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Aerith talking about Cloud
Topic Started: May 6 2014, 02:12 AM (1,497 Views)
Jon Snow
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wait--where does Aerith mention 'friend'???
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Materia Thief
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ForbesMoon mentioned it in their initial post (emphasis mine):

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So I was playing KH HD 1.5 ReMIX, and I went to the little house in where Leon, Yuffie and Aerith were and she had a conversation with Sora in where she asked him about a man (Cloud) being in the Coliseum and told Sora that he probably was searching for his friend (the Spanish translation specified it as a male one so probably she was talking about Zack?).
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That's what I want the text for, though. I wanna see the script. It's hard to dissect this if I don't have the full thing. So does anyone have the full script?
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Materia Thief
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This script also includes it as "friend". I've yet to find a video version of the scene though.
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Jon Snow
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Aerith: Do you remember seeing a man with spiky hair at the coliseum?

Sora: Yup.

Aerith: I wonder if he’s still searching for his friend? Sora. If you
see him, please tell him to be careful. He’s not that friendly, but we
all care about him dearly.


***

Cloud: I’ve been looking for you.

Sephiroth: As have I.

Cloud: As long as you exist, I’ll never wake from this nightmare. You’re
my darkness.

Sephiroth (extending his arms): I’m a part of you, am I? Then join me
in this eternal nightmare untarnished by light.




Well, either this game isn't canon--or this is a major mistranslation. Honestly, I can't make any sense of it... At all. Clotis claim Cloud was searching for Sephiroth, but Aerith calls it a friend of his. But the original game proves that Cloud was looking for Aerith.

It can't be Zack or Tifa he's looking for because Cloud says he's looking for Sephiroth, and not to mention, Tifa doesn't exist. And the original game said Cloud had been separated from Aerith & co since the attack on hollow bastion, and then Cloud was shown reuniting with Aerith and co..

So, this game is either not canon or someone fucked up somewhere in the translations.

And another thing, what is Cloud dealing with in this game, exactly? :huh:


Edited by Jon Snow, May 8 2014, 11:08 PM.
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Materia Thief
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I can't help but think it was some kind of major misunderstanding since the original Final Mix version made sense.

In the original Final Mix:
- Aerith says he's looking for someone ("him").
- Cloud is looking for Sephiroth to defeat his inner darkness so he can reunite with his light (which is consistent with what he said in every version of KH including the original)
- Cloud 'defeats' Sephiroth off-screen, but realizes he hasn't defeated him completely in KH2, most likely because Cloud still hasn't realized his "own" inner light and strength.

It's all internally consistent with the rest of Kingdom Hearts.

In the HD Remix 1.5 (which is KH, CoM and 358/2 Days combined together in one package):
- Aerith names a "friend". Sephiroth (who Cloud IS looking for) is far, far from Cloud's friend and Aerith would never treat him so lightly. Zack doesn't make sense because Zack didn't even exist in this timeline and, even then, Birth By Sleep isn't included in this Remix package. Tifa's canonically not recognized to be on Olympus Colisseum and even then she has to go looking for Cloud, not the other way around.

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And another thing, what is Cloud dealing with in this game, exactly? :huh:


This is the same game as Kingdom Hearts. Kingdom Hearts 1.5 is the HD repackaging of Kingdom Hearts: Final Mix, Chain of Memories, and 358/2 Days onto the PS3.
Edited by Materia Thief, May 8 2014, 11:46 PM.
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But I mean, what did Sephiroth do to Cloud? What is this nightmare? :huh:
My sister said that Nomura said these games were 'just for fun' as if they weren't canon to story. I can't find the quote right now because I'm heading off, but could anyone try and research this?
Edited by Jon Snow, May 9 2014, 02:24 AM.
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.... I think we definitely need the original script (the Japanese one from 1.5 remix) and ask someone to translate it or tell us if the word friend is in the dialogue.

@Lord Kesharq

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Oh and also i think it is safe to say (for now anyway unless proven otherwise) that it is proably a mistranslation, given how spanish works.


What do you mean?
Edited by ForbesMoon, May 9 2014, 04:49 AM.
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It would be weird if it were Tifa, but to me I thought of Seph because maybe Aerith thought Cloud was gonna settle their differences or something. After all he probably left and told her that because remember in KH2 he told her "It's nothing...I don't want you involved." So for me, I think when he goes away he told her he was searching for his friend so she wouldn't worry!
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Ok, I just saw an edit gift set on Tumblr that included this scene, unless it was fake--she says the same thing in the English version, too. So... Clotis claimed Cloud was looking for Sephiroth, so is Aerith saying Seph is Cloud's 'friend'? Once more, it can't be Tifa--she doesn't even technically exist in this world and it's not Zack either because BOTH he and Tifa were absent in the FIRST game. So it's between Aerith or Sephiroth who Cloud was looking for... My theory, it was BOTH. However, this game could very well be a very badly published retcon that has no canon effect on the main trilogy (KH1, 2, and now 3).
Edited by Jon Snow, Jun 14 2014, 09:49 AM.
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