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Is Cloti Official?; Answer: No, it's not
Topic Started: Feb 25 2011, 04:59 PM (4,638 Views)
AerisStrife
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So I came across a thread on one of my viddng sites and they said Cloti has been made official by SE stating that SE called cloudxtifa the official couple of final fantasy 7.

Here is what the person said.

"Yes it was made official through a "special edition book/magazine" celebrating 10 (20?) years of Final Fantasy that SE released in Japan and in it contained all the official canon pairings of Final Fantasy."

And.

"Yes, i just said above that SE (Square Enix) officially made it a real canon pairing and announced through this book that it was."

First of all. Has anyone ever heard of this magazine?
I'm still waiting to see if they have the link to the magazine but I really wanted to confirm this with You guys. Especially you Quex, since you translate alot of things.
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Anastar
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It sounds to me like they're talking about this article at lifestream.net:

http://thelifestream.net/ffvii-advent-chil...over/#more-6139

Let me explain fully:

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What is true
SE did publish an article in the 20th Anniversary Ultimania about romantic couples in the different Final Fantasy games. That much is correct. It is also correct that there is a picture of the Highwind scene on that page. It is also correct that there is a picture of the CloudxAerith date scene on that page. Here is a scan of that page:

http://thelifestream.net/wp-content/upload...01/ltdover1.jpg

That page was published by SE in the 20th Anniversary Ultimania. That is true.

The caption under the HW scene picture says that Cloud and Tifa confirm that their feelings match without using words. That is true.

The caption under the Clerith date picture says that who comes for the date is under player control. That is true.

What is False
The article at TLS states that the High Affection Highwind scene is canon. That is false. That has not been stated by SE, and that was not stated on the page of the 20th Anniversary Ultimania. That is false.

The article at TLS states that SE has declared Cloti canon. That is false. SE never says that on this page of the 20th Anniversary Ultimania. SE has never stated that Cloti is canon anyplace else, either.

Omitted Information
If you look at the picture of the Highwind Scene, there is a page number at the top of the picture to be used as a reference. You can see that page number here:

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See the page number 232 there? If you turn to page 232, it says this:

Deviation
Two versions of the conversation before the final battle
Prior to the final battle, the contents of the conversation between Cloud and Tifa can change depending on the degree of Tifa's affection. If the degree of affection is high, the contents of the two's conversation will involve deep subject matter and strong feelings for each other. As well, the sight of the two seen by their companions the next morning will lead to an embarrassing scene for Tifa, and she blushes greatly."


TLS omitted that information from their article.

The article does not quote what it says on page 232. The paragraph clearly says that there are TWO VERSIONS of the Highwind scene. TLS omtted that from their article.

The paragraph clearly says that he contents of the conversation changes between Cloud and Tifa depending on the degree of Tifa's affection for Cloud. The article at TLS omitted that information.

The paragraph also states that Cloud and Tifa share strong feelings for each other IF the degree of affection is high. The article at TLS omitted that information.

That means that the High Affectiion version of the Highwind scene is optional, and that there are two versions. Cloud and Tifa do NOT have to share strong feelings.

None of that was stated in the TLS article.

Furthermore, the FFVII Ultimania Omega states that there is a Low Affection and a High Affection version to the Highwind scene. These are obviously the two versions that SE talked about in the paragraph above. The FFVII Ultimania Omega also states that when Tifa's affection with Cloud is low, the Highwind scene is "apathetic and ends short". Apathetic means that little or no emotion is displayed. Therefore, there is little or no affection shown in the Low Affection version.

None of that was stated in the TLS article.

Major Contradiction
Now, here is what the TLS article says about the Clerith date picture:

Nothing so amazing, no, all it tells us is that the date itself is up to player control, so no one version is ‘official,’

Well, if you turn to page 232, it says that the Highwind scene has two optional versions, which also means that the Highwind scene is under player control.

If TLS says that no one version is official if it's under player control, then why are they saying the Highwind scene is canon when it's also under player control?

What the page from the 20th Anniversary Ultimania really says
There are two FFVII pictures on the page about romantic couples in the 20th Anniversary Ultimania - a picture of the CloudxAerith date scene and a picture of the Highwind scene. Both are said to be optional and under player control. Therefore, neither couple is being declared canon. Instead, the page of the 20th Anniversary Ultimania is saying that who Cloud loves is up to player control.

So what the TLS article said about the LTD being over is completely false. It's only their opinion that the LTD is over. That was never stated by SE.

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So the article is totally false, but a whole lot of Cloti's believe it. Shiva wrote about it on her website, I wrote about it on my website, and we've posted about it here. Yet, many Cloti's still believe it.

The article says that Cloti has been made official by SE because a picture of the Highwind scene is on the page with a bunch of other couples from other Final Fantasies. What the lifestream article never says is that the book clearly states that the outcome of the HW scene is optional. The same page also has a picture of the Cloud/Aerith date scene on it, and the same book also says that the date scene is optional.

So what the page in that book is *really* saying is that CloudxAerith and CloudxTifa are both optional couples to the player for FFVII. It does NOT call Cloti canon. We have a whole thread on the issue here:

http://z8.invisionfree.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/...opic=10091&st=0

Many Cloti's listened to that article and believed that it proved Cloti canon. In truth, the page does NOT prove Cloti canon. It really says that *both* Clerith and Cloti are possible and official pairings in FFVII.
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AerisStrife
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Yup that's the article.
Thanks Anastar. Now I know the truth. Though I can't really debate with that person cause the forum isn't for debating =___=
it' just kinda irritates me cause some cloti's on that forum are really happy about this. The person who posted it up never mentioned cloud and aerith were on there too. And only said that tifa and cloud were shown with the other ff couples.

But yes! thanks for clearing everything up :huggle:
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Quexinos
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WOO HOO!
That one little article is pretty much all TLS is known for.
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Anastar
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AerisStrife
Feb 25 2011, 11:53 PM
Yup that's the article.
Thanks Anastar. Now I know the truth. Though I can't really debate with that person cause the forum isn't for debating =___=
it' just kinda irritates me cause some cloti's on that forum are really happy about this. The person who posted it up never mentioned cloud and aerith were on there too. And only said that tifa and cloud were shown with the other ff couples.

But yes! thanks for clearing everything up :huggle:

You're welcome, AerisStrife. ^_^

Yeah, the Clerith date is shown on the page, too. Here's a scan of the page from the Ultimania:

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff97/Al...tweenHeroes.jpg

The title of the page says, "For the One I Love", and then talks about love between protagonists of the different games. As you can see, there's the Clerith date scene along with a picture of the Highwind scene with Cloud and Tifa.

The Lifestream.net article said that the Clerith date scene doesn't count because it says that the date scene is under player control. BUT there's a page reference at the top of the Highwind scene picture where it says that the scene has two possible outcomes, so the HW scene is also under player control. The Lifestream.net article didn't even mention that. <_<

It makes absolutely no sense that all scenes on the page are supposed to show love between protagonists except for the Clerith picture - but that's basically what the Lifestream.net article says. <_<
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WOO HOO!
D:

I always liked Denzel... he wasn't fleshed out much at first but IMO that was fixed with ACC. Although in the next installment, I really hope they do something with him instead of just making us wonder what happened to him. I like what he has going with Marlene, it's sweet ^_^
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Mar 18 2011, 04:04 AM
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If you stop to think about it, Marlene is Barret's child, and Denzel is Cloud and Aerith's child. So in reality, the "family" has little to do with Cloud and Tifa.


I kinda disagree with Denzel is Aerith's kid. IIRC AC had Barret telling the kid to protect his mom, who was Tifa (who IMHO, is a terrible mother, considering she left Marlene to run her bar on her own so she can be a terrorist in the original game and then left a sick and supposedly dying kid unsupervised and alone in the movie that he'd get himself kidnapped).

Denzel didn't contradict him on that sentence.

Anyways, Denzel = useless OC for me.

I dont like denzel either. Hes just another "genesis" to me. But i agree with yin's view point that in Cloud's POV, it was aerith who led Denzel to him, so IMO the bond cloud feels to Denzel is just another way for him to feel connected to Aerith.

Denzel doesnt know Aerith and is raised by tifa, so hes allowed to like/know/love/whataver more to Tifa than Aerith. But its Cloud's POV that i am more concerned about.
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