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Aerith talking about Cloud
Topic Started: May 6 2014, 02:12 AM (1,496 Views)
ForbesMoon
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So I was playing KH HD 1.5 ReMIX, and I went to the little house in where Leon, Yuffie and Aerith were and she had a conversation with Sora in where she asked him about a man (Cloud) being in the Coliseum and told Sora that he probably was searching for his friend (the Spanish translation specified it as a male one so probably she was talking about Zack?). Then she told Sora that Cloud is very dear to them (Aerith, Leon and Yuffie) and bla bla bla...

So... is this another contradiction? I thought the game stated that Cloud was looking for Sephiroth and that Aerith is the "light" he ended up finding and now Zack (who apparently Aerith doesn't know him in KH btw) is the person he was after?

.... it smells like another retcon to me....

Also, why did she know that Cloud was in the Coliseum? Didn't Nomura say that Cloud was separated from the others when their world got vanished?
Edited by ForbesMoon, May 6 2014, 04:47 AM.
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Yes, it is.

Nomura said specifically that Cloud 'was lost' ever since Cid took Squall, Aerith, and Yuffie and fled Radiant Garden and took them to Traverse town when they were little. So... I don't see how Aerith can know Cloud's at the coliseum when she hasn't 'seen' or heard from him since *before* they left Radiant Garden... that's the whole point of the ending to KH1. Cloud had gotten lost from the group during all the chaos and he was trying to find his way back to Aerith... hence why Cloud is shown reuniting with her and Cid is all "tah-dah" (with his body language).


But do you have a quote of it?
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May 6 2014, 05:42 AM
Yes, it is.

Nomura said specifically that Cloud 'was lost' ever since Cid took Squall, Aerith, and Yuffie and fled Radiant Garden and took them to Traverse town when they were little. So... I don't see how Aerith can know Cloud's at the coliseum when she hasn't 'seen' or heard from him since *before* they left Radiant Garden... that's the whole point of the ending to KH1. Cloud had gotten lost from the group during all the chaos and he was trying to find his way back to Aerith... hence why Cloud is shown reuniting with her and Cid is all "tah-dah" (with his body language).


But do you have a quote of it?
I can quote it in Spanish though lol

I tried to find something through YouTube but I couldn't... sorry :sweat:
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Spanish will do.
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ForbesMoon
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Ok, this is a reduced dialogue of her conversation with Sora after it's done:

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¿Has visto en el Coliseo un chico de pelo en punta con una gran espada? Sora... Si hablas con él, dile que tenga mucho cuidado.


I'll try to translate it.

- "Have you seen a spiky hair boy with a big sword in the Coliseum? Sora... If you talk with him, tell him to be very careful."
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Lord Kesharq
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ForbesMoon
May 7 2014, 01:34 AM
Ok, this is a reduced dialogue of her conversation with Sora after it's done:

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¿Has visto en el Coliseo un chico de pelo en punta con una gran espada? Sora... Si hablas con él, dile que tenga mucho cuidado.


I'll try to translate it.

- "Have you seen a spiky hair boy with a big sword in the Coliseum? Sora... If you talk with him, tell him to be very careful."
btw that translation is fine ForbesMoon ^^ (as far as i can tell, my spanish is not perfect atm even tho i live in spain atm lol) but yeah that is how i would translate it.


Also maybe she knew about him/where he was due to some kinda of centra power she has? or just some spell she used in the game? or does she not have many powrs in KH? (iv never played KH, never was a fan of disney so i stayed welll clear of the KH games)
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Wow, I thought you are spaniard Lord Kesharq! Where are you from originally? ^_^
Edited by *Aeris*, May 7 2014, 10:02 AM.
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Lord Kesharq
May 7 2014, 09:17 AM
btw that translation is fine ForbesMoon ^^ (as far as i can tell, my spanish is not perfect atm even tho i live in spain atm lol) but yeah that is how i would translate it.


Also maybe she knew about him/where he was due to some kinda of centra power she has? or just some spell she used in the game? or does she not have many powrs in KH? (iv never played KH, never was a fan of disney so i stayed welll clear of the KH games)
Thanks!

I think in Chain of Memories it is stated that Aerith has some mysterious abilities but it never said that they have something to do with the Cetras (maybe because KH is AU)

So yeah... big plot hole right there lol
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Now, what makes you think she knows about Zack?
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Maybe because Cloud told her about Zack? And since Zack disappeared in the Olympus Coliseum at the end of Birth By Sleep... Maybe Cloud found out a hint that would lead him to Zack and decided to leave Traverse Town?.......

I hate this right now -__-'

And now there are a few new scenes in the game which I'm not sure what to think about.
Edited by ForbesMoon, May 7 2014, 09:31 PM.
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I don't know about what happens in the all the extra games like Birth by Sleep and 1.5 Remix, but I agree -- it doesn't make sense for Aerith to know where Cloud was. If she knew where he was, why didn't she go get him and bring him home?

Anyway, about this:
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She told Sora that he probably was searching for his friend (the Spanish translation specified it as a male one


In Spanish, we tend to use male gender as default unless we know for sure something is female, right? For example, if we see a cat, we call it "gato" unless we know for sure it's a girl. Or we always call dogs "perro" unless we they are girls. And of course "ellos" can include girls even though it's a male word.

So maybe Aerith used "amigo" instead of "amiga" because she wasn't totally sure of Cloud's intent. They were probably too young to openly declare any romantic feelings before he got lost, and she had not see him for several years. So even if she knew he was searching for someone in this version of KH, she probably wasn't sure if she was the main person he was searching for.

So rather than assume and say he was looking for her (his "amiga") maybe she just said "amigo" to leave it open to any other possibilities. I don't think it has to mean Zack or anyone specifically.
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It wouldn't make sense for it to be Zack. I'm certain that this conversation was in the original Final Mix and Zack wasn't introduced until Birth by Sleep in 2010. We have a post all the way in 2005 talking a little about it here.

That being said it is strange that a "friend" is mentioned. I don't remember it being translated as that before--it was always "he". That's why people kept saying "Cloud's looking for Sephiroth!!" -- I remember Tres claiming that in his FAQ (which I'm not saying is necessarily incorrect, Cloud is looking for Sephiroth, but that doesn't mean his end goal and his inspiration is Sephiroth is all :lmao: )
Edited by Materia Thief, May 8 2014, 05:36 AM.
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@Ultimavara

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In Spanish, we tend to use male gender as default unless we know for sure something is female, right? For example, if we see a cat, we call it "gato" unless we know for sure it's a girl. Or we always call dogs "perro" unless we they are girls. And of course "ellos" can include girls even though it's a male word.


But that would be the case if it were animals or an amount of people like the examples you said.

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So maybe Aerith used "amigo" instead of "amiga" because she wasn't totally sure of Cloud's intent. They were probably too young to openly declare any romantic feelings before he got lost, and she had not see him for several years. So even if she knew he was searching for someone in this version of KH, she probably wasn't sure if she was the main person he was searching for.


Okay... but why would be Cloud searching for Aerith if he was with her before he left Traverse Town and knew where she was?

@Materia Thief

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It wouldn't make sense for it to be Zack. I'm certain that this conversation was in the original Final Mix and Zack wasn't introduced until Birth by Sleep in 2010. We have a post all the way in 2005 talking a little about it here.


Yeah but Birth By Sleep is a prequel of the original game...
Edited by ForbesMoon, May 8 2014, 06:29 AM.
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ForbesMoon
May 8 2014, 06:27 AM
@Materia Thief

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It wouldn't make sense for it to be Zack. I'm certain that this conversation was in the original Final Mix and Zack wasn't introduced until Birth by Sleep in 2010. We have a post all the way in 2005 talking a little about it here.


Yeah but Birth By Sleep is a prequel of the original game...
What I mean is release dates--Aerith says it in the original Final Mix which was released in 2002. Zack didn't even come into the picture until 2010. Every translation of the original Final Mix I can find implies that it's a vague "he" and not specifically a friend--basically Aerith is implying that she knows Cloud is planning on fighting Sephiroth. If it's true that she says Cloud's looking for a "friend" then it is either a huge, definite retcon or a huge mistranslation. Doesn't matter if it's a prequel if it was released later.
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Lord Kesharq
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May 7 2014, 10:01 AM
Wow, I thought you are spaniard Lord Kesharq! Where are you from originally? ^_^
I will PM you *Aeris* to avoid going off topic in here lol
Materia Thief
May 8 2014, 08:14 AM
ForbesMoon
May 8 2014, 06:27 AM
@Materia Thief

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It wouldn't make sense for it to be Zack. I'm certain that this conversation was in the original Final Mix and Zack wasn't introduced until Birth by Sleep in 2010. We have a post all the way in 2005 talking a little about it here.


Yeah but Birth By Sleep is a prequel of the original game...
What I mean is release dates--Aerith says it in the original Final Mix which was released in 2002. Zack didn't even come into the picture until 2010. Every translation of the original Final Mix I can find implies that it's a vague "he" and not specifically a friend--basically Aerith is implying that she knows Cloud is planning on fighting Sephiroth. If it's true that she says Cloud's looking for a "friend" then it is either a huge, definite retcon or a huge mistranslation. Doesn't matter if it's a prequel if it was released later.
Oh and also i think it is safe to say (for now anyway unless proven otherwise) that it is proably a mistranslation, given how spanish works.
Edited by Lord Kesharq, May 8 2014, 11:07 AM.
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