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| Nintendo Revolution will lack 3rd party support?; according to Nintendo president, maybe. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 4 2005, 11:34 PM (864 Views) | |
| Lothar Hex | Mar 4 2005, 11:34 PM Post #1 |
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Illogical
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From IGN.
I'm sorry, but if Nintendo loses MORE third party support things will just get worse for it. A console cannot survive on first party titles alone, at least not since the 1980's. |
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| Hercule Pyro | Mar 4 2005, 11:34 PM Post #2 |
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You've done some terrible things, Mister Harry
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Your sig is most appropriate for this topic. |
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| Lothar Hex | Mar 4 2005, 11:43 PM Post #3 |
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Illogical
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And since we're copying and pasting forum responses. Seriously though, what the hell kind of philosophy is this? Innovation is cool and all, but if you don't have like, 3 companies making games for your console, its gonna fail. I mean for Christ sake Nintedo, at the BAFTA's, Prince of Persia Warrior Within won best Gamecube game. DOSEN'T THAT RING ANY @#$%ING WARNING BELLS? |
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| The Virus | Mar 4 2005, 11:49 PM Post #4 |
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Keepin it odd like a motherfucking gastropod
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What the hell? It's like... he doesn't care. 'Meh, maybe we'll get some third party support, maybe we won't. Maybe we'll stay afloat in the industry, maybe we'll crash and burn. Who the fuck knows? And frankly, who the fuck cares? Man, anybody else have the munchies? Here, hold my bong while I go get some snacks, you can take a hit if you want.' |
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| Jeffk38uk | Mar 5 2005, 12:02 AM Post #5 |
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Everything's great at your Junes.
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I was thinking the same thing really. A feeling of superiority about it, like he already thinks Revlution is a winner even without 3rd party support. That only spells either disaster or success. |
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| Silversword | Mar 5 2005, 12:05 AM Post #6 |
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your soul is mine
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I'm pretty sure it spells 'blind arrogance'. Without third party support, the thing would be dead in the water, one would figure. I don't imagine it'll ever go completely without it - the DS hasn't, after all. Whether it ends up with -enough- is another matter. |
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| Jeffk38uk | Mar 5 2005, 12:07 AM Post #7 |
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Everything's great at your Junes.
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Hmm, thats probably true. Thats one way a console loses appeal really. Even that chat function thing can only last so long. |
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| Master hunter | Mar 5 2005, 12:25 AM Post #8 |
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Sad, Sad Bastard
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It's not nintendo's style to go with the generic, gorgeous graphics mean everything route. They'd rather make an innovative console than a popular generic one. Innovation will appeal to some developers and he's saying they will be the ones that are likely to publish games for the Revolution. I can see SEGA being one of them and possibly Capcom as another big one (Though Capcom develop for all the main consoles anyway). Nintendo won't change their ideals because the market is shallow. If that means they lose third party developers so be it. They aint going to do a SEGA anytime soon. Pokemon is still making money and they'll have 3 consoles (1 home, 2 portable) generating revenue. Though if the DS bombs (which would be a dramatic U-turn, it's doing well so far), they'll probably change their minds as they can't afford to ignore the market for too long. The DS is a sign of their ideals, with it's marketing focusing on the touch screen rather than the machines graphics. Developers are already taking a good look at the DS. EA, the evil money oriented company, are rumoured to be getting westwood to make a Command and conquer game for the DS. This remember is the same EA that ignored the Dreamcast, probably due to it being too risky. This interest may run into the revolution too, which is what Iwata is hoping for. He's being pessimistic (sp?) and doubting it will happen. On the subject of the BAFTA's. That shows more of BAFTA's ignorance don't ya think? Metroid prime 2 shoud've won best gamecube game. Sonic Advance 3 or Minish cap should've won best handheld. And Rockstar for outstanding contribution? Besides GTA what of note have they done, Max Payne at a stretch I suppose. |
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| Wolf | Mar 5 2005, 12:48 AM Post #9 |
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do what?
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Seems like he's not worried... If the Revolution doesn't gain 3rd party support, and the system does well, then I'll gain a whole new respect for Nintendo. If it doesn't, then I won't be surprised at all. |
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| Blitz | Mar 5 2005, 01:45 AM Post #10 |
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A Twat...according to lothar.
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despite both the n64 and gamecube making the equivilent impact on the overall games market as a orange to a tank nintendo have survived. this is because of the companies constant delivery of (lack of better word) cult games (specialised and unique) and their understanding of the handheld market. despite the huge amount of money pumped into it i think the psp will be a rubbish handheld console (and i am not nintendo's biggest fan) simply because super 3d graphic games never really work on a handheld, they are for mobile use and its impossible to take in the all mighty splendour of a huge 3d world while playing it on a train or bus. I mean the GBA was meant to be 32 bit...yet no tomb raiders or snazy 3d platformers took centre stage. The DS is designed so that yes it will have the functionality and freedom of those big 3d games, but they are not the pulling factor nor are they essential for the machine. now the revolution...i think the name gives it away. Nintendo's president is not telling all 3rd party companies to fuck off. He is warning them. This new console is redefining how games are played. therefore cross platform titles like the FIFA series and so on will be physically impossible because the entire game system will have to be gutted to work in whatever the nintendo mystical system will be. 3rd party support will be welcomed. just not the sort that EA has established as the norm, which is cross console mass produced. while not bad system of making games has created untold amounts of trash. As i also have a keen interest in film and politics i can draw parallels between nintendo and EA in the games indsutry and hollywood and Dogme 95*. While not a commercial or worldwide success dogme 95 is a highly respected form of cinema. Nintendo are creating a similer situation in games. Its a huge risk. Suicidel even, as the costs alone in the game industry require nintendo to be semi successfull in at least 2 of the 3 major markets (Japan, europe, usa) while japan is fairly safe and europe is almsot a lost cause, usa will be the crucial market. so its a fine wire. Nintendo's system needs to be something amazing beyond belief that surpasses the cliche graphics and gameplay demands yet the simple economics of the current industry spell doom doom and doom. i have lost my train of thought so i'll simply state....Virtual game boy. * Dogme 95 -danish rethinking of film, more realistic with no special effects, no soundtrack and no amazing storylines. |
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| The Virus | Mar 5 2005, 02:04 AM Post #11 |
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Keepin it odd like a motherfucking gastropod
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I'm all up for innovation. Freaky Japanese shit? Sure, why not? Who else but the Japanese could conceive a blue hedgehog that runs stupidly fast and fights a fat bald bloke? Tubby plumber with a bad accent versus a reject from a Godzilla movie? It's insane, and I love it. Gods bless those crackheads. But Nintendo, when your crazy, self-indulgent, let's-all-just-screw-around-and-have-a-laugh philosophy starts to hurt your business and, perhaps more importantly, your fans, then maybe you gotta step back and take stock. A lack of third party support will hurt the fans, because they'll have less games to play, obviously. If you're gonna take a risk that could alienate third parties, well that seems needlessly reckless. I mean, what is their goal here? They don't seem to care about the profit. They're running the risk of alienating some fans, and condemning the rest to a game drought. Who does that leave? Themselves? They're doing it because of some artistic thing, they just want to innovate and do new things for the sheer hell of it? Look, innovate, push the envelope, please. But don't gamble your damned market hold in the process. Still, I guess we oughta wait and see what this innovation actually consists of. Maybe Iwata's exaggerating. |
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| Blitz | Mar 5 2005, 04:26 AM Post #12 |
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A Twat...according to lothar.
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just thought i'd add to show how big of a risk this is for ninty...dogme 95 was almost a complete failure...so best of luck ninty |
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| Master hunter | Mar 5 2005, 03:55 PM Post #13 |
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Sad, Sad Bastard
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He's not saying that they don't want third party support, He's saying they're unlikely to get lots. Those that give the public brainless violent shooters (Rockstar for example) will probably ignore it, just like they have with the gamecube. Those that are getting excited about the possibilties will get on board, like SEGA. I think he's just being pessimistic. As for the business side, Nintendo aren't losing money. Usually they make a profit, so despite being third in the market they are in fact suceeding business wise. So their likelihood of doing a "SEGA" anytime soon is still quite low. The only thing that will hurt the fans is if they start creating bad games. Nintendo themselves have been quite poor recently, focusing on hardware rather than software. Their second parties have been pure gold though. Despite the gamecube lacking a great deal of third party support my Gamecube games outnumber both my Xbox games and PS2 games combined. I really don't see a problem in the number of games the revolution will produce. |
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| Exu | Mar 5 2005, 07:44 PM Post #14 |
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Der-Der-Der-DERRRP!
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It does not have the right engines for that kind of thing. The processor may well be 32 bit, but without the right other pieces, it cannot be a mini PSone. Just think, why did the Saturn games have rubbish cut-scenes? Because it did not have the right graphics engine, despite being a 32-bit console. The same is true for the GBA. |
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| Wolf | Mar 5 2005, 08:41 PM Post #15 |
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do what?
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I never considered the cut-scenes to be all that bad for the gba.. but then again i havnt played all too many games on it. Examples? |
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| Exu | Mar 5 2005, 09:12 PM Post #16 |
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Der-Der-Der-DERRRP!
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<sigh> Look at generic 3D cut-scene on PSone game, look at generic 3D cut-scene on GBA game. Notice that whenever the GBA does 3d, it does it badly? It just doesn't have the strength. |
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| Hercule Pyro | Mar 5 2005, 09:17 PM Post #17 |
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You've done some terrible things, Mister Harry
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Yes, and apparently "brainless" games like that were the top selling games in Europe and the USA. I'd want a piece of that action, but then, I'm merely a business studies student and not Nintendos accountants. Who're probably duck-billed-farking-platypuses. |
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| Wolf | Mar 5 2005, 09:42 PM Post #18 |
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do what?
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ah, i thought you meant 2D. point made. |
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| Master hunter | Mar 5 2005, 10:20 PM Post #19 |
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Sad, Sad Bastard
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What's your point eastwood? Rockstar listen to what the public seems to want, and so makes plenty of money. Yeah, good and? Or was it that Nintendo who don't listen to what the public seems to want is having money problems. Well that's news to me and I'm pretty sure they make profits. Or did I just say something bad about Rockstar and you wanted to comment? I never said Rockstar making brainless violent shooters that are popular for being violent was a bad thing. I was merely pointing out that how some developers seem to think. Some prefer to innovate and try new things, rather than just listen to what the public seems to want. |
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| Hercule Pyro | Mar 5 2005, 10:31 PM Post #20 |
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You've done some terrible things, Mister Harry
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Comment the first - Yes, but they're not top of the tree are they? They're outranked by Microsoft and Sony. Me, I'd be aiming to beat back those two and claim the top spot. Because, squire, that'd certainly be one way of survival. Give it five years and I'll bet you Ninty will be running out of third party support and people will desert the console. The BAFTA's, slanted though they may be in my humble opinion, certainly reflect that, hey, Ninty aren't exactly number one any more, not even on their own console. That should be sending alarm bells ringing, but since Ninty don't give a flying fuck about what goes on in Europe I doubt they'll bother and instead blame it on other things, like the Canadian dollar and anything but their own incredibly pathetic business ability. Comment the second - I've tried to be polite to you, but shut the fuck up you annoying little twerp. Your snide little fanboy nature is getting on my bloody nerves. |
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| Lothar Hex | Mar 5 2005, 10:48 PM Post #21 |
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Illogical
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Have you even fucking PLAYED the GTA games Hunter? They're far from brainless. I bet you can't name any other Rockstar developed/published games without a web search (aside from Manhunt, thank you idiotic UK media) And in my opinion, Nintendo haven't been able to produce a winning home console since the SNES. Their strength lies in the handheld/portable market. |
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| Master hunter | Mar 5 2005, 11:45 PM Post #22 |
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Sad, Sad Bastard
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Yes I have. They're great games. Perhaps brainless was the wrong word to use, but the rest is true. Rockstar did Max Payne didn't they? Though besides Max Payne, GTA and Manhunt I can't think of anything Rockstar has done. Microsoft may be doing better than nintendo in terms of sales wise, but look at other factors. The consoles RRP has gone down £200 since launch. I'm sure you know that a selling price includes the cost of making the system and a profit. Unless they gave each system £200 worth of profit, each console they sell doesn't cover the costs of making the machine. Also they recently othered free replacements for all the power cords of systems older than a certain date. They're not basic cables either, I have one and they have these massive test boxes. All of this costs the company money. They may be second but at a high cost. While Nintendo are making a profit in third. I would rather be an investor in a company that makes a profit than one that is second in popularity. Making a profit is a sign of great business stratedgy, not a poor one. How is this possible in third place? The RRP of the console has not dropped that significantly They can't be making that many machines, hence no overflow They are a market leader handheld wise. Soon there will be twice as many consoles in that market They have cash cows like Pokemon that are still going strong |
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| Blitz | Mar 6 2005, 12:26 AM Post #23 |
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A Twat...according to lothar.
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*sigh* ok, but my point still stands. GBA didnt need ps1 style games, while the saturn clearly did. Nintendo designed with a 32 bit processor which was aimed at providing support for games that worked in a mobile enviorement. GBA provided it. And thats why i have my doubts on PsP cause it seems to be ignoring the fact that its a handheld and trying to make big flashy games (like wipeout) that wont be have as impressive or entertaining on a handheld. Master Hunter download Wild Metal country (its free) thats another game by rockstar thats pretty cool and clever. and you better look up game industry economics cause your argument over the x-box is flawed (look into licencing and microsofts own software compoanies, not to mention the x-box live advantages, also look up another reason for the dreamcasts failures, it involves selling ALOT of consoles but very few games) Nintendo stated that they are happy in their current position and that makes this not as big of a risk as people make it out to be. But it is still a risk that could sink them if worst possible scenario happens. anyway personnally i might pull out of consoles all together as they seem to be hitting a huge wall with the next gen, prices are set to go up and EA looks to dominate so the competition between the individual hardwares will become less and less important. |
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| Master hunter | Mar 6 2005, 01:40 AM Post #24 |
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Sad, Sad Bastard
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True, microsoft could be doing well financially if Xbox live! is indeed covering it's costs, and the software sales make up for the huge loses they must be making from their hardware. I look into Wild Metal Country, where can I get it? Rockstar's own site is a bit confusing. Rockstars past is quite impressive, especially seeing as how they once did Lemmings (as DMA design). Though that's the past, and while I should've made myself clear, my comments on Rockstar being about brainless violent shooters was for the here and now. If you count a companies glory days then some of the comments against EA are a bit unfair. EA have made some brilliant games in the past. |
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| Blitz | Mar 6 2005, 04:01 AM Post #25 |
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A Twat...according to lothar.
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wild metal should be for free download on their website with the original GTA. and in fairness if i remember correctly you were partly right that the x-box started off making huge losses, but i believe it has finally broken even and gone into profit a few months back (thanks to improved Live support and overall better support) but as a counter argument microsoft is a poor example as they are new to the console market and needed to establish themselves before any real success (compared to nintendo who is a household name when it comes to computer games) take a look of the hunderds of other consoles that have failed in an attempt to break into the market (TurboGfX 16, 3DO, and so on). economics 101 make yourself the household name. Examples of this include bandaid and hoover. |
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