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| Kai | Jan 24 2006, 06:19 PM Post #1 |
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I've been a reader of EN for some time now. But I haven't participated in the forums much, mainly due to my own site's demands. But I did download Lothar's mp3 review of Alone in the Dark, by Mr Uwe Boll. (pronounced Uvaay, like the fucking wanker that he is) And I just thought it was interesting that the EN crew had interest in things like this. So I show on to you, my site, my peice of cyber-space. SobaKai Resources Now this website, looks more than just forums I like to think. It is, its a full uncensored Digital News Paper. Kinda...yea. Ok so it doesn't look much like a newpaper but its black and white! Close enough you wanks. Anyway, we allow anyone to register and registered users may submit stories and such (falling under the catagories we have thus far) and we will read them, edit them (as we see fit) and post them under the name of the original creator (the registered user). So everyone can have their 2 cents. Do we not approve some articles? We haven't yet, but I'm sure some fucking tosser will come along and submit something we wont let thru. We try to keep a side of proffessionalism, in a way. Why am I posting this on the EN forums? Well like I said, I've been a reader for a while, I enjoy their artwork and humor. I'm a rather funny fellow myself, I just cant draw for shit. But the common bridge was 2 things, 1) their type of humor 2) the mp3 movie review of Alone in the Dark. I wouldn't mind dicussing the idea with Lothar about hosting a series of MP3 reviews perhaps, if even to work with him together on some. But thats a bit of a stretch. All I'd like is for people to share their thoughts on the website, if its crap, then...ok well dont tell me, I'd rather think its brilliant and be a happy lil boy. But if you like it, then get involved. |
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| Lothar Hex | Jan 24 2006, 06:56 PM Post #2 |
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Yeah I read your BloodRayne review and vomited. Never write reviews ever again. Let's take a look shall we?
That's an outright lie, BloodRayne was one of the most shallow uninspired games to ever appear on consoles.
Because it's dull, has crap graphics, and does nothing but try to use tits to seel the game.
By that Logic, the Medal of Honor series is the greatest set of video games ever. Oh wait, all the console games suck.
Doom wasn't about Demons, but you liked that.
You're a fucking pervert, why the hell should I take your advice when you spend the entirety of your 2nd largest paragraph talking about a sex scene that you enjoyed. I wouldn't work with you if you paid me. Your writing style lacks cohesion and you NEED to fucking sort your facts out.
HE was BORN in Scotland you tit, how the fuck can he fake that? Ever seen Trainspotting? |
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| Kai | Jan 24 2006, 06:58 PM Post #3 |
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Bad Review for a bad movie, what do you expect? An oscar? Ben Kingsely did. Either way, their not reviews in the professional mind. Their the same type of spouting off you'd expect from anyone disappointed with a movie. Then again, this is the trend we see from Uwe Boll. |
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| Lothar Hex | Jan 24 2006, 07:08 PM Post #4 |
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Look at the other reasons genius. Even in the Island review, which you liked, it's a load of bullcrap. How the hell did you think Ewan McGregor was faking his scottish accent? HE'S FROM SCOTLAND! And Your GUN review, where you give people no bloody information about the game at all?
What's the setup? Or are you just assuming that people will know about the game by reading decent reviews from other sites that actually tell them about the game? |
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| Kai | Jan 24 2006, 07:19 PM Post #5 |
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I agree console games are slack, but cant be ignored when you're basing a portion of your website on them. The arguement over the accent wasn't wether or not it was a Scottish accent, it was over wether he's trying to use it. It seemed as if he was trying to "faint" it or hide it rather. The quoted comment, rather disguised as a post, was inaccurate. As far as BloodRayne being a good game, eh for it being a completely unheard of title. I've seen much much worse. LOL Medal of Honor series, you mean the damn right most ego-tistical game ever made? No, I dont condone that game one bit. I do like how each game portrayed the entire war being fought by Americans, that was so nice. Fucking assholes, not one British soldier, or Free French, Austrailian, New Zealander, nothing...all american. But then again, those games were just created to ride the WW2 movie fad we had in America. So rediculous Stupidity is to be expected, Only in America. And my longest paragraph, about the sex scene. Hrmm, maybe your right perhaps I am a pervert. But even still, even as stupid as that scene was, it was the best scene of the movie. And its the only positive note about the movie I could make. Obivously, its not saying much. |
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| Kai | Jan 24 2006, 07:24 PM Post #6 |
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My reviews are just my opinions, not a damn instruction manual. Brief tid bits, thats all it is. Secondly, all the reviews are just opinions, not everyone knows all the background of everything. Some do a lot of research, some do none. And I'm not going to give a full detail bit about a game I'm actually semi-recommending. The most entertaining part about the game progressing the storyline and blowing some rednecks face off. |
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| Lothar Hex | Jan 24 2006, 07:33 PM Post #7 |
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And yet you didn't even say that. I don't see why people should go to this website when they could get better thought out opinions and reviews elsewhere. Hell the only reason I get away with talking complete bollocks on EN is that there's a decent(ish) webcomic there as well. You can't just say something is crap/good and leave it at that, you have to provide reasons otherwise nobody is going to take you seriously. I may go on and on about bullshit in my rants, but at least I attempt to give reasons for my conclusions. Reviews by there very definition are assesments and have to have reasons for the conclusions. You can't just say "I liked the gameplay" and expect to be taken seriously. And what thell was that "console games are slack" comment about? BloodRayne is a bad game, NOT because it's a console game, but because it's shit. I actually prefer consoles games to PC ones for many reasons, and they can be just as "big" and impressive as PC are and in many cases a hell of a lot more interesting. You'd never see anything like Kirby: Power Paintbrush, Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction and Soul Calibur 2 on a PC. |
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| Kai | Jan 24 2006, 07:39 PM Post #8 |
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Well, I can work on that. But I refuse to make Pseudo-Spoilers though. Pointless to even call it a review. And mostly, the website isn't so much for people to read "Kai's Thoughts on Life and Games" but to actually interact or do it themselves. Even you Lothar, can take into account that if I write a total bullshit review. You can write one better or just to make fun of mine. We really dont care what your review as long as it fits in the catagories, until we make more. Seriousness, is not something I'm going force upon the website. If you want to randomly rant about how much pink bunny slippers piss you off then do so! I'm trying to promote fun interactivism more than I am a competition review site to 1up.com or something similar. |
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| Kai | Jan 24 2006, 07:44 PM Post #9 |
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I say that based on the fact that out of all the video games released monthly for a particular console, only a handful are worth getting. Thats what I mean by slack. PC games are the same, but have room for improvement in some cases. Example: Battlefield1942, not bad gets a bit boring after a week or so. Enter: Desert Combat Mod. Now the game has been reborn for another week. Bored again, try another mod. You can do this with PC games, and not so much with console games, with the exclusion of the Xbox, and only if you're handy with a soldering iron. Edit** Actually you are right about SC2 tho, you couldn't enjoy that game as much. But you could make a bit more out of the Weapon Quest on a PC game with it I suppose. |
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| Lothar Hex | Jan 24 2006, 07:45 PM Post #10 |
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And why would I want to do any of that on your site when I can do it here on my own, and without someone who can't even spell and I assume is around 15? Who is going to go to this site, which is essentially about nothing? |
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| Kai | Jan 24 2006, 07:50 PM Post #11 |
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Can spell, just bad typoististist. And no, I'm 22. Nothing for an idea, is still better than an idea about nothing. And sure you can do it on forums, but I originally created the site the way it is, because everyone has forums these days. Even people without any scripting talent. I just wanted something different. Its not like if a forum member made a review about a movie that even YOU like Lothar, you wouldn't plug it in front of your webcomic, because your site is about a webcomic. So coming to your site for a review isn't the key point of your site. Thats the difference. |
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| Lothar Hex | Jan 24 2006, 07:52 PM Post #12 |
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If someone posts something I like, I usually do link to. A webcomic is the main reason for the site, but whats yours? Anyone can post an essay about anything? That's essentially a forum. C'mon, just admit you wanted some free advertising and call it a day. |
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| Kai | Jan 24 2006, 08:01 PM Post #13 |
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Eh no such thing as Free Advertising. No I was offering a opportunity to go further with your MP3 rants, but if its advertising you only see then sure, its all about the advertising. My site is still new in cyber space, its point is to provide an interactive community of news, rants, reviews, what have you. Not as creative as a web comic, but not everyone has the ability to draw. |
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| Lothar Hex | Jan 24 2006, 08:02 PM Post #14 |
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Go further how? By putting them on a site nobody goes to? |
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| Kai | Jan 24 2006, 08:04 PM Post #15 |
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Having them hosted on a site that no one goes to. And besides, if the idea of Wiki can pick up, surely our website can to. Everyone started somewhere. |
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| Lothar Hex | Jan 24 2006, 08:07 PM Post #16 |
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The thing about wiki is, that it has a point. To create a massive source of knowledge. Yours seems to be just to be a source of rants with little discussion on the subjects that people post. Sure you have a comments section, but it's not like many people will pay as much attention to those as they will the published article. And you're offering free bandwidth. Which I already have. Yeah, not seeing anything compelling. Oh and the chance with someone who doesn't think console games are as good as PC ones, is a pervert, and hopes he'll somehow get people to come to his website despite having no talent. And what do I get, the chance to post on what is essentially an edited forum with less debate. |
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| Kai | Jan 24 2006, 08:12 PM Post #17 |
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LOL A massive source of knowledge that ANYONE can edit? Yea, that must be accurate, no one randomly post bullshit up on those sites. (My website plug) If you want to shoot down the audio idea, thats fine and completely utterly up to you. But the idea was really more on the lines of pin-pointing a weekly show/rant whatever, either via streaming, live, or downloadable. And debating isn't breaking down someone's diaologue or comments just for the sake of doing it, you're supposed to argue the reasons of the subject in the favor of your opinion. Which you were doing, then you began to drill me about my grammatical errors. Do it all you like, doesn't bother me, I've always enjoyed a good debate. |
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| Lothar Hex | Jan 24 2006, 08:22 PM Post #18 |
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Wiki has its fault yes, but if something is wrong, you can edit it youraself or report it to the people who run it. I find it odd that you first say wiki is good, but then dismiss it when I say it has a point. Your site is just basically gonna be about what someone wants to post about anything, and then you edit it, and post it. For what purpose? There's no actual defined reason for it apart from "we felt like it". Let's say I wanted to post something along the lines of "BloodRayne rocks" would you post that? I somehow doubt it as its goes agsint your view, and even if you did, there won't be an active debate because the two articles are seperate. It'd be much easier all round to simply have a forum where both articles/posts can be displayed. And the thing is Kai, you're not debating. You haven't put any reasons forward for this idea beyond "cos it's a good idea" and you're avoiding questions. Why is it a good idea? Why do they have to come to your site? What is gonna draw people to this which they can't get somewhere else. And debating can consist of breaking downs people comments if it helps further your own opinion. You can't simply say it isn't debating because you don't like what the other person is saying. All I'm getting from this is that you wanted me to use your site so people would go there. But there's no reason for me to go to your site, or anyone else for that matter. |
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| Retrogamer! | Jan 24 2006, 08:23 PM Post #19 |
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I believe you are forgetting one major thing Kai. There are better websites for the exact same idea everywhere already! If you want 'proper' reviews go to Gamestyle (currently being rebuilt apparently) to find good ones.
I refer a few lines up in my post. Look, it's pretty simple. You have on your site all these things, and none of them are any good. None take anything even close to 'Review' standard, why should people come here to look at crap writings that if your site gets larger WILL be filled with fanboy ravings....when they could go to any credible site and just look at them there?
And your site is different how? And do not say "I will stop improper stuff going up on it" cause then its hardly free speech is it? Suddenly things'll only go up if you 'feel' they are such for the site. Where to draw the line in a world of free opinion eh? It's simple. It's obvious. MP3 rants seem very unlikely to go on the site, just bloody well drop it already. |
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| Kai | Jan 24 2006, 08:32 PM Post #20 |
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Well the idea of debating the idea was not yet even establish until you most previous post Lothar, where you finally asked questions. And despite what you may believe, if you wanted to post something that differs from my opinion, yes I would still approve it when submitted. What I mean by editing it, is if it has things that we wont condone on our website, mainly bigotry, racism, prejudice, etc etc. The type of things I wouldn't let thru would be like "Why all Jews should die..." type of post, or something similar. I could careless if you opinion differs from mine really, I would think the site would be rather boring if everyone just agreed all the damn time. And as far as the debate of each article, yes it is limited to the comments section. Since I built the entire site myself, I've been trying to add things, remove things etc. I'd like to eliminate the comments section and have the comment button lead to the forums where people can properly discuss the article. And I wasn't comparing my site to Wiki btw, I was simply saying that if a rather open-ended idea like Wiki can become popular, so can my site. Actually, I never said I hated console games, or that I prefer PC games to console. I just think PC games have more options, since they have the ability to be changed after release. And I may have mistakenly mislead you to believe its a website completely about reviews. It isn't, its just an interactive community. In Lothar's terms, a forum. But different, because I wanted it to seem more like a news paper. And it may be true, my idea may have already been done in a sense. But usually there is someone or something that happens and that said community is censored in some way. Besides, my website can be improved on, I never said it was a finished product, this is what it is, take it or leave it. I'm open to ideas that would make it more enjoyable, even if it changes the whole idea of the site. As long as it has something to do with the Entertainment Industry/Current Events, I'd be open to suggestions. Thats what good I think the MP3 rants could make, and no I dont have the whole thing thought out, its still just an idea. An idea, that yes, obviously seems to be shot down in more than one way. |
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| Kai | Jan 24 2006, 08:50 PM Post #21 |
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Yes debating can be quickly turned into a twist of words and into a heated argument or debate. But you didn't even get to the idea of the audio till several posts down. You just broke apart my site, threw my review in my face pointing out mis-communative mistakes and slandering my taste. How can you accuse me of not debating when you cant even tell when the debating starts? My point is, if you want to debate the audio thing thats basically the same as discussing the idea of doing, is it not? And if you did want to dicuss it, how does my personal opinions and taste fit into it? |
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| Lothar Hex | Jan 24 2006, 08:52 PM Post #22 |
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No, from what I get from it you can post anything on the website, but there's no justifiable reason to.
But don't you see, you are comparing it to wiki, even there you are. However, unlike wiki which tries to have a point, yours doesn't have one.
You've just stated that your own things would be edited and censored, so you'd be doing the same thing. I didn't make MP3 rants to be make my site better, I did it because I wanted to, and even if people didn't want me to do it, if I still wanted to I probably would. Suggestions to make your site better? Just have it as a forum where you can have a proper debate, instead of edited articles that might not get put up anyway. Enforcing forum rules against racism and such isn't exactly hard. There's no real reason for what you're doing at all I'm afraid. |
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| Kai | Jan 24 2006, 08:56 PM Post #23 |
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Of course theres no reason to do it, other than the fact that I want to. Same for your audio rants on your webcomic site. In which you just stated, "even if people didn't like them, I'd still do them." So how am I any different? :D |
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| Kai | Jan 24 2006, 08:58 PM Post #24 |
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No, I meant that piece in reply of Retrogamer. And I was reffering to any website I've seen with the similar idea as mine. They usually get censored somehow. I didn't mean my site. |
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| Lothar Hex | Jan 24 2006, 08:58 PM Post #25 |
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A debate starts when two people disagree on something, this isn't like those idotic pretend clubs in schools where people debate for the sake of debating. For one there isn't a set of rules defining a debate in real life, or an agreement on who shall represent each side, it just happens. The example you provided in my opinion just seemed so pointless that I disagreed with it straight away, and when I put my reasons up for disagreeing, thats when the debate started. Not when I finally adressed your questions. True I didn't bother adressing your audio idea because it was related to you wanting me to work with your site, and if you have a look at my first reply I said I wouldn't work with you if you paid me because the example you submitted was atroucious. However, when a debate does start you should put forward reasons for your opinion, not simply state "because I wanted to" which isn't informative at all because obviously you must have had reasons for wanting to do something. This is why you haven't been debating. |
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