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My gripe with Sonic; Shouldn't he age like wine? Better?
Topic Started: Dec 14 2004, 11:57 AM (1,158 Views)
Pyro
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Yeah oh im sonic the supersonic hedgehog im the most famous and coolest hedgehog no one has ever beat me... *shadow drop kicks sonic off a cliff* to bad that doesnt happen
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But they ruined it by giving Sonic Chaos Control...i mean WTF they just took away Shadows unique ability!
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Oh...Sonic can be beaten by Shadow in a race and battle. All he got to do is use his ability ''Chaos Control''. But i don't know why Sonic uses it in SA2B.
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X-plosives,Dec 23 2004
10:14 PM
Oh...Sonic can be beaten by Shadow in a race and battle. All he got to do is use his ability ''Chaos Control''. But i don't know why Sonic uses it in SA2B.

Because Shadow is an angsty goth fan character recolour of Sonic.
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Well Shadow is still a good enemy for Sonic. Metal Sonic seems to not be a challenge anymore.
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I want Shadow to start beating the shit out of sonic and tails there so anoying to me
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Pyro,Dec 23 2004
10:27 PM
I want Shadow to start beating the shit out of sonic and tails there so anoying to me

Thanks for sharing. :rolleyes: Try to stay on topic.

Bah, Shadow is shite. "Ohhh, I'm so mysterious and dark! I also do practically everything like Sonic, but I'm so edgye and mysterious!" Metal Sonic (True Metal Sonic, The Brotherhood, as in my little world Sonic Heroes never happened) beats Shadow like a red-headed stepchild. Metal lacks a personality because he's not supposed to have one. He's a robotic killing machine. Shadow lacks a personality because hes' a fan recolour.

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Pyro
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well shadow is mny favorite but i think shadow is like scorpion (mortal combat) they needed another character so they added him and created him from sonic
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hmm....you have a point. Metal isnt supposed to have personality and yes Shadow is pretty much a copy of Sonic but has a "dark" attitude. Still Shadow is a pretty good character to the series. All the other characters seem to be happy and a darker attitude balances it out a little and since metal sonic has no attitude he cant really be counted as a dark mooded character.
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Pyro
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Exactly he balances everything out
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Not really.

He lacks a character. I have a mug on my desk with more personality, flair and vibrance. The fact that Sonic has a veneer of a personality besides being angsty and mysterious.
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You're all fucking nuts. Shadow is the only Sonic character to have character. A being torn between being a weapon and keeping true to his dying friends last wish. The ultimate lifeform story is the best thing to happen to Sonic since Super Sonic.

He's more than just a dark Sonic, he's the only character to have a strong defined Back story, yet he still raises more questions.

Sonic meanwhile has no character. He just does what he believe is right. Any Character associated with him didn't come from the games. A Stereotypical Hero who's strength of character comes in his unknown background, allowing others to make up their own. Shadow actually made Sonic (as in the character) more interesting.

Rouge is kind of middle ground for me. On the one hand she's sneaky, mainpulative and entirely self-centered. On the other I'd hate to thing she'd become nothing more than a strange sex object. I'd choose her to stay so that Team Dark wouldn't need re-arranging.

Metal Sonic and Omega are automatically cool because they are robots.

On the subject of Nancy Cartwright, I can't believe I was actually asked what she does. None of you watch The Simpsons? She does most of the childrens voices, especially the males such as Nelson and Bart. If anyone can pull off an 8 year old boy's voice it's her.
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This is true. Shadow has a reason for acting so dark and angry because the soldiers killed Maria, Shadows best friend. Sonic on the other hand is just a hedgehog who roams around and looks around for trouble so he can battle for kicks. Shadow has loads of character due to his past.
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Pyro
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Yeah so dont go around fucking saying he doesnt have character!
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Pyro,Dec 23 2004
10:27 PM
I want Shadow to start beating the shit out of sonic and tails there so anoying to me

Hmph...if you want him to do that, try getting Sonic Battle for GBA, a great game to beat up any sonic characters.:D
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Pyro,Dec 24 2004
12:30 AM
Yeah so dont go around fucking saying he doesnt have character!

Yes, I do believe you'll have a long and fruitful posting life here. :rolleyes: Little piece of advice mate... using swearing for the sake of swearing will probably get you banned. Talking like that to an admin? You will get banned. Just a friendly warning.

Yes, Shadow had something of a veneer of a personality. He died. That made his character worthwhile, IMHO. Noble sacrafice, a martyr. Of course, because of all the whiny fanboys/fangirls who need a dark and gothic character, that single trait, that edge was lost. He was brought back, and now? Now he's just a typical angsty goth Sonic recolour. He's vaguely evil. He's vaguely mysterious. Frankly, my mug comparison still stands.
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Wasn't the 'Brotherhood' in the Fleetway comics? In Sonic The Comic, when Porker Lewis, the piggy, got kidnapped on the Miracle Planet? (Little Planet from Sonic CD, for all you detail whores).
The 'Brotherhood of Metallix', with the huge legless red one as their leader, a nod to Chaotix.
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Pyro,Dec 24 2004
12:30 AM
Yeah so dont go around fucking saying he doesnt have character!

What a wonderful method of conversation. <_<

I stand by what East is saying, Shadow is a horrible horrible character.

You say his background is 'unique' and 'the only one'.

I look at his background and see the most cliched and non-original back story in the world,

"Really powerful guy whos dark, mysterious and has lost his memory. But will turn good and turn out to have a true heart after being evil for a while."

Gods man, how MANY games, movies and books already have that.


To put things simply, hes just a Sonic recolour, Metal is a FAR cooler enemy for him. He appeared and had a good simple way, he wants to kill Sonic, no stupid messin around with repetitive plots.

He shoulda stayed dead after SA2 in my opinion, that made a good ending, ie it got rid of him.
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Guess i take the middle ground here.

i'm personally indifferent to shadow, and to be
honest the metalix from Sonic & Knuckles is
by far his coolest rival, it's fast, looks stylish, and
can go super. (OH! and has the best music).

The best I think to handle an update is to perhaps
have 3D graphics on a 2D playing field, that way
everyone wins and to make it worth do S3&K &
add more extras like unlockable art and stuff by
say having objectives that can be either ignored
or followed.
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Metallix from S&K? :huh: It's looks crap. It only went super to make the fight last longer. Anyway it's destroyed, because it was rubbish.
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Just to get the record straight that isn't the same Shadow in Heroes. Omega scans him as a robot, the end of Egg Albatross has an Android Shadow and what about those pods? Then again there's Battle which does have a similar acting Shadow to the one in Adventure 2.
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There ARE theorem pointing to and for the existance of the real shadow, and it being or not being the playable one.
However there is one piece of VITAL evidence pointing to it being the real one. Metal Sonic needs to scan him. There is no explanation as to why he was in the base, but he >was> alone. The copies only appear after Metal Sonic has scanned and copied the playable Shadow. Therefore I believe you play as the real one, I but am open to suggestion.
I think Omega fires upon him because he is in the base. Shadow WAS the first thing he saw, plus he fired on Rouge too, and there was other stuff in the room.

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EDIT: However there is the existance of the robot Shadow before the scanning. But, because he was destroyed, that 'Shadow' was exceptionally weak, it was either an android in Shadows image, a 'dummy' if you will, intended to look like that, or Metal Sonic made the image of a robot, as he scanned Shadow. He announced it when they left, but he could have already scanned him. Personally, I'm for the first point.

Omega later describes the tanks on the fortress as 'clones'. He does not mention that they are robots. A stream of Shadow clones, under Metal Sonic control, would have been an undeniable threat, as I doubt they would have little more AI and thoughts than loyalty and killer instinct (Remember, Gerald Robotnik implanted false memories in Shadow in SAdv2). So they must be destroyed.
However, Omega does not mention that the playable Shadow is a clone, and 'your' Shadow remembers some things along the way.

Most of this points to the playable Shadow being the real one, however there is no explanation as to why. Thanks, Sonic Team!

Of course, it could just be a plothole.

Now please stop reminding me I played Sonic Heroes.
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hehe. All that just from one small part of Shadow's life as a Sonic character. I didn't think about the scanning, opens everything up.

Although the implanted memories there was no proof of that. Rouge said they MIGHT not be real.

On the subject of swearing on this forum, I don't remember reading any rules and Lothar is a much worse offender.
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Master hunter,Dec 24 2004
11:27 PM
On the subject of swearing on this forum, I don't remember reading any rules and Lothar is a much worse offender.

I do believe that East (and myself) meant it as swearing is out of hand when someone is swearing just for the hey of it.

And usually Mr. Hex will only swear when he needs to, its just when he needs to he does it in a way that makes SURE the other person see's his displeasure, but I dont think he just swears for no reason.


I still stick by my opinion, the original Metal is far better than this Sonic recolour.
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Yeah, but Lothar CAN. Who's gonna tell him off?
Remember kids, 'follow by example' never works, look at schools.
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