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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 30 2011, 02:58 AM (741 Views) | |
| Tenshi Kasumi | Mar 30 2011, 02:58 AM Post #1 |
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SHE S A V E D ME
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Should Kingdom Hearts be used in the LTD to you~? I actually wasn't sure if this was in the right place because it has to do with the LTD, but since I'm mostly asking about KH I'm hoping this is allowed. My view point though after a talk I had with my father about the LTD is that Kingdom Hearts, and any other game not directly linked to Final Fantasy VII holds no real ground in the LTD. The reason for this is because they can be looked at as AU. They have nothing to do with the original storyline [they usually do hold some references though], and a lot of things have been changed about the characters [a good example being Aerith not being dead, and also one not relating to the LTD being that Tidus and Yuna have no connections now]. So what's your opinion? :) |
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| Anastar | Mar 30 2011, 02:40 PM Post #2 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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You have to be very careful about using KH in the LTD, since the KH series is AU. I've always felt that there are references and parallels to the original game, but it's hard to back that up in a debate. However, Nomura did make one comment which definitely shows that the ending of KH1 is relevant to the LTD: Question: What was the thought behind bringing back Aeris [in Kingdom Hearts]? Nomura: Yes, she died in Final Fantasy VII, but there's no real relation to where she was at or what role she played in FFVII. There's no relationship from FFVII to the Kingdom Hearts stories. I consider them separate stories. But if you play Kingdom Hearts, toward the end, some of the questions about the relationship between Cloud and Aeris in FFVII might be answered. It's sort of like a side story, and this was an extra bonus that I wanted to give to players. ~Official U.S. Playstation Magazine; October, 2002, page 139-140[/color] Nomura makes it clear in that quote that the ending of KH1 is supposed to answer questions about Cloud and Aerith's relationship in FFVII. Then we have a quote from Nojima that compares Tifa in KH2 to Tifa in AC/ACC: "This is Tifa's first appearance in Kingdom Hearts." Nojima: "Tifa wasn't planned to appear at first. I was talking with Tetsu about what Cloud could be doing in Hollow Bastion, and we eventually moved towards him chasing after Sephiroth, but also being chased by something himself. So Cloud's really running from something but goes around pretending, saying that he's chasing Sephiroth. Then we decided to make it him running from the 'something warm' like what Tifa was after in FFVIIAC." ~Nojima interview I think it's interesting that Cloud is *running from* Tifa. Then it says that Tifa represents the "something warm" that Tifa was after in FFVIIAC. If you ask me, that "something warm" was most likely Cloud's love. So she's chasing after it again, but he runs away. That's the way I see it, anyway. |
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| Tenshi Kasumi | Apr 1 2011, 07:10 PM Post #3 |
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SHE S A V E D ME
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[/QUOTE] That's what I figured, and why I don't feel it's adiquit to use. I just find it so weird how often you hear both sides referencing the KH series, or Dissida anymore. Since they're AU the characters themselves could be completely different from their originals.
My opinion on that then is that would be a legitamite case where you could actually use the KH series in a debate since it references the original game.
That makes sense and definitely would have to go with your view. It just seems odd that they would have Cloud running away from someone if he was suppose to be with her, and yet with Aerith he actually carries on full conversations and makes promises to come back to her. |
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| Shiva | Apr 1 2011, 07:28 PM Post #4 |
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The "something warm" could also be referring to family, as well. Tifa wanted to be a "real family" with Cloud and he stayed gone all the time. There is another alternative as well: Cloud has been so long in darkness that he may be afraid of the "light of the present" that Tifa represents. This may well be why he is running from her. He's afraid to let go of the power of darkness, fearing he cannot overcome Sephiroth without it. |
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| Angelalex242 | Apr 10 2011, 11:39 PM Post #5 |
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Keeper of the Intimacy of Aerith's soul living in Cloud
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Needing darkness makes him sound like Riku. |
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| Tenshi Kasumi | Apr 14 2011, 08:22 PM Post #6 |
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SHE S A V E D ME
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Very valid point.
haha xD But like I was saying unless it is directly stating something about the original it shouldn't be used. Regardless of how much "proof" it may have. |
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| Anastar | Apr 15 2011, 04:51 PM Post #7 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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I agree with Tenshi that you've made a very interesting point. I agree how the "something warm" could also mean "family", but I honestly don't see how the "light of the present" could be referred to as "something warm". After all, it says that Cloud's running from the something warm that Tifa was after in AC/ACC. Was Tifa after light in AC/ACC, or was she after a family and relationship with Cloud? Of course, they fight Sephiroth, Kadaj, and the others in AC/ACC, so they wanted to get rid of the darkness represented by them. However, the only reason Cloud hesitated was because he didn't think he was good enough to defeat them. The main thing I see Tifa after from Cloud in AC/ACC was his love and caring - as she said in the line about, "Is it a memory or us?"
It's not that they *can't* be used. I see people use points from the KH series all the time in debates, and I think there's some very good parallels to the original game. The only thing to be aware of is that you can't always back up what you're saying with proof from SE, because SE's only commented on a few things as being related to FFVII or AC/ACC. Unless a comment from SE validates the connection, then you can use it, but you can't prove it.
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| Jon Snow | May 5 2011, 10:01 PM Post #8 |
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khaleesi ♥
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To answer the OP question. Yes, I think it should be used. Nothing in KH has ever made me see a Cloti conclusion, only Clourith. So sure, what the heck. |
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| Alan Bates | May 11 2011, 03:14 PM Post #9 |
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That one guy
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Cloud is still Cloud. Aerith is still Aerith. The events of their lives may have changed, but the characters remain essentially the same, acting the same way and reacting to things in the same manner as they would have in other compilation games. |
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