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Which character could FF7 have survived without having?
Aerith (I hope no one chooses this one) 0 (0%)
Cloud (O__o) 0 (0%)
Tifa 3 (16.7%)
Vincent 1 (5.6%)
Yuffie 7 (38.9%)
Sephiroth 0 (0%)
Barret 0 (0%)
Cait Sith(Reeve) 1 (5.6%)
Cid 0 (0%)
Red XIII 0 (0%)
Rufus 0 (0%)
Rude 1 (5.6%)
Reno 0 (0%)
Elena 3 (16.7%)
Tseng 1 (5.6%)
Marlene 1 (5.6%)
Hojo 0 (0%)
None, all characters were necessary. 0 (0%)
Total Votes: 18
Could Ff7 Have Survived?; the game itself and characters...
Topic Started: May 10 2011, 09:48 PM (584 Views)
aerithbunny
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Has anyone ever thought about the characters in Final Fantasy 7? Thought maybe some of them didn't really need to be there, and still don't need to be there? Well I just thought I'd ask.

Edit: if this is in the wrong area or anything lemme know. Sorry if it is. T__T
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Myko
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That's a good questions. Honestly, the only ones I can see as not very essential are Rude and Yuffie. Most of the spotlight for the Turks is on Reno, Tseng, or Rufus, and Elena was added as a Turk after Reno's injuries early on.
As for Yuffie she was an optional character, but unlike Vincent who has connections to Hojo and Sephiroth, all she really does is steal your materia, lead you to Wutai, and after that... she's not really essential.

That's what I see, everyone else has an important part in the story, even Yuffie and Rude, but their roles aren't as strong as say... Aerith and Cloud.
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Vixie
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Well, out of the characters listed I would say FFVII needed:

Cloud: Obvious, he's the main character.
Sephiroth: We needed the constant threat of world destruction and Aerith's death was a huge plot point.
Aerith: Obvious, her role in saving the Planet is pivotal.
Tifa: Obvious, her knowledge is the key to unravelling Cloud's messed up head.
Barret: He's the leader of Avalanche, their actions set the plot in motion.
Cait Sith: He sacrificed himself for an important plot item.
Rufus: He was acting against Sephiroth, and destroyed his barrier.
Turks: (namely Reno and Tseng) Reno dropped the plate on Sector 7 which was a major plot event leading to Aerith being captured by Tseng and the whole rescue and escape from Midgar.
Hojo: Everything happened because of him! Asshole...

Everyone else is expendable. Sorry Red XIII, but you must be used to that by now! :rolleyes:

Edit: Someone voted for Tifa. Really guys, really?
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aerithbunny
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This is not a debate, it's just asking for the opinions on who is expendable and who is not in people's eyes. I mean you CAN debate...frankly I put up the poll because I wondered what people thought about the characters of FF7 and their roles.

I completely agree with Yuffie, Red XIII...I can't really remember why he was so important now that I think about it.
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Anastar
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Vixie
May 10 2011, 10:09 PM
Well, out of the characters listed I would say FFVII needed:

Cloud: Obvious, he's the main character.
Sephiroth: We needed the constant threat of world destruction and Aerith's death was a huge plot point.
Aerith: Obvious, her role in saving the Planet is pivotal.
Tifa: Obvious, her knowledge is the key to unravelling Cloud's messed up head.
Barret: He's the leader of Avalanche, their actions set the plot in motion.
Cait Sith: He sacrificed himself for an important plot item.
Rufus: He was acting against Sephiroth, and destroyed his barrier.
Turks: (namely Reno and Tseng) Reno dropped the plate on Sector 7 which was a major plot event leading to Aerith being captured by Tseng and the whole rescue and escape from Midgar.
Hojo: Everything happened because of him! Asshole...

Everyone else is expendable. Sorry Red XIII, but you must be used to that by now!

I agree with everything you said, Vixie, except for one thing - could another character have done what you attributed to a single character? For example, could someone else, like Barret or Cid, have grown up in the same town with Cloud and know enough to get his memories back? Could a character other than Rufus, like Reno, be acting against Sephiroth? Could someone other than Cait Sith sacrifice himself?

I think most of those roles are replaceable by someone else. It just wouldn't have been as much fun. :lol:

As for Red XIII, he led them to Bugenhagen, who explained stuff like how Holy worked. I think that was the main purpose for Red XIII.

I think Marlene was expendable - she didn't really do much that was integral to the plot. Anything done by Elena and Tseng could've been done by Rude or Reno. Cid seems a good one for ripping off the materia instead of Yuffie. :lol:
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Alan Bates
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Aeris, Cloud, and Sephiroth were the only ones that were REALLY in-expendable.

You also need the Shinra, although you don't necessarily need any particular members of them as long as somebody is in charge of the immoral money grubbing corporation, then you're good. Hojo would probably be the hardest of them to replace.

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Angelalex242
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The original 3 heroes were Cloud, Aerith, and Barret. You need one more so you have a party of 3, and the one most important to the compilation as a whole is Vincent.

The rest of the party, not so much essential.

Bad guys, you need Sephiroth and Hojo. You need Rufus, because somebody's gotta run Evil Inc. And you need at least one Turk. But that's it.
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aerithbunny
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Wow this thread has brought up a lot of good questions. Such as could someone else have grown up with Cloud? I do agree with explaining holy being why Red XIII was there.

And really, did we even need the materia ripped off though?

Vincent was important, in fact the facts he was an "optional character" made no sense to me in the first place. Characters I see as most important: Cloud, Barret, Aerith, Cid(airship), Red XIII (holy), Rufus, I'd say at least two turks so the one is not alone that is needed, Hojo, Sephiroth, Jenova(whose name I forgot to put up, but I mean, so not expendable), Cait Sith(Reeve) for various reasons actually such as the back stabber point and the whole inside Shinra person in your party. But that's about it now that I think about it.
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Zeryll
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I guess they could have done without so many characters. Yuffie's character was quite pointless to me, since Wutai is an optional place, after all. Also, Tifa's role could have easily replaced by someone else, e.g. Aeris as they originally planned. Maybe they just wanted to create a big world with many people instead of just focusing on a few of them.

Also, the party wouldn't have necessarily included so many characters. Cloud, Aeris, Barret and Vincent would have done just fine as playable characters (I'm still annoyed by the fact Vincent is "just" an optional character though he holds quite imporant connection to Hojo and Sephiroth). Let's say Red XIII: he could have led the party to his grandfather without joining the party permanently. Or he could have sacrificed himself - who knows?

But I think at least Tifa, Yuffie, Red XIII, and Rude's roles could have been replaced easily, if SE only had wanted so.
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Jon Snow
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Tifa... could the game have survived without her? I think so... but then I think no. She was the only one alive that could have proven to Cloud he was a real person. If Zack had lived then yeah, Tifa would be pretty useless. But since Zack died too, we need her to confirm that Cloud was in fact a real person and not just some clone.

So, yeah, we need Tifa in the game if not solely for that one scene/fact.

We definitely need Aerith, as well. There's tons of reasons but mainly, she was the one who got Cloud to
a. join in the fight to save the planet in the first place
b. eventually caused him to figure out that Sephiroth was up and about

both in which if Cloud had not taken part in or discovered would have never gotten the story going. If Cloud would have never went after Aerith to save her from Shinra he would have never found out Sephiroth was up to something. If he had never met Aerith, he would have never joined Avalanche to fight for the planet.

So, I think the game needs Aerith more so than anyone else besides Sephiroth and Cloud, of course.
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Dreamstar
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I honestly think all the characters have a meaning!

Cloud - Main hero; it would be too cheesy to kill him off!
Tifa - Cloud's memory helper.
Aerith - Planet protector and she can heal everyone!
Barrett - Leader
Cid - He got us flying.
Yuffie - Most people would say she was useless. But to me she helped kick some ass!
Vincent - Person who knows a lot on Sephiroth etc.
Cait Sith - He sacrificed himself a lot for ya!
Red XIII - Helped give knowledge of the ancients to Aerith by meeting his grandfather!
Shinra - Gave us our story!
Sephiroth - Our villain!
Denzel - Cloud thought he came from Aerith.
Marlene - Barrett's daughter and can hear Aerith from time-to-time.

TBH, I always thought Genesis was useless to the story and screwed everything up.
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Prince Roxas
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Well since Yuffie and Vincent are 'optional' characters then VII wouldn't really need in order for the story to go forward.

Like Aly said Marlene doesn't really much of a role, her main purpose is Barret's goal for fighting but they could of easily changed that if she wasn't in it. And out of the Turks, Rude and Elena had pretty minimal roles it was really Reno and Tseng that could represent their story just fine if it was the two of them.
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aerithbunny
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Alright Crisis Core IS NOT included in this list, it's FF7 the game ONLY! Genesis, Angeal, Zack, etc. not on the list for a reason.

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Angelalex242
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Well...if Tifa weren't there, and Aerith's death were postponed till AFTER Cloud goes for a swim in the lifestream, could Aerith have pulled him out of his catatonic state?

My theory is:yes, but it's more difficult. Instead of knowing what his memories should be, the way Tifa did, she'd have to use Cetra power to draw those memories out of him, learning about the truth of events through his own memories. It'd almost be like playing a supernatural shrink.
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Jon Snow
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Angelalex242
May 12 2011, 06:00 PM
Well...if Tifa weren't there, and Aerith's death were postponed till AFTER Cloud goes for a swim in the lifestream, could Aerith have pulled him out of his catatonic state?

My theory is:yes, but it's more difficult. Instead of knowing what his memories should be, the way Tifa did, she'd have to use Cetra power to draw those memories out of him, learning about the truth of events through his own memories. It'd almost be like playing a supernatural shrink.

Wow, Alex. I never thought of that possibility but that makes a lot of sense. Now i'm wondering what VII could have been like if it was that way. You should write a fanfic novel for VII of this storyline, Alex. I'd love to read it. :sad:
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