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Just wanted to plug...; It seems we have similar interest...
Topic Started: Jan 24 2006, 06:19 PM (882 Views)
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Lothar Hex,Jan 24 2006
08:52 PM
Suggestions to make your site better? Just have it as a forum where you can have a proper debate, instead of edited articles that might not get put up anyway. Enforcing forum rules against racism and such isn't exactly hard.

As I said, I plan to have some direct link from the article of the main page (which changes daily, or more often pending on the submissions) to the forums. Something like http://www.gucomics.com use to do, where you read his daily webcomic on whatever and then click the comic to do to the forum dicussion. Except without the webcomic, because we lack anyone with the artistic talent.
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Kai,Jan 24 2006
08:56 PM
Of course theres no reason to do it, other than the fact that I want to. Same for your audio rants on your webcomic site. In which you just stated, "even if people didn't like them, I'd still do them." So how am I any different? :D

Actually I do those because I want to provide more entertainment to my site than just the comic, and because I like to show people what I think of certain topics.

But I try to back up any issues I bring up on my site if there is relvance. The Captain Planet rant I did to provide entertainment. The one about Dan Brown's books was to dispell the notions that his books are actually good.

You say you want this to be like a newspaper, but differant, and by differant, I mean without a point. For a start newspaper provide mainly news, not bullshit rants about people who love Pokemon. If people like Pokemon, why would they come to read one article on your site? Why not go to a pokemon site? What are people going to get from your site that they can't get anywhere else? From what I'm seeing, nothing. You might as well have a blog.
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Kai,Jan 24 2006
09:01 PM
As I said, I plan to have some direct link from the article of the main page (which changes daily, or more often pending on the submissions) to the forums. Something like http://www.gucomics.com use to do, where you read his daily webcomic on whatever and then click the comic to do to the forum dicussion. Except without the webcomic, because we lack anyone with the artistic talent.

True, but the think about GU Comics is that the comic and forums can be enjoyed seperatly. The comic provides the netertainment, and the forums provide the dicussion.

However, something like what you're suggesting shouldn't be seperated because the authors are essentially starting a debate, and the debate should be kept with that which started it. Even if it is just so people can remeber what the hell they were talking about after someone uses the Nazi's as a reference and everybody decides they're an idiot for doing so.
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Lothar Hex,Jan 24 2006
08:58 PM
However, when a debate does start you should put forward reasons for your opinion, not simply state "because I wanted to" which isn't informative at all because obviously you must have had reasons for wanting to do something. This is why you haven't been debating.

Well perhaps I jumped the gun, even more so with the forum post. But the origin of the idea is the fact that I enjoy your humor, in the comic and from the MP3 you made, and that I thought it was similar to ours.

Humor being the factor of success, I think is something we could focus on. Wether its a daily show for 5mins or even 15min shows every friday like your comic. Being that I dont know you, and couldn't possibly know of your situation of internet resources I projected the idea since I have still have plenty of space on my server, a T1 connection going to it, and the desire to push my website further.

More so, I could see your shows becoming a main feature of a website, or the website in this case. If the listeners and readers deemed it worthy enough. And I wasn't suggesting it to be hosted on just my website, where you had to browse to my website just to get to it. But if working together on it, obviously anyone would want some recognition for it.

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There, thats the quite brief idea I had float thru my head right before I made the post.
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It is wonderfully great to see how everytime Lothar lays down a solid fact you can't dodge, you seem to ignore it.


Now, lets get this down to an idea shall we? Your site, the base idea is this.

'People come in and leave opinions on things.'

The fact that you asked Lothar in the first place for the mp3's entails that this is the idea. We already have a name for such a thing. A "forum." This has been multiple times brought up.

However you add a Wiki element to it, as an article. But why would anyone wish to come to a place of multiple different opinions from all over, when 90% of them wouldnt even be carefully considered ideas on what it is they are actually talking about? All you are doing is providing somewhere to post opinions...but do not leave room that every forum in existence does. You claim them as reviews and they are not. It's hard to even pin down what it does.


As Lothar recently mentions, he does his things because A) He wants to and B) To provide a bit more entertainment. Those are done PURELY on a personal basis. Fans cant make him do one, the other crew cant make him do one. Only he can make him do one as an addition. But do we want a full site of it from loads of different people? From opinions going all over and no true way of telling reliable ways or consistency? Nah. I wouldnt use something like that. I would be smart. And go to Wiki or to a proper review site.
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Whats the point of making your site?


Well its about the same as asking why you made a webcomic in the first place, the answer will always be, because I/We wanted to. But it can always progress to something else. Gu Comics went from Woody just making weekly comics poking fun about things that happen or could happen in EverQuest. Now look at it, its progressed into exactly what you said. A Daily webcomic on random news, and a forum for discussion of the webcomic or whatever they like.

But it doesn't change the fact that people have to start somewhere, and the reason for starting is usually "because I wanted to."
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Kai,Jan 24 2006
09:11 PM
Well perhaps I jumped the gun, even more so with the forum post.  But the origin of the idea is the fact that I enjoy your humor, in the comic and from the MP3 you made, and that I thought it was similar to ours.

Except your stories aren't funny. They're just whatever anyone felt like talking about at the time. My rant about Alone in the Dark wasn't "meant" to be funny, even though I did some jokes, but somehow people are entertained by it. I wasn't entertained by your BloodRayne or other rants I read. I just thought "what the hell is he going on about?"

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Humor being the factor of success, I think is something we could focus on.  Wether its a daily show for 5mins or even 15min shows every friday like your comic.  Being that I dont know you, and couldn't possibly know of your situation of internet resources I projected the idea since I have still have plenty of space on my server, a T1 connection going to it, and the desire to push my website further.


1) I have a little thing called UNIVERSITY taking up most of my time (not at the moment as I'm between semesters). If you had read the comic you would know this as I've mentioned it enough. I frankly don't have time to do it usually.

2) You're still working under the assumption that your idea appeals to me. It doesn't as there isn't any reason to.

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More so, I could see your shows becoming a main feature of a website, or the website in this case.  If the listeners and readers deemed it worthy enough.  And I wasn't suggesting it to be hosted on just my website, where you had to browse to my website just to get to it.  But if working together on it, obviously anyone would want some recognition for it.


So the shows are supposed to ebcoem a main feature abotu a website which isn't suppsoed to be "about" anything in general? Don't you see if that happens, the site would be become "about" the mp3 rants.

And you SAID you would host the MP3s, you even put up reasons why you can host it in the first quoted piece of text in this post.

And again, working under the assumption I would agree. There's no reason for me to agree to any of this, as I don't need your help to host something I can do myself. I'm doing it partly for me and partly for the EN audience, but no one else.

You didn't even ask me before posting here, you just put the idea forward. I DO have an email address which you could have emailed with a question, to which I would have just said no, Frankly I don't know why you'd want to post this on a public forum first unless you wanted to see others peoples thoughts on it. Here's a tip don't ask your potential audience about an idea when you haven't even got the person you want to do it with signed up yet. And even if every bugger who reads EN came into this topic and said they want me to do it, I'd tell them to piss off because I don't want top for the reasons I stated.

And "because we wanted to" is not the reason for EN. When someone says they "wanted to" there are reasons behind wanting to do something. I wanted to be part of EN because I had attempted to do a sprite comic of my own because I liked the comic format and wanted to create my own. Unfortunately I have no artistic skills aside from writing, so it was shit. I joined EN because I like writing and wanted to publically display it with very good art and I was lucky because Eat, Virus, and Silv accepted me into it. "Because we wanted to" is not the reason, because we have other reasons for wanting to do it.

Now, are you fucking done trying to convince me? Or are you going to give it another couple of tries? Either way I'm not and won't be convinced.
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Retrogamer!,Jan 24 2006
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It is wonderfully great to see how everytime Lothar lays down a solid fact you can't dodge, you seem to ignore it.


And what did I mis-exactly? I have tried to counter-debate everything, but I'm not a machine if I missed something, mention it before you try and consider entering the debate.

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Now, lets get this down to an idea shall we? Your site, the base idea is this.

'People come in and leave opinions on things.'

The fact that you asked Lothar in the first place for the mp3's entails that this is the idea. We already have a name for such a thing. A "forum." This has been multiple times brought up.


Yes, and we've already cleared that topic as saying it should be more connected to the submitted article. I think you're just behind us on the reading and jumping on the post immidiately.

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However you add a Wiki element to it, as an article. But why would anyone wish to come to a place of multiple different opinions from all over, when 90% of them wouldnt even be carefully considered ideas on what it is they are actually talking about? All you are doing is providing somewhere to post opinions...but do not leave room that every forum in existence does. You claim them as reviews and they are not. It's hard to even pin down what it does.


But even Lothar admitted that Wiki can be at fault, so even its not always an accurate place for information. I call them reviews, because they are a review. Someone's expressed opinion of something is their review of it onces its expressed, leaving the opinion to still be abstract and subject to change in such a debate, thats what Lothar was pointing out earlier.

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As Lothar recently mentions, he does his things because A) He wants to and B) To provide a bit more entertainment. Those are done PURELY on a personal basis. Fans cant make him do one, the other crew cant make him do one. Only he can make him do one as an addition. But do we want a full site of it from loads of different people? From opinions going all over and no true way of telling reliable ways or consistency? Nah. I wouldnt use something like that. I would be smart. And go to Wiki or to a proper review site.


The audio would be just him. Or to even exclude him, to make it a bit more impersonal. Someone could be the "voice" of the said website, add color to the website or even bring more appeal just by curiousity sake. And if that someone is making these just because he wants to, then he doesn't really care if you go to "wiki or a proper review site" now does he?
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Kai,Jan 24 2006
09:31 PM
The audio would be just him. Or to even exclude him, to make it a bit more impersonal. Someone could be the "voice" of the said website, add color to the website or even bring more appeal just by curiousity sake. And if that someone is making these just because he wants to, then he doesn't really care if you go to "wiki or a proper review site" now does he?

Yes, but if you look at the post above yours, you will see that I DON'T want to fucking do it yet you're still bloody pestering me about it.
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Lothar Hex,Jan 24 2006
09:30 PM
You didn't even ask me before posting here, you just put the idea forward. I DO have an email address which you could have emailed with a question, to which I would have just said no, Frankly I don't know why you'd want to post this on a public forum first unless you wanted to see others peoples thoughts on it. Here's a tip don't ask your potential audience about an idea when you haven't even got the person you want to do it with signed up yet. And even if every bugger who reads EN came into this topic and said they want me to do it, I'd tell them to piss off because I don't want top for the reasons I stated.

And "because we wanted to" is not the reason for EN. When someone says they "wanted to" there are reasons behind wanting to do something. I wanted to be part of EN because I had attempted to do a sprite comic of my own because I liked the comic format and wanted to create my own. Unfortunately I have no artistic skills aside from writing, so it was shit. I joined EN because I like writing and wanted to publically display it with very good art and I was lucky because Eat, Virus, and Silv accepted me into it. "Because we wanted to" is not the reason, because we have other reasons for wanting to do it.

Now, are you fucking done trying to convince me? Or are you going to give it another couple of tries? Either way I'm not and won't be convinced.

I did try to email you, but I kept being told by the forums that I cannot email thru the forums. So I just sent a PM to you regarding some Uwe Boll information. Waited a bit, then made my post.

I haven't really been trying to convince you. I know the idea was lost after the first reply post, but you were the one continuing the discussion/criticism of my site. So I felt I had to explain it. Wether or not you find the things on the site funny or not is all based on an opinion, in which my site I hope in the future will have millions of. As long as its revelant to the catagories at the given time.

If its seems to have been a waste of your time, atleast you can be happy saying you've busted someones balls over a website about "nothing." :lol:
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And what did I mis-exactly?  I have tried to counter-debate everything, but I'm not a machine if I missed something, mention it before you try and consider entering the debate.


The fact that he bloody well does not want to do it! Have you not picked up on this line of thought?
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Kai,Jan 24 2006
09:39 PM
I did try to email you, but I kept being told by the forums that I cannot email thru the forums.  So I just sent a PM to you regarding some Uwe Boll information.  Waited a bit, then made my post.


The email is also on the site, under the "contact" section genius.

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I haven't really been trying to convince you.  I know the idea was lost after the first reply post, but you were the one continuing the discussion/criticism of my site.  So I felt I had to explain it.  Wether or not you find the things on the site funny or not is all based on an opinion, in which my site I hope in the future will have millions of.  As long as its revelant to the catagories at the given time.


Yeah I guess posting the idea and then giving reasons for me to be on your site must have completely threw me off.

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If its seems to have been a waste of your time, atleast you can be happy saying you've busted someones balls over a website about "nothing."  :lol:


Well it hasn't been as waste of mine time as I didn't have anything else planned, just chatting with some friends, possibly playing a video game and reading through a webcomic archive. If this had been yesterday when I was doing some Uni work and this had got me sidetracked, yes, it would have been.

The ironic quotation marks don't make your site any more appealing. Now are you going the shut the fuck up and stop trying to convince me?
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I just looked again, I saw no navigation leading to a contacts page of any kind. Who's convincing?! Just talking...
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Kai,Jan 24 2006
09:46 PM
I just looked again, I saw no navigation leading to a contacts page of any kind.

Look at the top of the page Mr. Magoo. To the right of the title image.

And stop fucking bullshitting about not trying to convince me, you've given plenty of unconvicing reasons and pretending they don't exist just makes you look like you don't know what the fuck you're doing.
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Ah, in the title, didn't even notice it silly me. But now your just being facetious. LOL I truely do think you should read thru the posts again. 99% of it was trying to explain my posts, site, and opinions.

But sure, I'll stop posting. Lothar, you're just a hug full of sunshine. :D Cheers.
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And you're full of lies and bullshit.
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Edited 3 times cause I can't stand ugly things (your quote system fucked up).

I'm just here to stand up for my site.

Kai asked you to do something, you bashed him for it. WOOHOO!! Is there really a need for a long ass discussion about what makes our site shitty and you so smart?

You offer comics... not very good ones, IMHO (maybe I'll write a review about them =P) but it's what you enjoy doing... at least, I hope it's what you enjoy doing. We, on the other hand, enjoy movies, video games, anime, and bitching about the mentioned subjects and anything else that tweaks a certain fancy.

WHY we made this site is because I can PROMISE you that other people feel the same way. What we want is people to come and share their opinions on the matter. Eventually, we want it so that the only things Kai and I do are the novel and OUR comic and contests. We want the "fans" to do the writing/bitching/submitting. We're not in it for money, it's COSTING us to run the site. We're in it for fun. Sorry if that bugs you, but I.. am actually not that sorry.

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Oh, and for the record, YES, we're pervs. We're guys. AND when the sex scene happens to be the ONLY good part of a movie, it's going to get a very big paragraph. I'm sorry you don't get laid or you don't like women... one of the two, right? Every guy I know likes strip clubs and porn, even the ones that don't like women. They just like different kinds of both.
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I'm not sure what brings this grandios ( :wanker ) behavior on, but Kai just asked ya something simple... and you turned it into WW3.

AND, if you don't like something on our site... submit your own shit. If you can make it sound as intelligent as you pretend to be :P then it will most likely get posted.

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Wow, I tell you I don't like your idea, you come on and insult me. Didn't see that coming.

There's no reason for peopel to go to your site mate, they can do pretty much everything you say they can on forums where they can have proper discussion on the matter.

And newsflash, Kai never asked me, he asked the EN fans about the idea before even making sure I'd be into it. And then acted all shocked and surprised when I wasn't into the idea.

Oh and a gay joke, mature. At least Kai tried to debate without degrading himself like that. Amazingly I don't read reviews for people to tell me about they're bloody libido.
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Kai,Jan 24 2006
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Well perhaps I jumped the gun, even more so with the forum post.  But the origin of the idea is the fact that I enjoy your humor, in the comic and from the MP3 you made, and that I thought it was similar to ours.

Except your stories aren't funny. They're just whatever anyone felt like talking about at the time. My rant about Alone in the Dark wasn't "meant" to be funny, even though I did some jokes, but somehow people are entertained by it. I wasn't entertained by your BloodRayne or other rants I read. I just thought "what the hell is he going on about?"


There is never a set rule of what is funny to somebody. If you don't like it, somebody else probably will. I don't like your comics, but Kai does/did until this rediculous argument. YOU do not decide what is funny UNTIL YOU are the only one left alive.

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AHA!! Your quote system works again!
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Ah well, I'm sure I'm sick of the both of you know, so why don't I just ban both your I.P's and then wait for someone to email me your bitching post on your website?
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Took a tour of the website. Nicely presented, but didn't really find the reviews that inspiring. Attempts were made to be funny, I could tell, but it didn't really go for me.

Soba: What the HELL are you basing your statement that EN is rubbish on? It seems that saying stuff that you don't provide a good reason for seems to be a recurring theme in your site's writings.
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I've banned them Comet, let them go whine on their site.
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Ok. Sigh, always turn up late for these things.
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Speaking of them whining, Fatman pointed this out to me.

LET THE BULLSHIT BEGIN!

The fact they are reduced to making things up to sound like they were in the right ("Money grabbing whore?" I think they missed the fact that EN is free) in this article.
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LMFAO.

Hilarious. First they think we're great, and then because we don't like their shite, they insult us.

Meh, pretty pathetic to be honest. Most of the thier stuff is pretty much like every other Maddox wannabe - Dull, uninteresting whining. At least I have the decency to keep it to my LJ.

And now they're trying to start a flame war. Good gods, are these people even out of secondary school?

To be honest, it's all rather sad.
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