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You Know What I'm Tired Of
Topic Started: Jun 19 2011, 07:31 PM (487 Views)
Jon Snow
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I am SO freaking tired of so many Clotis writing up these big plot summaries for VII and they always take away from Aerith's existence both in story and to Cloud and focus on Cloud's supposed "love" for Tifa. It's like that's all VII is to them... nothing but that.

Just recently I read one summary and it glorified Tifa as some center of Cloud's world or some crap like that but then it completely skipped over anything to do with Aerith and Cloud. They made it AVALANCHE that decided to go rescue Aerith when it was really Cloud that did. That's just a few.

I want to so badly make up a plot summary for the game telling it as it is for real, but I'd need help. My sister expects me to write a summary for the game that's more honest and she wants it to be longer than the biased one, but I'm not sure I can by myself.

Here it is:
http://www.finalfantasyforums.net/showthread.php?t=48745

Now, I give props to this person for writing one up, that takes some dedication, but seriously, some of the stuff said in it is REALLY REALLY dead wrong. I respect the person as a fan of VII but they shouldn't spread their views as if they're SQUARE ENIX staff. It strips the game of all it is.

I guess I made this to rant but also, ask if anyone would consider writing up a plot summary for VII that isn't biased and more neutral or at least more honest.


But don't these "summaries" just grind your gears? <_<
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aerithbunny
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holy cow that's bad. The game FF7 is not JUST the LT!!!!!

There's other plots in it! I mean like I dunno: Shinra trying to kill the planet, evil Sephiroth trying to kill the planet, Cid hating Shinra for what they did to him. I mean COME ON when I first started playing FF7 I though Tifa and Barret would have been a cute couple because he seemed to give a sh*t whereas Cloud didn't. CLEARLY Cloud liking Tifa must be forced on BY the player and she is not the center of his universe AT ALL.

btw lmao family guy reference with grind your gears. XP

BUT seriously! There's a bunch of other things in FF7 besides the freakin' love triangle.
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Jon Snow
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I know *head desk* they just didn't focus on anything that the game was really focusing on. If you read it, you'll notice how there's a BIG OLD part for Cloud and Tifa before the promise scene. They even say Cloud and Tifa had gotten to know each other before the promise scene... i'm just like... no. <_<

(glad you like the Family guy reference xD)
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Alan Bates
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Honestly, in the big scheme of thing, TIFA isn't even all that important.
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aerithbunny
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Well I'm sort a fanatical Clerith. I don't care that FF7 isn't real and all that jazz. So I'm VERY strongly opinionated on this couple. The truth is if I'd written several series: FF7, Fruits Basket, and FF10 series I probably would have done things differently. Such as at the end of FF10 just putting a scene in where two years later we see Tidus rise up instead of the whole game of X-2. OR X-2 something bad could have happened aside from Sin and then maybe have made it a serious game. In FF7 I would have had Cloud and Aerith kiss at some point to make them completely canon with no questions. The point being, I'm not a fan of people saying things and then calling them canon with NO proof.

The point being, when someone writes something like this and then declares it's what the game was ACTUALLY about then it's wrong. There were a ton of things in FF7 besides the love triangle. And although I'm an avid Clerith and I do tend to get very opinionated and scary about the couple I like, even I realize that there was a bunch more to this game.
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It was at this point that Cloud went a little insane. Please try to understand the trauma Cloud has just endured. He has lost his home, his family, his dreams, the girl he liked, had his memories ripped away from him and now he just lost his one and only friend.

He really should of said " Girl that he had a slight crush on ". As it's known that Cloud a "dim" crush on her. Saying " Girl he liked " does make it a bit biased.

In Midgar for 5 years before Tifa finds him on the street and hires him to work for Avalanche.

Yeah this is true.

Since I see no need to recap every event in the game, I will merely skip through the various quests and encounters and land upon the events that are pertinent to explaining the plot.

Ha. He's missing out on Cloud meeting Aerith is the Midgar Slums, and meeting Aerith in the church. Those are important moments in the game, and yet he still skipped them ?

After the flashback, Tifa seems quiet and uncertain. SHE knows that something isn't right about Cloud. Cloud says that he was there at Nibelheim five years ago

Yeah. This is right.

As Tifa says later on, "I felt there was something strange about the things you talked about. All the things you didn't know that you should. And other things you shouldn't know that you did..."

Nothing on Aerith's thoughts about his identity. He doesn't even cover the date Cloud had with Aerith. :/

Or maybe she uses a spell involving cheese and a paper cup, for all I know. There's really no evidence in the games that explains how she can, but in both the game and the movie, we see that she can make herself appear and can interact with the living world. All I can tell you is that she can do it. I've no other information other than that. Your speculation is as good as mine

This is the ONLY thing he mentions about Aerith.

It does seem a little bit biased for something that's only meant to explain the Final Fantasy VII plot. It's not out there in the open, but it is underneath the lines.
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Kaleta
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It is biased. The very fact they left out aerith and cloud's encounters with her is a major plot hole. Without aerith, there would have been no tifa. Simple as, if Aerith didnt die, Tifa would have never been made to carry out Aerith's ORIGINAL roles.

The plot crumbles with aerith, simple as. So people like that person who misses things out like that, IMO are just trying to sway the neutrals. Pretty pathetic when they claim their couple is canon.
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Alan Bates
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(Do you really think Zack died just taking out a squad or two of Shinra goons? NO! He wiped out half a damn army!

This annoys me.

The person puts their faith in the blatant fanwaking prequals. In FF7, Zack WAS killed by three shinra troops after being on the run for some time. There was no epic fight. He got gunned down like a dog.

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Professor Gast, in his travels, finds a sole suriving Cetra. Her name is Ifalna. He stays with her through the hard winter at the Knowlespole (where the Cetra originally lived) to interview and learn from her.

No. This is Not where they originally lived. They only gathered here to try and repair the damage Jenova caused.

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While Shinra is trying to hunt down Aerith and Ifalna, Hojo continues with his experiments. He has none of the subtly (or humanity) of Gast. He marries and impregnates one of his lab assistants -- Lucrecia -- and then injects Jenova cells into her womb and their unborn child.

Sephiroth is actually several years older than Aeris. So this is wrong too.

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Well, Hojo managed to isolate the gene that allows for the shape-shifting and transferred that ability into Vincent (some might recognize it as the Chaos gene) -- that is why all of Vincent's limit breaks are different shape-shifting forms. That is also why Vincent does not appear to age -- the J-cells have effectively no sense of "aging" since they can take on whatever form they want, young or old.

Is this some spinoff thing that they came up with in the sequals or is this guy just making stuff up again?

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When Tifa wakes up, the two become a bit closer until one night a young Cloud tells a young Tifa that he's going to join SOLDIER.

Yeah.. they weren't close.

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AT THIS POINT, SEPHIROTH IS PHYSICALLY DEAD.

Pure conjecture.

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Normally, as we see happening with the "clones" later on, Cloud should have fallen into a coma-like state and died. But the resilience of the human mind is not to be underestimated. Using the adventures told to him by Zack and mixing in his own experiences, Cloud created a world that his mind could adapt to. It was spun from half-truths and lies, but it worked. Ashamed of being weak and losing his dreams, of being unable to defend his family, his friends, even himself, Cloud decided to abandon that reality and made a new one where the story had changed, had made HIM the hero.

THIS I'm suprised the person manages to get even close to being right.

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Thus, Cloud begins to doubt if his motives are truly his own. He begins to think that he really is nothing more than a puppet. He has memories... but as we know by now, those memories are heavily edited and any others that would prove Sephiroth wrong have been deeply buried in his mind. In fact, he starts to believe in these lies and doubt himself so much that he actually starts to do things he believes he has no control over.

Like handing the Black Materia over to Sephiroth, like beating up Aerith, like trying to kill Aerith under the Forbidden City. Since for Cloud dream has become just as powerful as reality, all Sephiroth had to do was to subtly change that false role Cloud had been playing. Cloud is an actor, playing a role not his own -- Sephiroth was simply changing the script to suit his needs.

This part is where I just give up reading the whole BS. This person is trying to say Cloud attacked Aeris because he thought he was supposed to.

This person has no damned idea what they're talking about.
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Jon Snow
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Thank you Alan! I got to about the same place as you stopped because how I annoyed I had become but I had to read it all since I'm planning on replying to all of it. On my first read through I saw the same mistakes you saw and a couple more.

Alan Bates
 
This annoys me.

The person puts their faith in the blatant fanwaking prequals. In FF7, Zack WAS killed by three shinra troops after being on the run for some time. There was no epic fight. He got gunned down like a dog.

THIS. 100%.
Alan Bates
 
This person has no damned idea what they're talking about.

Tell me about it. <_< And they think they're a God. I mean, they're nice and all, but spreading this false info as if it's God's word is just wrong. Twisting the game doesn't make what they're saying true. Just ruins the game. :unsure:


Kaleta
 
It is biased. The very fact they left out aerith and cloud's encounters with her is a major plot hole. Without aerith, there would have been no tifa. Simple as, if Aerith didnt die, Tifa would have never been made to carry out Aerith's ORIGINAL roles.

That's what I noticed to. :no:


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He really should of said " Girl that he had a slight crush on ". As it's known that Cloud a "dim" crush on her. Saying " Girl he liked " does make it a bit biased.

Thank you. That's what I was gonna say too.


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Ha. He's missing out on Cloud meeting Aerith is the Midgar Slums, and meeting Aerith in the church. Those are important moments in the game, and yet he still skipped them ?

Yeah... that just... ugh, annoyed me. I mean, sheesh, the person didn't have to write all that. I respect 'em and all, but doing that was just... so wrong.
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