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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 19 2006, 02:15 PM (421 Views) | |
| Major Maxillary | Feb 19 2006, 02:15 PM Post #1 |
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Anarcho-Fascist
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Read, then discuss. |
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| Artificer | Feb 19 2006, 03:24 PM Post #2 |
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Lord of Unfulfilled Ambitions
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Conclusion: All men are equally contemptible. |
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| HunteRS | Feb 19 2006, 04:15 PM Post #3 |
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Power is all that is needed.
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Urgh. So many things to say...Though one quick point-I've read this guys articles before and he comes across in many of them like a 1st grade prick. In some senses Muslims are right. For instance the Palestine subject-now the Jews have been royally fucked over for generations and deserve somewhere to live. But they were just dumped in the Palestinians back yard with no consultation. Why? Because God promised them that land in the Torah/Bible-yet another load of bloodshed that worthless tome has caused. And anyway-THAT'S the promised land? It's a load of Sand and rocks. I'd have a word with God if I were Jewish. Also they are right about the levels of discrimination and harrasment of Muslims. "Islamaphobia" is what the British news calls it and seems completely alright. If you cross the road to avoid a large group of asian youths it seems perfectly acceptable wheras doing the same with a group of young black men is frowned upon (and rightly so.) HOWEVER Muslims are not making thier case very well are they? At the protest against the cartoon there were signs like thisPosted Image and thisPosted Image Way to make a statement, eh? We're not bloodthirsty maniacs-but we'll murder anyone who questions our God.Another sign at the protest read "Ban free speech" Fair enough mate-we'll do that then have our new Ultra Fascist police fire into your crowds and round you up for execution. Harsh? Maybe but it seems many Muslims want the cake and to eatit (By that I mean-live in a free country with a good economy-But everyone must fear and respect Islam or else!!" Islam it seems is going through a phase similar to Christianity during the Inquisition. It's just they are not the dominant power in the world so they cannot order mass murder. (Appart from terrorist cells but you know what I mean.) The cartoon itself-how may of you have seen them? To me they're fairly funny but not that great (say compared to Dilbert.) To me-it seems as if muslims can't take a joke-Every other religion can take it fairly well, why not them? In conclusion-Is the West the seat of all evil-No. We may have done some terrible things (Hiroshima,Enslaving whle countrys, Producing Beverly Hills 90210..) but we have had a very different background historically from Islamic nations. Maybe (just maybe) this cultural divide is too great and we should all leave each other alone. Appologies for the jumbled nature of this post-I'm kind of tired. Written by an angry man, in a bunker, in Russia. |
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| Major Maxillary | Feb 19 2006, 05:24 PM Post #4 |
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Although I agree with most of your post, Hunter, I have a few things to say, and a few questions. Firstly, I feel that The Israelis deserve Israel on the following basis; -The Jews do have ancestral ties to that lans, as it was once Judea or however it's spelt, while the Palestinians are just transient Arabs that nobody else wants, and basically just squatted there. This isn't much of a reasopn, but let's just keep it in perspective. -They have been able to maintain their borders, and even expand, in spite of the fact that the entire region has dedicated itself to their destruction. my philosophy on this can be summed up as "If you can keep it, you deserve it, if you can take it, it's yours, if you can't, it was never yours to have." -Nobody likes the Palestinians. not even other muslims like them. the only reason they get the support they do is because they're fighting "the Jews." Now let's leave this issue alone lest we hijack the thread. second, Asians!? since when have Asians been intimidating? i have never once seen a chinese dude and thought "Woah, I better get out of his way, he might use his gung-phu on me!" seriousley, please clarify. The way I see it, Islam is just trying to foster a victim mentality. They want everyone to bow to their will and will not stop throwing tantrums until we do. What's needed is for someone to step up and give them all a collective spanking to show them they need to shut the fuck up and do their chores. They complain that they don't produce as much goods as the west, then they pray seven times a day and have huge ass holidays, sometimes actually restricting their diet, keeping them from nurishing their brains. Don't blame me for your failures, Ahmed Mohammed Al-Rasheed al-Jazib al-bazzar. |
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| Hercule Pyro | Feb 19 2006, 06:18 PM Post #5 |
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You've done some terrible things, Mister Harry
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Meh. Simple as this really, both sides are dominated by ignorant pricks who refuse to back down when they know they're in the wrong. You have the loudmouth prats who're protesting, but I tend to lump them into the same catergory as those amongst Christianity who bomb abortion clinics, and otherwise try to turn sane nations into theocracies. They're the loudest and the most easy to see, so you assume everyone is a nutter. There are plenty of Muslims in the West who distance themselves from the nutters and are the first to condemn prats like the ones protesting against the cartoons, like the many Christians who are respectable, moderate and reasonable who distance themselves from the fire-and-brimstone Bible-thumpers. You never see these guys because they don't draw attention to themselves, because they have no reason to. Hell, I was taught Law by a Muslim, and he was one of the most paitent, sane and good-humoured men I've met (Considering I was so shit at the subject, this speaks volumes for the mans paitence). Though the cartoons WERE offensive. Not in that they depicted the Prophet. Becuase they basically showed the figurehead of their religion as a psychotic murderer. The cartoons WEREN'T funny, they WEREN'T about free speech, they were just racist scribblings designed to provoke a response and stir shit. You have the right to free speech, but abusing that in the way those cartoons did is borderline to what the BNP does, and what the racist, psychotic Islamic fundies do when they publish less than flattering cartoons about Christianity, Judaism and the West in general. We keep saying we're better than them, and we are, but shit like those cartoons doesn't help our moral high ground. I don't think the problem is with the religion so much as the fact the religion is running countries. A Christian theocracy out there would be just as bad, as the problem is you have people running a modern nation using laws taken from an ancient religous book, and the power-hungry cunts who enforce their will on a nation because of it. It's just a dictatorship using an old and peaceful religion to justify not moving into the modern era. The thing Islam needs to do, really, is lighten up and move forward. It needs to grow and change, to accept we can't keep living like we did over five-hundred years ago. Christianity has done this, though people like Dubya don't help its image. Personally, I'd be fine to let them go on, living in the past as long as they didn't throw hissies when we criticise them for it. Sadly, I see this reaching the point when they're going to hit us, as nations, rather than as ragged little cowards. In which case we're going to have hit back, and hard. I don't want to see that. I really don't. But unless they learn to move with the fucking times, we're going to see bigger problems down the road. Major - Asians in the UK context mean those of Indian descent. In the more delapidated areas, typically up north, there have been incidents with gangs of them. They're basically as bad as Chavs at times, though are far less common. Also, your comment on "restricting their diet and not nourishing their brains" is frankly a load of old goats testicles. By that logic, Americans weened on a diet of junk food and additive-laced beverages must be brainless sacks of fat. And we know that isn't the case. |
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| Feldoon | Feb 19 2006, 06:51 PM Post #6 |
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DYEL
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I read the Sunday Telegraph (British) today. It had a rather large feature about this and similar subjects. An opinion poll was even taken, showing that around 20% of British Muslims sypmathised with the London Bombers of 7/7 and the attempts of 21/7. What are those people still doing free? Now, I have nothing against Muslims, nor any other group/minority/applicable namesake. I have a problem with fundies, whomever they may be. The shitstirers, wind-up merchants. Including the recently jailed Abu-Hamza (which the ST's opinion poll pointed to around 40%-or-so (can't quite remember) disagreeing with his imprisonment). Those are the ones that should be watched and/or taught a lesson, as East rightly mentioned. And, as a side-note, around 40% of British Muslims wanted shira (sp?) law invoked in areas of Britain that are "predominately muslim". Now, this law happens to be the ritualistic killing of Muslims who convert away from Islam. Now, is such a law even applicable in a supposed land of freedom? No, as mentioned above by East, these people need to move with the times and not slay those who disagree with others. Religion was a form of power. Today, not so. |
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| Major Maxillary | Feb 19 2006, 07:29 PM Post #7 |
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When I think of Indian I think of the friendly Hindu dude who drives that one taxi around here. Why don't they just say "Indian?" By "Restricting their diet" I mean "fasting." It's proven fact that breakfast is the most important meal of the day. as it kickstarts the metabolism and get's the brain working. Also, I think that it's just silly to base your piousness on deprivation. |
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| Legion | Feb 19 2006, 08:54 PM Post #8 |
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Mongrel Student
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I always thought that the brain kept working 24/7. You know, for breathing and that. Shows what I know. Generally, the tabloids like to lump 'the foreign lot' into a big camps. Basically, 'white', 'black' and 'Asian'. Keeps them from having to use subtlety. They're not very good at that you see. If they feel like stirring shit, they'll replace 'Asian' with 'Paki'. You know, just to rile up the racist gits reading their crap. There is still racism in Britain. It just generally tries to pretend it's not. When the tabloids feel like doing this, they can simply replace 'Asian/Paki' with 'Muslim'. They're not fussy. That's the large part of my rant over. Now, East's more or less summed up my views, although I lean slightly over to the namby-pamby liberal side of his argument. :P |
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| Baziron | Feb 20 2006, 01:23 PM Post #9 |
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Linguishtick Powaz
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Not quite - yes, it never goes offline, but the part you use conciously does, and thus you are better off kickstarting it. The rest runs on autopilot. It would be too bad if you died from suffocation due to being narcotised (Sorry, lacking the technical term here), which does happen to some animals. @Tabloids: From my continental point of view, the British have some of the ... hm... nastiest tabloid newspapers on sale (and we're stuck with the most stupid...). |
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| Hercule Pyro | Feb 20 2006, 01:31 PM Post #10 |
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You've done some terrible things, Mister Harry
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I wouldn't call most of them newspapers, it only encourages them. |
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| HunteRS | Feb 20 2006, 03:13 PM Post #11 |
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Power is all that is needed.
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I always considered the Sport et al as emergency bog wipe....
Sadly that is the price we pay for living in a Democratic and free society. Practicality says to start outfitting the police like the Helghast from Killzone and start beating these people with electro shock battons. Or putting them against the wall and blowing them away. But that is what seperates "Us" from "Them" (Note the quote marks) We are generally people who try to tolerate other cultures. It takes an almighty prick to goad us into war most of the time (Hitler, Kim Il Sung) but it's worrying to think that if more attacks happen then extremists like the BNP will gain more power.
Sharia (I think that's how it's spelled) law also has some nice things to say about women-things that if any of us tried we'd have our balls handed to us by the ladies. But wanting your own law in parts where there's lots of you? Most British ex-pats in Muslim counties are generally very discreet and follow the law fairly levelly. They keep thier Christmas decorations discreet and the women often wear headdresses. If that's the case maybe we should enforce our law on British Muslims? Of course not. But still...practicallity has a seductive voice... |
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| Major Maxillary | Feb 20 2006, 04:06 PM Post #12 |
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They live in Your country, they obey your laws, you live in their country, you obey their laws. When in rome, do as the romans do. Rend unto cesar what is cesar's, rend unto God what is god's. |
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| HunteRS | Feb 20 2006, 04:39 PM Post #13 |
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Power is all that is needed.
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Dammit I should have put it like that. Would have been quicker. |
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| Lothar Hex | Feb 20 2006, 04:42 PM Post #14 |
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Illogical
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I know we Brits joke about America, but truthfully, there's a lot of worse countries out there. |
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| Major Maxillary | Feb 20 2006, 05:56 PM Post #15 |
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There aren't too many countries that are better, many that are more or less equal, but few better in the sense of personal liberties and freedom. |
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| red demon | Feb 20 2006, 06:51 PM Post #16 |
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Rank of Some Significance
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Yea. America does have some good people in it. Not only that but there economy is strong and there military is good... (only because of the nuclear bomb though) |
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| Lothar Hex | Feb 20 2006, 06:54 PM Post #17 |
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Illogical
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You realise America isn't the only nuclear power right? I mean for fuck's sake, we have them. The reason the US military is "good" is because the US Government couldn't give it any more money if it wanted. Now if only it could stop its troops shooting each other and their allies, and realising smooth bore barrels and far less effective than rifled ones. |
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| Felix | Feb 20 2006, 07:21 PM Post #18 |
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Propagandist
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Actually, it's interesting this was brought up as my uni (UEA) are having a debate on whether freedom of speech should always be allowed - effectively over the cartoons. Members of the Unions Islamic Society will be opposing the motion. It should be very interesting. Religious fundamentalism in politics is something that really interests me (I wrote an essay on it last year). I think that fundamentalists who want to live in liberal democracies such as Britain and America have to accept the rights that people are given in these nations, such as freedom of speech. Having said that, anyone who is against the protesting (disgusting as some of it is) should bear in mind that the fundamentalists are simply using their freedom of speech too, and have a right to do so. Also, it should be kept in mind the Danish paper did not print those cartoons out of racism. They printed them as part of a string of features on self-censorship, and offered out contracts to a bunch of cartoonists 'daring' them to print the cartoons. In addition, the paper in question previously only had a very small readership, so also may well have printed them simply to increase sales in a shock tactic (it worked!). I would like to think that I would have the sensitivity not to print such insulting pictures. However, as Voltaire said 'I diagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death your right to say it.' Therefore, I standby the newspapers right to print these cartoons. |
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| Major Maxillary | Feb 21 2006, 05:05 AM Post #19 |
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RIFLING!? We don't need no stinkin' rifling! Posted Image For the record, the L22 smoothebore is german. Also, on may M1S2's the Armor is British. @ the fratricide; We're getting better at that. You should have seen the Freiendly fire rates in Vietnam. Hoo-boy those where embarrassing! |
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| Baziron | Feb 21 2006, 11:42 AM Post #20 |
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Linguishtick Powaz
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So what should I say instead? I mean, I do know a lot of alternate (swear) words for tabloids, but I can't tell which are within acceptable limits (of, for example, this forum). |
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| Major Maxillary | Feb 21 2006, 01:24 PM Post #21 |
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You could call them tabloids? |
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| sephirothq | Feb 21 2006, 01:37 PM Post #22 |
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Blood! There's blood in my pants!!!
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I just think the situation is handled inappropriately. Over a cartoon? C'mon. If someone made a cartoon about my religion, saying that all christians are homophobes and racists, I'd just make a cartoon about theirs, criticizing them in the same ways. You'll typically find that certain members of most religions are racists, biggots, homophobes, etc. and it is true that there are plenty of things that Islam could say about the Christian religion and the US government. But to respond with death threats, car-bombings, and riots is an inappropriate reaction. |
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| Hercule Pyro | Feb 21 2006, 03:45 PM Post #23 |
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You've done some terrible things, Mister Harry
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I think the term "rag" pretty much covers it. |
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| Felix | Feb 21 2006, 10:32 PM Post #24 |
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Propagandist
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It should be remembered though that this is only a very small and very vocal number of Muslims. Whilst I'm not suggesting that most Muslims like the cartoons, at least their argumens are not violent or racist, but insteat rational and justified. Unfortunately, it's always the vocal groups in a religion who cause alot of trouble for the rest. |
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| Major Maxillary | Feb 22 2006, 07:04 AM Post #25 |
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if the folks rioting are the minority, there would have to be one big assed majority. |
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