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| Cait Sith's Fortunes True Of False | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 26 2011, 08:13 PM (3,829 Views) | |
| Jon Snow | Sep 26 2011, 08:13 PM Post #1 |
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I know there's a quote saying his fortunes have deep meanings but anymore proof to show his fortunes aren't all wrong? I tried to find Aly's essay but couldn't. :C |
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| Shiva | Sep 27 2011, 08:34 PM Post #2 |
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Here are some quotes about Cait Sith's predictions: Chap. 2, Character in FF7 World Cait Sith's Profile, Chompliation Check (p.61) The name of my divination machine is not Dotty! The collection of Cat Sith’s fortunetelling. Cait Sith ambushed in Gold Saucer and waited for Cloud’s gang. He introduced himself that “I’m a fortuneteller here.” But this is never an absolute lie, fortunetelling is Cait Sith’s innate specialty. His extraordinary ability is shown as "tickets" in FF7, and is also revealed as surmises of destination in BC. The List of Cat Sith's fortunetelling: *In FF7: The location of Sephiroth: “What you pursue will be yours. But you will lose something dear “ The development from now on: “Ordinary luck. It will be an active fortune The affinity * between Cloud and Aerith: “You are perfect for each other! Aerith's star and Cloud's star! They show a great future!" *In BC: The place to find “Support material”. The direction to every door in the Reactor. (FF7 10th Anniversary Ultimania) The last fortune telling from Cat Sith No. 1. After solving the puzzle about Cat Sith's replaceable body, he tells one last fortune of Cloud and Aerith's affinity. The result of it turns out "Aerith-san's star and Cloud-san's star! They promise a great future!" After that, it will become a sad prediction if we get to know what would happen afterward. But if we can catch the meaning of the "future" from another angle, we can see hope.....perhaps. Caption: Cait Sith's lines which seem to expect Cloud and Aerith's wedding now makes it more painful. (FF7 Ultimania Omega, Page 151) The fortune telling with deep meaning. Cait Sith’s divination about the direction toward Sephiroth turns out three consequences. Disregard the previous two, the noticeable one is the third result which becomes the chance for him to follow the party—“What you’re looking for would be yours, but you’ll lose something very dear.” As the storyline moves on to the event of Forgotten City, the “something very dear” can be read as losing Aerith, and it also hint the event of Cloud’s reaching his self breakdown when the story goes to the Northern Crater. Caption: Or does he simply use it as the excuse to join the party? (FFVII UO) |
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| Lady Lifestream | Oct 21 2011, 07:42 AM Post #3 |
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(What happened to the pink of this site???) I know the quotes about Cait Sith's fortune having deep meaning, but recently, I've seen quotes saying that he is often wrong with his fortunes and that they are "as unreliable as himself". Doesn't this contradict the "deep meaning" thingie? I don't have any clue about that - saying this on the one and that on the other hand. Weird... |
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| Akane | Oct 21 2011, 02:39 PM Post #4 |
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The site has been upgraded to Zetaboards, so we lost our old skin. ![]() As for Cait Sith, it might sound like a prediction of a wedding and a great future on the surface, but I think it does have deeper meaning. Aerith never leaves Cloud completely, only physically. They are connected through a powerful spiritual bond and she becomes a part of him through that connection. It's a great future in the sense that although they aren't together in the physical realm, she lives in his consciousness where they can always find each other. I know it's not the ending we all hoped for, but Aerith is his light, and if it weren't for her, I don't think Cloud could have overcome many of the hurdles in his life. (Not to mention it's thanks to her that the Lifestream saved the world, so she basically saved his life.) Her hand is always reaching for his as we've seen twice in the Compilation. Another way I feel like this could be read is more obscure. This makes more sense in my head than in words. I think Sephiroth is like an unnatural force of chaos in the world. He is an affliction on the Planet, just like Jenova. His presence disrupts the natural order of things that otherwise would have been. Thus, Cloud and Aerith would have been together in a natural world, if not for Sephiroth. We all know this. Perhaps this also suggests that fortune telling is only one of many possibilities? Could Aerith have been saved? Maybe. If Cloud had run up to her and pulled her from the altar, if she had waited for the others before taking off for the City of the Ancients... In an alternate timeline, I believe what Cait Sith is suggesting is that Cloud and Aerith would have been married/together. What is correct about his prediction though is that they share a powerful bond-- "Cloud's star and Aerith's star" are eternally aligned. Edited by Akane, Oct 22 2011, 11:36 PM.
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| Lady Lifestream | Oct 21 2011, 04:49 PM Post #5 |
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Yes, I think that, too, but these quotes really bothered me... how can an unreliable fortune have a deep meaning? If they say his fortunes are often wrong, this would sort of contradict the "deep meaning" thingie and that it is his "extraordinary ability". |
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| Rinchan | Oct 22 2011, 02:30 AM Post #6 |
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Remember it's a JRPG, every rumer, legend, myth, fortune, prophesy, ect is or will come true ;) Remember rule 27 of the grand list of RPG cliches. Nostradamus Rule All legends are 100% accurate. All rumors are entirely factual. All prophecies will come true, and not just someday but almost immediately. Edited by Rinchan, Oct 22 2011, 02:32 AM.
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| Anastar | Oct 22 2011, 03:47 PM Post #7 |
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That is beautifully said, Akane, and I totally agree. I've been calling Cloud and Aerith "soul mates" on TLS, but you've said it much better. They are spiritually bonded to one another, and remain connected to one another in that way. Even though they're not together in the physical world, they are still together. Nomura said something similar in his Distance interview: ... we wanted to show that consciousness is what lives on. We took the ending of the game and expanded on that idea. Even if they’re dead, their consciousness is still with us. And yes, I agree that Sephiroth brings chaos to the natural world. He's like the opposite of Aerith, which is why the original commercial basically said that Cloud had an eternal love for Aerith and an eternal hatred for Sephiroth. The way I've always seen that is that, even if his fortunes are often wrong, it doesn't mean that his fortunes are always wrong. When SE verifies that Cait Sith's fortunes are correct, then those predictions are correct - we can't question them. But you have to read what SE says carefully: The fortune telling with deep meaning. Cait Sith’s divination about finding Sephiroth has three results. If you disregard the first two, the noticeable one is the third, which becomes the chance for him to join the party - "What you pursue will be yours. But you will lose something dear." As the storyline moves on to the events of the Forgotten City, the loss of “something dear” can be seen as losing Aerith, or it may hint at Cloud’s self breakdown at the Northern Crater. ~FFVII Ultimania Omega, page 120 The accuracy of Cait Sith's predictions can't be argued here, since SE specifies what his prediction means - that Cloud "will lose something dear" can mean that Cloud loses something dear when Aerith is killed in the Forgotten City. But SE doesn't say that it definitely means that - they say it can mean that. The FFVII UO goes on to say that Cait Sith's prediction in the Temple of Ancients refers to Cloud and Aerith's compatibility: The last fortune telling from the first Cait Sith: Cait Sith having a replacement body is the reason that he agreed to do the puzzle at the Temple of Ancients. He tells one last fortune about Cloud and Aerith's compatibility. The result of it turns out as, "Aerith's star and Cloud's star! They show a great future!" Later, it will become a sad prediction when we get to know what happens afterward. But if we can catch the meaning of the "future" from another angle, we can see hope... perhaps. Caption: Cait Sith's lines which predict Cloud and Aerith's wedding now becomes more painful. ~FFVII Ultimania Omega, page 151 Once again, the accuracy of Cait Sith's prediction can't be argued here, since SE is telling us what Cait Sith's prediction means. But SE makes it clear that they're talking about Cloud and Aerith's compatibility, not necessarily their wedding. From that, we can tell that SE is saying that Cloud and Aerith should be together. Why would they get married if they weren't in love? Why would SE even suggest that Cloud and Aerith will get married if there is no romantic relationship between them? But I find most significant their statement that "... if we can catch the meaning of the "future" from another angle, we can see hope... perhaps." To me, that's referring to Cloud and Aerith's spiritual bond. They aren't together in the physical world, but they are together spiritually. To me, that realization is "catching the meaning of the future from another angle", just like SE suggested.
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| Lady Lifestream | Oct 22 2011, 09:02 PM Post #8 |
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At Anastar Thanks for the reply :3 I think I understood it now. I don't know why, but I just didn't realize that fortunes can be interpretated differently and that the "unreliable-quotes" refer to this xD! When this was brought up, I thought "What the Hell?!" because it seemed to be so... out of place. Making Cait Sith predict something and saying it's wrong after that. So the unreliable-part doesn't refer to Cait Sith's prediction itself but to the possible interpretations of them ![]() |
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| Jon Snow | Oct 22 2011, 10:56 PM Post #9 |
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Oh my glob, thank you so much for those other quotes Shiva! I had been debating this for a while with a neutral on FFF.net forums and they wanted to see the quotes about why Cait's fortunes are significant. So thank you.
Again... Oh, my glob. You said that so perfectly, Akane! Really you said it better than I ever could. That's always how I've looked at the quote. Clotis always think I'm fangirling because it says they'd be married and they'd tell me not to take it seriously because she died. But the whole reason why I love that quote so much is because it still conveys that Cloud and Aerith love each other and that they are meant for one another. That is very significant.
Yes! Some Clotis used to claim that Cloud didn't always hate Sephiroth so the commercial was wrong. But since Nomura referred to Cloud and Sephiroth's relationship as: "FFVII's main character, who even I have a strong attachment to. The single wing that appears when he uses the power of darkness is a homage to his eternal rival, Sephiroth. I think that the scene in the ending with Aerith, which is possible because it is parallel, is one answer." (Nomura) That means the commercial doesn't hold any false information. I completely agree, Aly. ![]()
Well, I was recently told by a Cloti I was just debating with that they did that because they wanted to build up Aerith as a character. And also that it was done because it was to show her affections towards Cloud. I already explained to them that it says BOTH of their compatibility is perfect for each other but they just insist that the wedding thing was thrown in to make her one-sided love more tragic when she died. I think it's a buncha hooey, myself. I mean, why build up Cloud and Aerith's relationship at all if Cloud really didn't love Aerith?
I agree so much with this whole quote. That's always how I've taken that too. Sure their physical future is prevented from expanding. But when Cloud finally reaches the end of his life, the rest of his spiritual eternity(life) will be right there beside Aerith--forever together. That is a future. A spiritual future unlike what the living go through, but still a future. And to me, Cloud and Aerith being with each other in the promised land and in heart is one of the most beautiful things about ANY FF couple. And even if Cloud ever got with some random chick to have offspring, I wouldn't care. Because I'd know that it will be Aerith he'll be returning to when his life ends. |
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| Akane | Oct 23 2011, 12:04 AM Post #10 |
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Thanks Anastar and Calilily!! I'm happy to help clear up a few loose ends. :) To add to this, I also think this implies that Cloud and Tifa's stars are not aligned, meaning that they are not in harmony with one another, meaning that they won't end up happily ever after, or at least not as happy as Cloud could have been with Aerith. Cait Sith says beforehand, "I can't say it. Poor Tifa..." He doesn't want to hurt Tifa's feelings here, but he can already tell that it won't work out. After all, if Tifa was as equally compatible with Cloud as Aerith is, why would he need to feel sorry for her? She'd still have a shot. Bottom line: She doesn't. And he knows it. I believe that this implied prediction also came true. Just look at Advent Children and Case of Tifa. Moral of the argument: Don't settle. :) Ever. |
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| ClerithRaven | Oct 23 2011, 10:37 AM Post #11 |
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^This just further convinced me about a quote with Nojima. It was Nojima right? I get their names mixed up. Well, it was the quote where he said that they still would have problems even if Sephy or the Geostigma wasn't present. And like you said, it shows in AC/C and CoT. Cait Sith's prediction really ain't that bad or unreliable. |
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| Jon Snow | Oct 23 2011, 06:20 PM Post #12 |
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Yes, that was Nojima, ClerithRaven. And I completely agree with you two about the "poor Tifa" thing Cait says.
You really said it quite perfectly. Why would Cait sith say something like that? I think your right. It gives the impression that Cloud and Tifa's stars/compatibility are terrible together (kinda like what Nojima said) or that Cait Sith knew that Cloud didn't love her. Either way, it's a negative for C/T. |
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| ClerithRaven | Oct 24 2011, 01:13 AM Post #13 |
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Maybe that's why they don't want us to use Cait Sith's predictions. I just realized something... Cait Sith is a Clerith!
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| revan | Oct 24 2011, 01:16 AM Post #14 |
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Take that, C/Ts
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| Jon Snow | Oct 24 2011, 02:14 AM Post #15 |
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So is Yuffie, Cid, Barret, and Vincent (and Red if I remember right)when they all go up to Cloud during her death and make their own assumption that he was the one feeling the most pain from her death, they all pay Cloud condolences like he and Aerith were a couple or in love. THAT to me tells me everyone except Tifa(shocker!) assumed Cloud and Aerith were together romantically. So in my opinion, they're all Clourith shippers.
Edited by Jon Snow, Oct 24 2011, 02:16 AM.
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Sure their physical future is prevented from expanding. But when Cloud finally reaches the end of his life, the rest of his spiritual eternity(life) will be right there beside Aerith--forever together. That is a future. A spiritual future unlike what the living go through, but still a future. And to me, Cloud and Aerith being with each other in the promised land and in heart is one of the most beautiful things about ANY FF couple.
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