to prove my age. With a 2-year-out-of-date picture in which my face looks really fat. Methinks that's good for nothing.
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This is all true. But you know how they'll have all the finger print and iris stuff, turns out for some people, eg, people with brown eyes, it won't work

Which means for about a third of the country, (Including all the other problems) it won't work. So basically thats 1000's of pounds to waste because of faults in the system
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