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C. Kennedy; Really only for the Brits on board
Topic Started: Jan 9 2006, 02:21 PM (295 Views)
HunteRS
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Well as most of you know Charles Kennedy recently came clean and confessed to having a drink problem. The day after he was forced to resign. My question is-is this a good thing? OK he had a problem-but then some of our greatest leaders have had problems themselves (Winston Churchill drank a bottle of Brandy A DAY.) Also-Charles Kennedy brought more members and MP's to the Lib Dems than his predecessors. Surely this just weakens the oposition to Fuhrer Blair and his cronies (I know you'd have to crucify me to get me to vote Tory) I know I personally could't bear to see another Labour election victory and the Lib Dems were the only party I felt I could really vote for (except of course the Monster Raving Loony Party.) Maybe he should have stayed on-maybe going was right, but surely this will side line the LD's from politics for awhile as the new leader concretes his position. That leaves a two horse race in any bi-elections and later the Scottish elections-and that can't be good.
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He was a weak leader. He never inspired me to vote Lib Dem, hence my backing of the Tories. This may or may not be linked to Lib Dem policies (The Pro-Europe stance is what turned me off of them), but overall he didn't seem to be a competent leader.

Frankly, I think it's a good thing. The Lib Dems need a inspirational, dynamic leader, rather than a drunkard who couldn't arrange a nun-shoot in a nunnery.
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People who drink are actually better to be in politics because they tend to tell the truth more and that is what the public wants, a truth speaker.
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Churchill was Prime Minister, he was allowed to be a drunk. If he was flying a Lancaster, we'd have a reason to worry.

It's Cameron we should be asking about. He deliberatly sidestepped the issue of whether or not he'd done the Baccy, and should he do the impossible and get into power, he's gonna after answer for that.

What worries me is that we've actually got a Tory government in everything but name. The reason that Conservatives are unelectable is that Labour has hijacked many of their policies. We haven't had a proper Labour government in power since '51, and a lot of people consider that (Attalee as PM) to be one of the best ones from the 20th century.
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Djinchao,Jan 9 2006
05:13 PM
People who drink are actually better to be in politics because they tend to tell the truth more and that is what the public wants, a truth speaker.

Erm, no. It means he's too busy drunk off his tits.

I don't want the man running the country doing it from the bottom of a bottle.
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Thing is, everybody bloody knew he had a drinking problem anyway. It was only when he admitted it that everyone jumped on him.

Gotta love politics.
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I still just want to vote "none of the above".
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The Lib Dems need a inspirational, dynamic leader

Wheras now thier getting an old bloke whose been with them about thirty+ years and is pretty set in his ways.

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What worries me is that we've actually got a Tory government in everything but name. The reason that Conservatives are unelectable is that Labour has hijacked many of their policies. We haven't had a proper Labour government in power since '51


Well that might be the case in England-in Scotland it seems there's just a general anti Tory atmosphere. But yes-most new Labours 'third way' policies are suspiciously Tory in nature. Whether this is Tony or his Minions fault remains to be seen.

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Thing is, everybody bloody knew he had a drinking problem anyway. It was only when he admitted it that everyone jumped on him.

Gotta love politics.


You've GOT to have hard evidence in politics-harder than evidence for a criminal court. If an Mp had accused him of being an alcholic and not provided two metric tons of evidence, that individual could kiss thier career goodbye.

Personally-I vote for the Greens. I know they won't win, but I may as well vote for something that has SOME good intentions. As for Cameron-I haven't seen enough of him to judge, though his tag of 'the Conservative Tony Blair' worries me-does that mean he's going to be bland and slippery, while his boys behind the scenes get on looting the country? Maybe I'll stand for election next time-The common sense party (Manifesto written by me, Jeremy Clarkson and music from the Wurzels.)
Just one quick point-What's the problem with the European parliment, East? Apart from it being a corrupt money grubbing, French imperialist bastion.
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Cameron = smarmy git. Got a distinctly Blairesque vibe from him in terms of that.
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The problem is we can't really tell what's going on behind closed doors, the entire politics race is now about spin. The worst atrocities can be covered up by a few choice words and mis-information, sadly apart from a Dictatorship we can't do much apart from vote for who has the biggest smile (which explains why Tony and Cheri are so popular)
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HunteRS,Jan 10 2006
02:43 PM
Just one quick point-What's the problem with the European parliment, East? Apart from it being a corrupt money grubbing, French imperialist bastion.

Apart from that? It seems mostly biased against us. And frankly, at the risk of sounding right-wing, I'd rather we kept control of our nation in our hands, rather than in the hands of Brussels. I mean, for the love of Christ they let people like Kilroy in there - Hardly a sign of quality.

Regardless, the problem is there is too much blandness in politics. Blair, Cameron and whoever the LibDems elect will just be, frankly, the same. Besuited liars with their own hidden agendas, spinning and spinning.

That's not to say the "lesser parties" are any better. I loathe the Green Party, the Communists are a joke, and the unholy trinity of the BNP, Veritas and UKIP should be loaded up into a rocket and shot into the sun. The rest are just non-descript, local or patently absurd.

No wonder there's so much apathy amonst the populace regarding politics.
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Give them enough beer, porno, and artificial entertainment, and they won't care who runs the country. That's what quelled the masses in 1984.

Sweet Jesus. It's begun already.
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"Compassion doesn't sell. You know what the city wants? Decent TV, some spare change for beer and a blow-job every Saturday night."
Warren Ellis how right ye were...

As for the European parliment-yes it's so biased against us it hurts. And indeed they did let Kilroy (I feel unclean...) in there. But I've never really had a problem with the idea. A European superstate could work in theory. But then you realise you'd need many people, good and true to run it-and that's where the theory falls down on it's arse.

But sadly, your right. there is too much blandness in politics. And it'll never change. The British population doesn't like shake ups one bit. They would be quite content to let extermination squads roam around, executing dissidents and vagrants in the street-just so long as the council picks up the bins every Wednesday and Mr Smith next door keeps his hedge on his side of the fence.
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HunteRS,Jan 12 2006
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A European superstate could work in theory.

Sorry, I just find the idea of an EU superstate to be repulsive. You know why it works in America? Because they might be from Kentucky, or Washington, or Ohio, but they're still American, at the core. They share the same culture.

Britain has as much in common with the French, or the Germans, or the Dutch as we do with the Japanese or the Brazilians. I tell a lie, the other contact we've had with those countries is we were at war with them. Oh yeah, genius.

Sorry, but whilst it could work if we subdue the masses and remove and form of individuality, we're just too different socially for a state to work. Which is why most of the UK is against it.
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New EU laws are preventing me from working enough hours a week to save up for university. FUCK THE EU!!!

Lothar, what's your opinion on the new top-up fee system this September? That is of course if you're in uni...
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Hi, this is actually my first post, but seeing as I'm actually a member of the Lib Dems and a politics student, it seems apt.

Anyhow, Kennedy's resignation wasn't much to do with the drinking. The Lib Dem MPs simply used it as their chance to get rid of him. This has been coming for some time, so it wasn't really surprising, especially after the Tories get a new shiny leader. I'd really hoped it wouldn't happen quite like this though- I was hoping for it to be a bit smoother and quieter. Ah well.

I liked Charles Kennedy. He wasn't a powerful speaker like Blair, but he seemed much more in touch with people, and he was more perceptive then people give him credit for. However, I think there are better leaders, so its nice for us party members to get a chance to vote. Personally I'm going for Simon Hughes- he's the right age, a good speaker and been behind some of our best policies. Mark Oaten would be good too though.
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I'm sure I've heard a delightful quote somewhere....

Oh yes.

I apologise that it won't be to the letter, but it's the same gist.

"Those who are best suited to run the country are too humble to do so. Those who are least suited are running it."
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Reminds me of Fred McCauly's political philosophy: "You should go and ask people 'Do you want to be a politician?' and if they say Yes they're instantly barred.."

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I liked Charles Kennedy. He wasn't a powerful speaker like Blair, but he seemed much more in touch with people, and he was more perceptive then people give him credit for. However, I think there are better leaders, so its nice for us party members to get a chance to vote. Personally I'm going for Simon Hughes- he's the right age, a good speaker and been behind some of our best policies. Mark Oaten would be good too though.


I thought he was OK-Until he did a 180 over the Iraq conflict. If he'd stuck to his guns he'd have earned much more respect I think. After that-I sort of relegated him back to 'Politician' from 'an OK politician'.

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Sorry, but whilst it could work if we subdue the masses and remove and form of individuality, we're just too different socially for a state to work. Which is why most of the UK is against it


A fair point and one I hadn't really considered. And of course, although they'd never admit it, there are always still animosities bubbling away underneath. Having said that-you'd think with the amount of times European nations have fought and invaded one another there'd be some common ground.
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Charles Kennedy has always been against the war. He never went back on it, he was just horribly misquoted. He also made an excellent speech about the secret CIA planes flying through Britain, but unfortunately at the time this was overshadowed by David Cameron's first PMQs as opposition leader (where he asked much worse questions).

Also, the EU does not have to end with a European state. The differences in culture and society, as has already been pointed out, would stop this. Surely it makes sense for the countries of Europe to cooperate on issues which effect them all, such as the environment and economy, the problems the EU primarily deals with.
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