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Naminé/roxas/xion/riku; How are your thoughts about this?
Topic Started: Jul 5 2011, 06:29 PM (1,317 Views)
Lady Lifestream
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I am a bit confused about this whole pairing stuff.

We know that Kairi and Sora are in love with each other; therefore, their nobodies could be, too. But I am so confused that there was never confirmed that there was really love between them or which couple was now - kind of - official or intended.

RoxasxNaminé
A very well known and also very sweet pairing. Naminé tells Roxas the truth about his existence after he had amnesia and was caught in a fake Twilight Town. Though it was confirmed (in the manga) that Naminé indeed loved Sora in Chain of Memories, she soon develops a close bond to Roxas, his nobody, who seems to cherish Naminé very much, too. In the end, they are reunited, and both Sora and Kairi and Roxas and Naminé are happily reunited. This pairing has - in my opinion - the most evidence, but still... there was RoxasxXion

RoxasxXion
Back when he was part of the organisation, he soon cared very much about the new girl named Xion. Maybe it was because she is actually a clone of Roxas with Soras memories of Kairi inside her, but he soon feels attracted to her and vice versa. Axel and Roxas are actually speaking one time about love in context of Xion! I will check this later, but Roxas talks about Xion being so distanced and angry lately, and Axel says that girls are much more complex than boys and that love is a strange thing (I will check that later, I don´t remember this accurately). Roxas cries heavily when Xion dies in his very arms, a heartbreaking scene. With Xion inside him, he chooses to do what she asked him for immediately: to free Kingdom Hearts. With Xion inside him, he is now able to call his own Keyblade (Oathkeeper) and Xions Keyblade (Oblivion (in German: Memory)). Roxas wants now to fight Xemnas, a thing the Xion inside him does not agree with because she thinks Roxas would not stand against him. She then begs Riku to stop Roxas (a strange thing because she asked him to do this before her death!), and the Xion inside Roxas throws the Oblivion to Riku. After Riku defeated Roxas, Xion tells him that it is okay if Roxas does not remember her because she does remember him. She is only mentioned again in one of Naminés drawings in KHII.

RikuxNaminé
A pairing I do not believe in. Riku and Naminé both work for DiZ, and though, they do not seem to be very close. Riku just disagrees with DiZ to kill Naminé, but did not show any other affection to her.

RikuxXion
A pairing I also do not believe in. Though Xion followed Riku because she wanted to know who she really was, he was ultimately responsible for her death without regretting it much, so it seemed. The first time they meet, he beats the crap out of her and does not seem to have problems with it, offending her in believing that her keyblade is a fake and a shame.

AxelxXion
I can see the point in that. Axel seems to care very much about her, but still, I don´t think he is in love with her or the other way around.

So I am quite confused about this whole pairing stuff, mostly because I have no acess to the KH Ultimanias (where creators usually hint at some pairings ;P), and I wanted to ask you all if you had acess to a few pair-related quotes :blush:
Would be very nice *________________*
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My opinions:

Sora x Kairi is a duh, yes it's canon and should be.

Roxas x Namine is more like friendship to me, it's just weird to picture them together. They look like bro and sis though which throws me off a bit.

Roxas x Xion is also off to me, mostly because I hated Xion and just shook my head. I think he's better with Namine...if they didn't look related >>

Riku x anyone = no. He should be left single.
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Jul 5 2011, 07:06 PM
Riku x anyone = no. He should be left single.

AGREED!
Though he may be nice to everyone he's never once shown any "love" affection towards any of the girls. MAYBE a little with Kairi, but he let go after finding out that she liked Sora.
Riku is a kind person at heart. He would fight for all of his friends. At least that's what I believe.
& I also agree because Riku is mine and mine alone. :devil: yea you heard me he's MINE :woot:
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Roxas x Xion is also off to me, mostly because I hated Xion and just shook my head.

Well, I just thought about Roxas showing deep affection to her and vice versa. I like Xion. I know, she wasn´t necessary and all, the story goes on without her, but this is why I like her so much. Everybody has forgotten her, no one (except Naminé) remembers her, and she isn´t very related to the story. She is the reason why Roxas can hold two Keyblades at once (implying that Xion had a heart, too, because someone can only hold a Keyblade if one has the heart for that), and why Sora can even hold three Keyblades at once. The only thing that still exists after she vanished is the Oblivion/Memory Keyblade.
She felt lost, she was excluded by all except Roxas and later Axel, there was a berserk bullying her, there was a guy calling her and her keyblade a sham even if she didn´t do a thing to him, and this made her furious. She didn´t know who or what she was, she had memories inside her head she didn´t knew of, and no one gave her answers. The organisation itself tries to kill her or force her to kill Roxas. The only guy giving her acess to informations was the same guy that called her a sham. She leaves Roxas, but is sad about that, while later, she is forced to return, just to run away again and meeting a woman that tells her she had to die so that other could be happy. She agrees with that, is forced to return again, and later forces Roxas to kill her because she knows she would kill him if she lived any longer.
She did not have the chance to fully grow a personality, in my opinion. Fate was awfully cruel to her, so I don´t think she deserves to be hated by so many people.
Disliking her is okay, but I see so much people saying "Xion was so awfull and good for nothing and KH doesn´t need her". In my opinion, she was a very well written character, just like Naminé.

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Roxas x Namine is more like friendship to me, it's just weird to picture them together. They look like bro and sis though which throws me off a bit.

This is right, I thought that, too! xD
Blonde hair, blueish eyes, a similar skintone, both wearing white... they look like twins xD
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Well, none of those pairings have been declared as canon. It's all up to the player, they can ship whatever they like. I'm pretty sure there aren't really any quotes talking about the pairings, either. I don't own any of the Ultimanias, and it's hard to find full translations, but I'm pretty sure I haven't seen any talk about romantic feelings. (Perhaps some character profiles could have something - I need to search for more translations.) After all, Kingdom Hearts is more about friendship and the balance between light and darkness, so there's not really much focus on romantic feelings - besides Sora and Kairi. They're so canon that it's starting to turn against them...

My own personal opinions are quite colorful~ I ship Roxas/Naminé, and while playing KH2 I clearly got the idea that they somewhat cared for each other; Naminé felt sympathy towards Roxas, another abused nobody, while Roxas grew to trust Naminé, who was the only one trying to tell him the truth. In the end they were happy and wanted to be together everyday. And of course we saw them smiling at each other sweetly. Some people try to claim that Naminé cared only about Sora, but that's not true. (I also don't see manga series as canon since it changes the plot so much) She did everything to help Sora, of course, and greatly cared for him, but she cared for other people, too. She also kinda ignored him in the end, and talked to Roxas instead. However, it's easy to see Roxas/Naminé as just friends, too. Before KH2 came out (and I hadn't played CoM) I even thought they were a brother and a sister *laughs*

I hate Xion, so it's not a surprise I don't ship Roxas/Xion. However, they greatly care for each other (there's the line "what mattered the most was remembered the least"),though it seems to be more like platonic love, a deep friendship, since Nomura clearly has a thing for those :D I'm keeping this short (before I start ranting about how stupid the plot of 358/2 is and how I hate Nomura for changing things that had already been explained) so let's just say it's more up to the players. It's clear that if I liked Xion, I'd easily be shipping them. They have many sweet moments together, and lots and lots of dialogue underlining how much they care for each other. But like I said, it can be easily seen as platonic love, too. Whatever floats your boat. After all, Xion wrote that she loved both Roxas and Axel, so to me it seems she's not putting one above the other.

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She is the reason why Roxas can hold two Keyblades at once (implying that Xion had a heart, too, because someone can only hold a Keyblade if one has the heart for that), and why Sora can even hold three Keyblades at once. The only thing that still exists after she vanished is the Oblivion/Memory Keyblade.

No, Ventus is the reason why Roxas can wield two Keyblades. Xion just... err, activated that ability or something.

Riku/Xion does have little ground, too, since they spend some time together and Xion sees Riku as her ally in her horrible situation. Someone she can count on when everything is a mess and she doesn't know what to do. Riku also seems to care for her (even if just a bit), and when he lost his memories of her it was made in such a dramatic way - as if those memories mattered to him. If he didn't care for her at all, then that scene wouldn't be there. But then again, there's nothing really big going on, so they can be seen as just friends or less, too. I don't really ship this pairing - not because it has quite a little "evidence", but because I prefer Riku alone. Not everyone needs a love interest! ;3

Axel/Xion, pfft. Axel only sees Roxas. End of the story. No, seriously, of course Axel cares for her, and wouldn't kill her even if being ordered to. But he seems to be more worried about Roxas' well-being. That's the way I see it, and while I can see people liking this ship, it doesn't really move me at all. Hating Xion may have something to do with it...

Oops, I got carried away again! Anyway, my point was that in Kingdom Hearts, there aren't really romantic feelings going on, since the story focuses on friendships. It's Nomura's world after all, and he isn't really interested in romances between characters.

And everyone knows KH is a yaoi fan's Wonderland...
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Sadly KH is a yaoi fan's wonderland. *is a yaoi fan*

Roxas x Axel, Riku x Sora are done more then anything in the fandom. HOWEVER Nomura won't confirm any couples between the regular characters: Roxas, Ventus, Sora, Riku, Namine, Kairi, Xion, Axel, etc.

They will however confirm disney couples, and if we're lucky they might confirm: Leon x Rinoa(KH3 since the letter is from her), and Cloud x Aerith. >>

But that's about it.
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Seriously there were so many funny hints of Sora and Riku it was hilarious in KH. :lmao:

The only couple that I would consider as a proper couple would be Sora and Kairi because its pretty obvious that SE is saying that they are love interests. Even though I don't like Kairi she cares a lot about Sora and he does for her. Sora loves Riku though really.

I don't have an opinion on other pairings like Roxas and Namine or Roxas and Xion because I don't see it. I'm like FeraNelia on the Xion side because I really do not like her and her character at all. Riku and Axel should stay single IMO and I don't see Namine with anyone.

And yes Roxas is able to dual wield because Xion's death awakens the power in Ventus' heart to use his keyblade. Roxas is able to wield the keyblade because he is Sora's Nobody but since he has Ventus' heart then he is able to use Ventus'.

I like SoraxRoxas but no twin cest stuff its just yuck.
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Jul 6 2011, 05:40 PM
Seriously there were so many funny hints of Sora and Riku it was hilarious in KH. :lmao:

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Kuki Prower
Jul 6 2011, 05:40 PM
I like SoraxRoxas but no twin cest stuff its just yuck.

Holy cow, I'm not alone in this world after all! <3 (The only yaoi pairing in KH that I really like...)

Yes, besides Sora/Kairi there aren't really romantic feelings between the original characters. Disney characters are a different thing since most of the movies are greatly focused on romances~ *laughs* And of course I hope to see more Cleris stuff, but then again SE will always be careful when it comes to the LT... Darn.

Hopefully Rinoa makes an appearance, I'd like to see her KH design!
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Yes, besides Sora/Kairi there aren't really romantic feelings between the original characters. Disney characters are a different thing since most of the movies are greatly focused on romances~ *laughs* And of course I hope to see more Cleris stuff, but then again SE will always be careful when it comes to the LT... Darn.

Yes I think so to. There has not been much interaction between the original characters romantic wise and also I feel that the friendship between them all is something that the story portrays as being very strong which also makes the characters more interesting in my opinion. Especially with the main trio Sora, Kairi and Riku they pretty much most of the time seperated during the series until they all reunite in the final world of KHII.

Sora likes some ass XD.

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Holy cow, I'm not alone in this world after all! <3 (The only yaoi pairing in KH that I really like...)

It is made of awesomeness.
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No, Ventus is the reason why Roxas can wield two Keyblades. Xion just... err, activated that ability or something.

I do not agree. Someone can only hold a keyblade if one has a heart. First it was said that Roxas was a Nobody, but he was able to cry, laugh, have feelings etc.
It was said that he was a special nobody, and Axel even asks him if he had a heart, a thing he does not deny.
Then Ventus came up, who had his heart split into two shards. When old man Xehanort brought him to Destiny Islands, Ventus borrowed a piece of Soras heart and lived with that. Later, his heart went missing when he froze and it got back to Sora, who got his own heartshard and Ventus heart back.
Then Kairi vanished and her heart got inside Sora, too.
So at the time of his stabbing, he has actually his own heart, Ventus heart and Kairis heart within him. Strangely, he releases only two hearts - Kairis and presumably Ventus heart. Then he becomes a heartless, but Kairi hugs him and he is transformed back. Still, we only see two of three hearts escape, meaning that Soras might have stayed inside him while he was a heartless and that this might be the reason Kairi was able to transform him back.
So when Ventus heart broke free, I think it became Roxas. A nobody is usually born from the heartless body and the soul - but we know that Sora did never loose his body, a strange thing... so how was Roxas born? Or has Sora actually no body and his heart transformed into a second body or something like this? Fact is that Roxas was born, that he looks just like Ventus, that he dresses almost the same and that he is able to wield a keyblade - but to wield a keyblade, one has to have a heart.
So when Roxas was later cloned in Castle Oblivion (I wonder when they did that), Soras memory of Kairi escaped somehow and got into that Roxas clone. This Roxas clone had already a heart because Xion is able to wield the keyblade at the date of her birth.
So we have to pay attention to the fact that a nobody can not wield a keyblade because he or she has no heart to do that. Even if the former somebody was able to wield a keyblade, the nobody is not.
So Roxas is able to hold one keyblade at that time, and that always.
When Xion merges with him, he is somehow able to wield her keyblade, too, which transforms into the Oblivion (the memory of Xion).
So when Roxas returned to Sora, he gave him back both the heart of Ventus and his copied heart/Xions heart, so he is able to wield three keyblades at one time. He even proves that when he steals both Keyblades from Roxas in battle, wielding them together with his own.
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When Xion merges with him, he is somehow able to wield her keyblade, too, which transforms into the Oblivion (the memory of Xion).
So when Roxas returned to Sora, he gave him back both the heart of Ventus and his copied heart/Xions heart, so he is able to wield three keyblades at one time. He even proves that when he steals both Keyblades from Roxas in battle, wielding them together with his own.

Sorry, but no. From BBS Ultimania:

Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?
(Nomura) A: Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’ keyblades.
Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus’ as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield.


And from 358/2 Ultimania:

Q: In the end Roxas is able use two keyblades. Is this because he now has Xion’s?

Nomura: Well, it isn’t that Roxas has physically inherited Xion’s keyblade, but more that Xion has awakened it within Roxas. In the KH series there are a lot of complex reasons why someone can use a keyblade, but basically you need a “heart” to be able to wield one. So strictly speaking, they are being influenced by Sora. At the present I can’t say more than that, since it would go into whether or not Roxas has a heart. And there is also a part that has to do with Xehanort’s memories. This time there were connections to the Kingdom Hearts I secret movie, and the time will come when this will have a clear connection as well. You’ll just have to ask me then.


So Nomura is saying that Xion, like Roxas, can wield a Keyblade because of her connection to Sora. (And when BBS came out, he hinted that Roxas might have Ventus' heart.) Roxas did NOT get Xion's Keyblade, Xion just awakened the power within him to wield two at the same time; his and Ventus'. And thus Sora can wield three at the most; his, Roxas' and Ventus'.

The whole Roxas/Ventus part from BBS Ultimania:

Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?

A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus.

Q2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297?

A: Because he had gotten to close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Room of Awakening. Both Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’ “real selves”, and when he felt their presence it made him faint.

Q3: Is it possible that Roxas has a heart?

A: It is thought that it could be Ventus’ heart.

Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?

A: Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’ keyblades. Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus’ as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once
Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield.


So it's been confirmed by Nomura that Roxas' ability is from Ventus, and after merging with Roxas, Sora was able to use that ability too. Xion just awakened that power.
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O.O...!
Oh.
Well... I was totally wrong, I´m sorry!!! :no:
I look for interviews like these so that my imagination does not lead me wrong xDDD!
I always thought that...!
Well, okay, it´s wrong, so not think too much about that xD
I still can´t believe...

Do you have more interviews like that/the link to the sites where they can be found? :hyper:
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It's okay, KH is such a mess that without Nomura clearing things now and then, everyone would be confused :D

GameFAQS has a topic where you can find somewhat all of Nomura's interviews from KH Ultimanias, here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/943347-king...-sleep/57971099

They're really interesting, and of course Nomura keeps hinting of the upcoming events in KH3..!
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Ayyy, thank you!
*hugs*
KH is confuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusin >.<
With FF, there were never such problems xD
Everything is - more or less - easy to understand xD
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