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Cait Sith's Fortunes True Of False
Topic Started: Sep 26 2011, 08:13 PM (3,832 Views)
ClerithRaven
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They still keep insisting that Cait Sith's predictions ain't reliable.

Shiva, permission to use those quotes?
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Akane
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Oct 24 2011, 02:14 AM
So is Yuffie, Cid, Barret, and Vincent (and Red if I remember right)when they all go up to Cloud during her death and make their own assumption that he was the one feeling the most pain from her death, they all pay Cloud condolences like he and Aerith were a couple or in love.

THAT to me tells me everyone except Tifa(shocker!) assumed Cloud and Aerith were together romantically. So in my opinion, they're all Clourith shippers. :lol:
I think it was obvious to everyone at that point, including Tifa. After all, it was Cloud who carried her into the lake to bury her, while someone like Barret easily could have done the task. That suggests that Cloud had a particular affection for Aerith that the others lacked.

Although a Cloti would argue that Barret and Cid aren't Cleriths, because in one of the side stories after VII they say something along the lines of Tifa "wearing the pants in the relationship." I don't have the quote, but I think from its context that Cid and Barret merely assume they are together, but its never explicitly stated.
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Jon Snow
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You can post the quotes about Cait's prediction but they'll just deny it. No matter what it says they'll deny it. :no:
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Oct 24 2011, 02:31 AM
They still keep insisting that Cait Sith's predictions ain't reliable.

Shiva, permission to use those quotes?
Sure, I don't own the quotes. Use away! :D
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ClerithRaven
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I think the others have used them.
Still, Cait Sith's predictions are deemed insignificant.

Go figure. <.<
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Although a Cloti would argue that Barret and Cid aren't Cleriths, because in one of the side stories after VII they say something along the lines of Tifa "wearing the pants in the relationship." I don't have the quote, but I think from its context that Cid and Barret merely assume they are together, but its never explicitly stated.

I think you have misunderstood something here.
Cid and Barret did never argue about Tifa "wearing the pants in a relationship" - Cid simply said that women are tougher as men would see them to be.
There was no mention of a "relationship" or something like that.
In fact, the line was translated as "women (the weaker sex) are always stronger in the end", so there was no relationship implied at all.
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I think you have misunderstood something here.
Cid and Barret did never argue about Tifa "wearing the pants in a relationship" - Cid simply said that women are tougher as men would see them to be.
There was no mention of a "relationship" or something like that.
In fact, the line was translated as "women (the weaker sex) are always stronger in the end", so there was no relationship implied at all.


Funny that coming from Cid considering how sexist he has been in the past. Maybe that's why they were discussing it. Barret has always been a tough man. And they were discussing how women are strong. Which actually makes me think they saw Aerith as a strong a little, and she was a very strong and independent character. Tifa is strong in a physical sense. They believe she might be strong in a mental sense as well. Yuffie is also a strong woman. In the FF worlds there are a lot of strong women. For Barret and Cid to be saying that women are strong makes sense, though Cid would never show such appreciation lol.
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Akane
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Nov 16 2011, 05:58 PM
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Although a Cloti would argue that Barret and Cid aren't Cleriths, because in one of the side stories after VII they say something along the lines of Tifa "wearing the pants in the relationship." I don't have the quote, but I think from its context that Cid and Barret merely assume they are together, but its never explicitly stated.

I think you have misunderstood something here.
Cid and Barret did never argue about Tifa "wearing the pants in a relationship" - Cid simply said that women are tougher as men would see them to be.
There was no mention of a "relationship" or something like that.
In fact, the line was translated as "women (the weaker sex) are always stronger in the end", so there was no relationship implied at all.


Ah okay, it must have been a Cloti translation then, my mistake. :) I just found it while browsing the web back then.

Here's the quote I found from Case of Barret between Cid and Barret: "I see. In the end, it's the women wear the pants."

You're right, they never did say relationship explicitly. Perhaps it is a mistranslation?

@ AerithBunny

Cid is probably very intimidated by Tifa underneath it all. :P I definitely agree that they saw Aerith as strong on some level, especially Barret, who felt like he owed Aerith for keeping Marlene safe. I think one of the reasons why Aerith's death was such a great loss for Avalance was because she was a person of immense strength and courage. Not physically strong like Tifa, but strong enough to save the world no doubt.
Edited by Akane, Nov 16 2011, 07:08 PM.
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ClerithRaven
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Ah okay, it must have been a Cloti translation then, my mistake. :) I just found it while browsing the web back then.

Here's the quote I found from Case of Barret between Cid and Barret: "I see. In the end, it's the women wear the pants."

You're right, they never did say relationship explicitly. Perhaps it is a mistranslation?
I don't think it's the translation which is wrong.

I think it's the interpretation. Cloti's automatically assume that Cloud and Tifa are in a relationship because of that statement. They take it to mean that Tifa is the one in charge in the Cloti relationship. But I think it could be interpreted as Tifa being the boss/manager/leader in where they are living.
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Akane
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Nov 17 2011, 01:02 PM
Akane
 
Ah okay, it must have been a Cloti translation then, my mistake. :) I just found it while browsing the web back then.

Here's the quote I found from Case of Barret between Cid and Barret: "I see. In the end, it's the women wear the pants."

You're right, they never did say relationship explicitly. Perhaps it is a mistranslation?
I don't think it's the translation which is wrong.

I think it's the interpretation. Cloti's automatically assume that Cloud and Tifa are in a relationship because of that statement. They take it to mean that Tifa is the one in charge in the Cloti relationship. But I think it could be interpreted as Tifa being the boss/manager/leader in where they are living.
Yeah, they could definitely be referencing their platonic relationship, as two people who live together and nothing more. I also think that when Cid made that statement he was also talking about Shera with Barret, and he was probably just talking about women in general too, since as aerbear said, he has made some sexist comments in the past.
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ClerithRaven
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Yeah, they could definitely be referencing their platonic relationship, as two people who live together and nothing more. I also think that when Cid made that statement he was also talking about Shera with Barret, and he was probably just talking about women in general too, since as aerbear said, he has made some sexist comments in the past.
Yep. I agree.

Why is it that for Cloti's, just about anything can be used for Cloud and Tifa?
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Akane
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Nov 17 2011, 03:52 PM
Akane
 
Yeah, they could definitely be referencing their platonic relationship, as two people who live together and nothing more. I also think that when Cid made that statement he was also talking about Shera with Barret, and he was probably just talking about women in general too, since as aerbear said, he has made some sexist comments in the past.
Yep. I agree.

Why is it that for Cloti's, just about anything can be used for Cloud and Tifa?
Because people who are desperate to prove that something is right will use just about anything to get their way. To me, the more stuff they throw at us, the more desperate they seem to push a ship that doesn't have a lot of evidence to begin with.

I feel that the only concrete thing they really have to go on is that Tifa is alive and Aerith is dead. But just because Tifa is "left over" doesn't equate to love... Cloud could just as easily move on to someone else, or choose not to devote himself to anyone. We'll never know for sure. I think if he wanted Tifa he would have acted upon it by AC, at least.

In the same way that Zack and Aerith are together in the Lifestream, that doesn't mean that Aerith will choose Zack over Cloud. In fact we already know that she's chosen to wait for Cloud, or at least any romantic feelings she still retains are for Cloud alone.

To tie in with the original topic, Cloud and Aerith's compatibility is written in the stars, and Tifa's isn't.
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Zack even asked Aerith and she said no in one of the ultimanias. Of course the Cloti's could use this excuse:

If Aerith moved on from Zack, then Cloud could move on to Tifa from Aerith.

Except they don't acknowledge Clerith ever happening, and they think Aerith and Zack are still together.

And even if they used that excuse, there's nothing showing Cloud moved on with Tifa, but there is a quote showing Aerith moved on from Zack.
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Nov 17 2011, 06:42 PM
Zack even asked Aerith and she said no in one of the ultimanias. Of course the Cloti's could use this excuse:

If Aerith moved on from Zack, then Cloud could move on to Tifa from Aerith.

Except they don't acknowledge Clerith ever happening, and they think Aerith and Zack are still together.

And even if they used that excuse, there's nothing showing Cloud moved on with Tifa, but there is a quote showing Aerith moved on from Zack.
I would dispute that by saying that Aerith and Cloud are not the same people with the same internal "wiring." What works for one doesn't always work for the other. And who's to say Cloud would move on with Tifa, when he could very well move on to a complete stranger?

Aerith is more resilient than Cloud is too, so to me it's really no surprise that she moved on from Zack. That's just the kind of person she is-- someone who can bounce back more easily from a painful experience. That isn't to say Cloud can't bounce back, in fact I believe that he will overcome the loss one day, but it may not produce the same result with Tifa.

It reminds me of this lyric from Elton John's Circle of Life.

"Some of us sail through our troubles, and some have to live with the scars."
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Why is it that for Cloti's, just about anything can be used for Cloud and Tifa?

Gaahh, pure and simple, Cait Sith's predictions mean something. No matter what anybody else says!
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