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Bullshit!; Pen and Teller discuss PETA
Topic Started: Feb 10 2006, 05:53 PM (808 Views)
Major Maxillary
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http://www.wimp.com/petaprotest/

Wow. that's scary.

really makes you wan't to eat a big assed hamburger.

or some blood pudding.

or Mountain oysters.
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Yay Pen and Teller.
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OMG P.E.T.A should be locked up and never let out. One way we can stop animal testing, is if we test products ON P.E.T.A.

I also love the way they wore fur and lether.
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Djinchao,Feb 10 2006
06:19 PM
OMG P.E.T.A should be locked up and never let out. One way we can stop animal testing, is if we test products ON P.E.T.A.

I also love the way they wore fur and lether.

I'll tell you what we should do;

Hunt PETA down like animals and force them to fight for my amusement.

Or let Grizzly bears maul them, either is fine.
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Major Maxillary,Feb 10 2006
06:33 PM
I'll tell you what we should do;

Hunt PETA down like animals and force them to fight for my amusement.

Or let Grizzly bears maul them, either is fine.

Amen to that.
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Major Maxillary,Feb 10 2006
01:33 PM
Or let Grizzly bears maul them, either is fine.

Irony at its finest. I would pay to see that.

But that IS really scary. The founder's message at the end sounds like some sort of creepy brainwashing. *shudders*

The one thing that got me the most, though... the fact that they're comparing animal treatment to things like slavery and the holocaust is absolutely sickening. When they showed that part I was absolutely mortified. These people are nucking futs.

I'm all for fighting against animal cruelty (although my definition must be far different from PETA's), but don't sit there and try to tell me that a dog (for example) has the same rights as I do. There is a reason why we even CAN keep dogs as pets. It's because humans are a dominant species. I don't see any dogs keeping humans as pets, but that seems to be the ending that PETA's fighting for.

And now if you'll excuse me, I need to go throw on my leather boots and jacket and trudge up to the dining hall for some pork.
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Reminds me of the justice given to the ego-terrorists in Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six. After a failed plan to spread a supervirus, Rainbow made them strip down to nothing and left them alone in S-America rainforest.

That is exacly what should be done to PETA. They want nature, let's give them one.
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Interesting yet worrying that such groups do exist. Good program though.

*saves link.
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Hee hee, they wore leather!

This kind of reminds me of that group here in England that was attacking a lab in Cambridge (I think it was there) because of animal testing. But it was for medical stuff. No offense, but given the choice between a few rats living and a cure to cancer, I know where I stand.
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P.E.T.A: Spouting more bullshit every day than the anti-videogame people do in a year.

What scared me most was that P.E.T.A bought a fridge to store dead bodies in. Sure it was "animal bodies" they were suposedly putting in their but we all know the truth...P.E.T.A probably killed a bunch of people that had pets and stored their bodies underneath the animal bodies! :blink: Better grab a weapon. It's gonna be on long battle.

In all seriousness: A tenth of P.E.T.A is stupider than twenty times the entire anti-videogaming population and that is saying something. To all members of P.E.T.A out there: I have pets, I eat beef, pork, chicken, and turkey, and I also happen to have helped gut a deer. So until you show me one of these animals is as intelligent as Albert Einstein or some other brilliant scientist, than I suggest you shut the f*** up.

Also that Ray Coronado guy is probably the most mentally psychotic person in the world. A probable conversation with him would be like this

Interviewer: Ok, you admitted to arson charges. Is this true?
Ray Coronado: KiLl! MuRdEr TeH bAbIeS! RaPe EvErYoNe! Me So StUpId!
Interviewer: Ok, that's a yes. Onto the next question. If I were to tell you I eat ham for dinner everyday and that I also have a leather belt, what would you do?
Ray Coronado: YoU aRe TeH sIcK bAsTaRd! Me WiLl NoW bOmB yOuR hOuSe!*does so*


Sorry about typing like that but I needed something to use that wasn't sane.

Two edits in the same hour...Gotta be a record...

Still. P.E.T.A has the most hypocritical leaders in existance. Also P.E.T.A happens to kill animals and at the same time oppose that... :blink: P.E.T.A is so stupid. And if P.E.T.A wins then they might as well kiss their own asses good bye, because I will personally go up to each and every one of their doors and torture them by forcing them to watch a kitten die over and over and over for a month. The bail being their own suicide or homicide of everyone that is in P.E.T.A
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Elizar,Feb 10 2006
10:07 PM
Reminds me of the justice given to the ego-terrorists in Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six. After a failed plan to spread a supervirus, Rainbow made them strip down to nothing and left them alone in S-America rainforest.

That is exacly what should be done to PETA. They want nature, let's give them one.

hahaha nice one
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Alright. Now, let me see. I couldn't get very far into that, it made fear burn in my bosom.
Or perhaps that's a resperatory infection.
Anyway, that is the most rediculous, most appauling thing I have ever seen as of late (and I am watching political bloopers). Yes, there is irony in how they wore leather. Let me happily inform everyone that I am no longer a vegetarian. Anyways, P.E.T.A. is in insult to 'ethical animal treatment' activists all over America. A good friend of mine has a better idea of the ethical treatment of animals than they do. Also noting that she is fifteen and not a radical left wing, judgemental idiot like the speakers in the video. Now, let me say, yes, I love animals. I am against their mistreatment. It is sad that we as humans cannot control our own fate yet when we own animals, we control their fate.
Que sera sera. If an animal is obviously suffering, or will obviously not be able to survive because of a lethal disease etc... Then I suppose it is alright to keep the creature from suffering. However, there's that, then there's the circumstance in which a farmer takes a newborn calf, hoists it up into a series of harnesses and lift it off the ground so it cannot move it's body except it's neck to eat, and keeping it that way until it is time for it to be slaughtered. That is cruelty.
Kitties are cute. They are also overpopulated. Maybe instead of campaigning against people who run shelters that kill, P.E.T.A. should [more heavily] promote the spaying of cats and other pets. Hell, better yet, maybe they all ought to get a life and become vets, eh?
Makes P.E.T.A. seem no better than all these other crazy-ass right wing revolutionist, neo-conservative assholes who fight like it's life or death to get rid of abortion.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to cook some bacon.
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I never liked Viel. it's too tender. I like my meat chewy.

If you never had Venison, then you don't know what you're mising.


My defenition of animal cruelty is more along the lines of killing them in an overly painful manner, like what they do to bulls at bullfights.

but really, anyone who's seen a nature show about any preditor knows what the most common death in the wild is; getting ripped apart, often times while you're still alive, by carnivores.

compared to that, I think our livestock has it pretty damn good.

I do hate factory famrs, though. but not for any reason other than the piss poor operation of them.

lack of filth + regular excercise + good fod = happy cow

happy cow = delicious beef

delicious beef + well cooked curly fries + bottle of Black Cherry soda = one happy Major
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03:42 AM
but really, anyone who's seen a nature show about any preditor knows what the most common death in the wild is; getting ripped apart, often times while you're still alive, by carnivores.

compared to that, I think our livestock has it pretty damn good.

Truly. Standing around all day grazing is much easier than being chased down by wolves or whatnot, reason two why P.E.T.A should give it up.
If you don't mind me saying.
Also, there's one thing P.E.T.A. forgets. People don't kill animals because they feel like it. They kill animals for food. Survival, even if less primal in modern day.
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Sanguary_Animism,Feb 11 2006
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Also, there's one thing P.E.T.A. forgets. People don't kill animals because they feel like it. They kill animals for food. Survival, even if less primal in modern day.

We've domesticated ourselves to such an extent that we no longer understand the concept of survival.

An you can't understand it until you've spent a week out in the Everglades with nothing but a knife and a chicken tied to your back. If the chicken dies, YOU FAIL!
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If you never had Venison, then you don't know what you're mising.

I had venison pie once. It was very tasty. But to me, nothing will beat some good quality beef thats just been lightly heated so it's hardly cooked at all. Really rare beef is delicious.

I wonder if PETA realise that, if they acted normally, then people would actually take them seriously and be more likely to help out on occasions when animals really are treated badly.
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P.E.T.A: 0

P.E.T.A is just a bunch of nut jobs that go on three-day long nature hikes for no reason except they like to gorge on gronola.


In all seriousness P.E.T.A is just getting way out of hand, and a lot dumber than expected. Let me list they ways, shall I?

1. Their leaders are hypocrites
2. They probably kill humans and store their bodies in freezers
3. They smell of animal feces due to living in "peace and harmony" with the animals.

Ways to punish P.E.T.A members:

1.Force them to choose between killing a kitten with a shotgun or getting gored by the impeding bull elephant stampede.
2.Torture them by putting them in an iron maiden.
3.Throw them in a shark and pirhanna tank. If they still live, dunk their bodies in electrified acid. If they still live after that (must be undead), throw them into a lion pit.

The requirements with all of the tortures is watching the delicous irony of them having to kill the animals or get killed.

Please post any more ways to torture P.E.T.A as these were all I could come up with.
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TheHypnoScreenOfEN,Feb 11 2006
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Ways to punish P.E.T.A members:

1.Force them to choose between killing a kitten with a shotgun or getting gored by the impeding bull elephant stampede.
2.Torture them by putting them in an iron maiden.
3.Throw them in a shark and pirhanna tank. If they still live, dunk their bodies in electrified acid. If they still live after that (must be undead), throw them into a lion pit.

the first punishment is good, but the others are just right out. the punishment should always fit the crime.

their crime is holding beasts in higher regard than humans, which are superior.

their punishment should reflect that. and not have them die, because then they wouldn't learn anything.
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Major Maxillary,Feb 11 2006
11:22 PM
their crime is holding beasts in higher regard than humans, which are superior.

Even though we as humans declare ourselves superior, perhaps we look at what we once were, rather than what we have degenerated to become. We consider ourselves superior to the beasts, but perhaps it is the beasts that are in some way superior to us. They are wholesome, not to say without fault, but that's nature. Think about it this way...
Humans - Casual sex, alright!
Wolves - Mate for life.
Or,
Humans - Like, groaty! Go play with a razor, little tramp.
Lions - Live in integrated family groups and work together.
And I got a few more where that came from... Well label me wrong if you will, this is just a personal opinion.
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Sanguary_Animism,Feb 12 2006
04:49 PM
Even though we as humans declare ourselves superior, perhaps we look at what we once were, rather than what we have degenerated to become. We consider ourselves superior to the beasts, but perhaps it is the beasts that are in some way superior to us. They are wholesome, not to say without fault, but that's nature. Think about it this way...
Humans - Casual sex, alright!
Wolves - Mate for life.
Or,
Humans - Like, groaty! Go play with a razor, little tramp.
Lions - Live in integrated family groups and work together.
And I got a few more where that came from... Well label me wrong if you will, this is just a personal opinion.

You make the all too common mistake that Superior = better.

We are no different from all the other animals, what makes us superior is that we kill and/or eat them far more often than they kill and/or eat us.

we are higher on the food chain, and therefore we are superior.


We brougt the beasts of the field into our homes to help us, to protect us, to feed us, and to clothe us. No other animal does this but us.
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Well in that sense we are superior, but humanity still has a helluvalot to live up to.
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Sanguary_Animism,Feb 12 2006
05:27 PM
Well in that sense we are superior, but humanity still has a helluvalot to live up to.

Humanity is something that will not change however, the smug sense of satisfaction harboured by most humans, because we are superior to the beasts is totally absurd, when you consider, there are creatures who could slaughter is in an instant, and we wouldn't even know about, tese creatures live of and feed off of us, and we have all encountered them.

Say hello to bacteria folks.

Which by the definition present in superior here, they are indeed our superiors.
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Yay, extremists. Kudos to them, they make everyone else with a slight bit of resemblance to their thoughts look like blathering idiots.

@Major:

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Main Entry:  superior
Part of Speech:  adjective
Definitionbetter
Synonyms:  above, admirable, capital, choice, dandy, deluxe, distinguished, exceeding, excellent, exceptional, exclusive, expert, famous, fine, finer, first-class, first-rate, first-string, five-star, good, good quality, grander, greater, high caliber, high-class, higher, major, more advanced, more skillful, noteworthy, over, overlying, paramount, predominant, preferable, preferred, premium, prevailing, primary, remarkable, senior, superhuman, superincumbent, surpassing, unrivalled
Antonyms:  inferior, worse
SourceRoget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1) Copyright © 2006 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
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I know of another usage, like in the sentance.

"Your Superiors want to speak with you."


like Superior officer or the like. they may not nessisarily be better than you, but they are above you. hence superior. this is the way I use Superior in my post.


Rellik San,Feb 12 2006
05:37 PM
Say hello to bacteria folks.

Which by the definition present in superior here, they are indeed our superiors.


Humans domesticated animals for food, companionship, and to assist in tasks that would have otherwise been almost undoable. And all animals that we have domesticated have benefitted from it.

we have no natural preditors.


Bacteria don't keep humans as pets. nor is bacteria intelligent.
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Major Maxillary,Feb 12 2006
05:41 PM
I know of another usage, like in the sentance.

"Your Superiors want to speak with you."


like Superior officer or the like. they may not nessisarily be better than you, but they are above you. hence superior. this is the way I use Superior in my post.

Yes, I understood that as your means to counter, but my point was that, by being superior, we have shown better survival qualitys.

Therefore, to that extent, we are better than the majority of creatures.
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