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I Am You, You Are Me; Shin Megami Tensei: Persona
Topic Started: Feb 26 2012, 01:21 AM (998 Views)
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the girl who becomes a prince
I actually like Shinjiro... but I much prefer FeMC to be with Akihiko (he's too adorkable).

The nice about Shinjiro's Social Link is one thing:

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And the bromance between her and Junpei. I found myself thinking "Aw, I WANT THAT!!!" ;_; Actually, I think there are shippers for them too.
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Akane
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@ Anti-R:

Awesome! I'm so glad you get that option.

@ Hikari Seishin

Added. :) Welcome. I love Yosuke too ^_^ I love them all! It's cool, you're entitled to your own opinions on characters and pairings!

@ Vanelo

O_O Sorry! Well, I guess if you already figured out...

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I meant that Kanji's feelings were one-sided, as Naoto never seems to express any interest back. At least I never thought so. Naoto is one of those characters that I always pictured single, like Lightning.
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Edited by Anti-R, Feb 27 2012, 02:43 AM.
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Anyhoo, as if the main cast wasn't enough, P4 has a lot of solid support characters too. Nanako and Ryotaro Dojima being the most obvious ones, but I also like Yumi from the drama club social link, and even one or two of the teachers. Plus... I just started a very interesting social link related to the daycare part-time job that tackles some fairly mature subject matter.

Also Hikari Seishin, don't worry about being the only Yosuke fan XD I think he's an awesome, hilarious character, and is a great friendly foil to the protagonist. And it doesn't hurt that he's voiced magnificently by Yuri Lowenthal :D

... Speaking of voice acting, it just occurred to me, the irony of me now pairing the hero with Rise. Because this isn't the first game where a character voiced by Johnny Yong Bosch (the hero I mean; not to be confused with Adachi whom he also voices) can end up with a character voiced by Laura Bailey (in case you can't tell, I'm also a big Tales of Symphonia 2: Dawn of the New World fan <3).
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My only problem with Yosuke is his bouts of homophobia and his jabs at Kanji. It's not really funny for me at all.

But otherwise, he's alright. I really do feel bad for him when my MC hangs out with him and develop their Social Link.
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Speaking of Kanji, do you guys think he's really gay, or was his shadow just a symbol for his desire to be accepted for who he is?

On the one hand, he seems to develop a little crush on Naoto...

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On the other hand, he tells his shadow that it's not about men or women, he just wants to be accepted for who he is and for people not to judge him.

I would say that he's at least bisexual. When Naoto said that he intrigued him when they first met, Kanji was blushing a lot and he was questioning why he felt this way about a guy and if it was normal. I think he probably thinks guys are easier to deal with than women, who can be catty and shallow at times. But as we've seen later on, he's open to anyone who doesn't judge him.

So what do you guys think? Opinions? Thoughts?
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^I kinda think Kanji is bisexual. I loved his social link, as well as his whole "accepting himself" bit, and as he is shown to have a crush on Naoto before and after certain events, I think he may well be.

Alternatively, he may well be straight, only he has interests that would be considered "gay" which drove him to that whole defensive point of "Omg, I'm not gay, you saying I'm gay?". I think overall, the game was trying to drive at how guys and girls should be allowed to like what they want to like and be who they want to be and not have themselves or their sexuality judged based on it.

Also, I can't believe I forgot to mention how much I like Adachi. He's just... Adachi. STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT. D8

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Considering the scene where he calls Chihiro cute, and...

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I'd say his sexuality is... undetermined.

It should also be noted that, while yeah, sometimes Yosuke pokes fun at him over it, other times he just asks him honest questions about it, and Kanji STILL gets mad. On top of which, from what I understand, Kanji is NOT romanceable. But of course, whether it's about male vs female or not, we can't just ignore his shadow either, or how he seems to, ah, react to Teddie in general.

So I'd say he's either:

- bisexual
- hasn't made up his mind yet
- a case where the developers want you to make up your own mind instead of pushing your own biases, no matter WHICH side your on, on others... and if that's the case, I'll just say that my previous two choices are my opinion only.

Honestly though, I DO think his REAL issue is people not accepting him for who he is, NOT his friggin' sexuality. It's true that sexuality plays a huge part in psychology, and thus shouldn't be ignored either, but if you notice, everyone's shadows or issues are presented sexually in some way, not just Kanji's. Yosuke and Mitsuo both wanna be superheroes and deal with sexual rejection (from Saki and Yukiko respectively). Chie's is sadly not expanded upon much, but her shadow seems to symbolize her tomboyish nature. Yukiko has the classic princess fantasy where she dresses up in a sexy royal outfit and wants someone to take her away from her responsibilities. Rise is sick of people seeing her fictional facade, and symbolizes her desire to get rid of it by stripping.

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So yeah, the REAL, the deeper issues are presented through sexuality, and that's both not a coincidence, AND not all we should pay attention too. As I said, sexuality is intimately (no pun intended) connected to our psyche, and one of the most, if not THE most, powerful urges we humans deal with. So it makes sense that the two issues are presented as one visually. People who look only at the sexual sides of things for the characters need to remember this.
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On Kanji... I think the player should see him as who he is. He shouldn't be judged or labeled for his sexuality or his love for making cute things.

I think Chie's Shadow is clever actually, the dominatrix bananahead sitting on a throne of three Yukikos. There's a part of her who wants to dominate Yukiko's reliance on her/their friendship because Chie was jealous that Yukiko is the prettier and more popular one.

@Hikari: Yeah, you get the option. Chidori's too. :D
Edited by Anti-R, Feb 29 2012, 11:39 PM.
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I'm enjoying the discussion going on here.
Add me to the Persona fanatics :razz: .

Personally, I only played Persona 3 and 4. And I have to say that while I respect Atlus for giving us good games... I'm very annoyed by their tendencies at releasing upgraded games after I bought the original ones. In the end, I didn't buy P3FES because I already had the original and they're going to release P4 the Golden soon :cry: (and like P3P, I won't even be able to play it... I'm not rich and I can't buy every consoles).

Oh well... my favorite game is P4. We have control of the entire team and it's an improvement over P3 (Mitsuru, y u no heal me ? :mad: ). The dungeons are kinda better... because they're linked to the characters... they're not just another stage of the same freaking tower.
Also, I enjoy the bond between all the characters better in P4. I also like the setting. It's a little town and you live with your uncle and cousin. The situation is more relatable than in P3 (at least to me). And also, a murder mystery. Murder mysteries are always cool.

And there is no character I dislike in P4... except Ai (I got a reverse link with her because I couldn't stand her. I didn't bother much with her social link really *but that's mainly because I rarely could find her in school for some reason... same with Saki's brother*).
King Moron was antipathic but that was on purpose (Mitsuo being pathetic and so not specially likable was also on purpose) and so, I have no strong feelings of dislike towards him.
And Adachi. Well...
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Yosuke can be a wee bit annoying but he can be funny too. I love the way Hiimdaisy portrayed him. I really laughed... at his expense lol (poor Yosuke's so unlucky and gullible). So, no, I don't dislike Yosuke.

Then let's see. Favorite characters ? Nanako (adorable to boot) and Dojima (even if Dojima could be so infuriating sometimes *stop making Nanako sad, man... I know you have your reason and I feel sorry for you but geez*). I felt so much for them, it's not even funny.
As party members ? Well, the main character is cool (he hardly has a personality but his design makes him just cool... I also liked Minato in P3)... but I liked Chie the most I guess, with Kanji as a second best.
But really, I liked them all. Even Teddie. I have no strong feelings about Naoto (probably because she was the last character) but I think she's alright.

Now, favorite pairings. As I already said, I learned to like Yukiko/MC more and more as I played the game. I was really not interested at first but the pairing grew on me like whoa. Rise/MC is a close second (and she was my first date :gum: ). Then, I can also see potential with Kanji/Naoto but it's true that Naoto isn't shown to return his feelings so... it IS kinda one sided (now, I know why I felt something was missing with those 2). Also, yeah... I totally see the Kanji/Rise appeal/potential (even if it is totally fanon). There is also the Chie/Yosuke pair... even if I'm generally not a fan of the bickering type (they tend to get on my nerves and can be borderline abusive).
I kinda tolerate MC/Yosuke and Yukiko/Chie. I just don't understand the first one (and I'm just not interested overall... I thought Yosuke's social link was so weak/boring compared to some others for example) and I kinda like the second without particularly shipping them. I also liked the bond between Dojima and Adachi because it was funny (but in the end, no yaoi please... and screw the friendship in the end considering
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). I also can't get into MC/Chie or MC/Naoto. I just can't imagine them as couples. And also, I just can't see the non-party datable girls as the MC's potential girlfriend (I still felt HORRIBLE when I turned Yumi done... poor girl *but again, she confessed at the very end of her social link... that's kinda lame... and I was already with Rise anyway*). Especially Ai (sorry girl, I don't like you).

As for P4 and sexuality... you know, I didn't notice right away how EVERYONE in the party had to deal with this. It's cool. As for Kanji, I think he's either bisexual or straight. But his main issue is that he's judged for liking things associated with girls. While it doesn't mean much in the end, some people will just judge you, especially in highschool. I think it made Kanji frankly confused about his sexuality (and it made him quite violent/antisocial for being misunderstood and not accepted as he is). I just had a problem with how his shadow kept saying that girls were the ones mocking him the most. I always felt that boys are more likely to be the biggest mockers about this, not girls. Maybe it's different in Japan, I don't know.

I still have to finish the game.

As for P3. Well, I liked it a lot when it came out. It's true the lack of control was annoying. And while I enjoyed the game and its atmosphere, it's true that the story or cast wasn't as great as P4 (P3's music however is clearly superior to P4's).
Shinjiro for example was too much of an outsider (one who didn't like to talk much). As a result, I didn't used him much if at all and I
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either. I just failed to connect with them. I also didn't care much for Ken. I thought Yukari was annoying. And Koro ? Well, he was cute but that's it.
I think I only really liked Junpei (even if he isn't part of my fighting team at all), Fuuka, Aegis, Mitsuru and Akihiko. And the chairman's lame jokes made him a bit likable (before
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Maybe I would care more about Shinji if I had played P3P. At least, I feel like I can like him and the female lead together. Then, I have Akihiko/Mitsuru as a (hot) favorite (kinda happy they're both in the fighting game with Aegis too... Mitsuru/Akihiko/Aigis... my beloved badasses). Too bad their relationship was never a focus (but they seem to have a solid close bond at least). I always assumed Yukari was the MC's canon love interest because of the Lovers Arcana. However I don't have a favorite girl or guy for the male MC. Aegis, Ryoji or Yukari... I don't care.
Then, of course, I never was a fan of Akihiko/Shinji and Mitsuru/Yukari. They seem to be the most popular but I never particularly liked them (or liked them AT ALL, let's be honest *for the love of god, I wanted Akihiko/Mitsuru moments, game... and you spent your time on gay subtexts instead*).

As for the voice actors, here's something amusing. Rise and Naoto happen to be voiced by the women who did the Elric brothers while the MC is voiced by the guy who did young Hohenheim (FMA fan here :bounce: ). Kanji is voiced by Tomokazu Seki (hell yeah). Chie by Yui Horie (it's funny because she was Tohru from Fruits Basket while Tomokazu Seki was Kyo). Aegis by Maaya Sakamoto (double hell yeah). And I know that Junpei was voiced by Vic Mignogna in english (re-FMA).
Edited by Beatrix, Apr 2 2012, 03:23 PM.
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BTW, Lovers doesn't necessarily mean bf/gf in the tarot. Because Yukari is still the your Lover arcana social link even if you play P3P as the female main character.

And I think MC/Aigis is the more canon couple because of the events in FES (and I think I'm really moved that both Aigis and Ryoji love the MC regardless of gender). But then that's just my opinion...

Also the reason why I love P3P over the others is that the FeMC really gave a sense of heart in the group that they feel like friends (w/c was back then before the P3P I'd choose the P4 group over the P3 group: P4 felt like they ARE HS peers. P3? Not so much). It helps that she had a friendship bond with Junpei (BEST. BFF. EVER) and Ken. Also, Kuro's her pet. XD You also get to know details about Akihiko and Shinjiro when they were kids because she has Social Links with them, and it was awesome.
Edited by Anti-R, Mar 30 2012, 02:35 AM.
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Joining please ♥

I have too much adoration for these games.
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Sorry for the delay in adding Beatrix and Aerith004! You're on the list now ^_^

Beatrix, I pretty much agreed with everything you said (and I'm so glad you see the potential for Kanji x Rise since they are my favorite P4 fanon pairing ^_^), except I prefer Minato x Aigis to Minato x Yukari.
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So your thoughts on Persona 4 the Arena?

http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Persona_4:_Arena

It's supposed to be canon... but i dunno, I SUCK with Guilty Gear/BlazBlue. >.< I don't think I can play it properly.
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It might be cool, though I hope this isn't a clue that Atlus is procrastinating on Persona 5...

I feel like I've heard about this game before, especially the part about Aigis and Mitsuru in Inaba. Also, I see they've kept Yu as the Persona 4's MC's name, I prefer Souji personally but whatever.

The story needs a little bit of work before I can judge it, so I guess we'll see. :P
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