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Clouds Light...; Again...
Topic Started: Feb 5 2011, 07:45 PM (1,733 Views)
Xinean
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Kaleta
Jun 7 2011, 07:20 PM
Xinean
Jun 7 2011, 07:43 PM
Keep in mind it was translated from Japanese.  I have no idea what the original Japanese even was so I can't translate it to see if there was any sort of transitive property not translated but implied in English, or if it was just 'Tifa is anyone's light, maybe even bob's, who cares lol'.

Err which quote are you talking about? o.o

The Nomura and Nojima quote that Ana posted.
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Kaleta
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Xinean
Jun 7 2011, 09:22 PM
Kaleta
Jun 7 2011, 07:20 PM
Xinean
Jun 7 2011, 07:43 PM
Keep in mind it was translated from Japanese.  I have no idea what the original Japanese even was so I can't translate it to see if there was any sort of transitive property not translated but implied in English, or if it was just 'Tifa is anyone's light, maybe even bob's, who cares lol'.

Err which quote are you talking about? o.o

The Nomura and Nojima quote that Ana posted.

Now im definitely confused xD What do you mean by "Keep in mind it was translated from Japanese. I have no idea what the original Japanese even was "

Because that quote Aly mentioned was from the KH Ultimania. So it was already translated for us ;o
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I believe Tifa being light but!!! not cloud's light...If you notice between the Hollow Bastion invasion when cloud and sephiroth first battled clouds expression towards tifa when she came was a expression of "Irritation" lol he was pretty mad she interrupted their fight and ran off leaving Tifa to fight the heartless by herself. thats one of the prime examples that shes definitely not his light.

another point I can make is if you challenge sephiroth and beat him thers the cutscene when they fight and when cloud tells tifa to stay back she tries to give him her "light". Cloud had to hid his eyes because it was to much for her....huh..for whoever says tifa is clouds light he sure was blinded by it. and tifas light was white while clouds light was yellow. >.< just wanted to put my little thoughts on it lol

when it came to aeris and cloud though. he always spoke softly to her lol I wish they had more scenes with cloud and aeris but oh well I guess I can handle the little chit chat cleris had lol and in the end shes at the fight scene where cloud and sephiroth was waiting for cloud I thought that was cute x3 :cleris:
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Kaleta
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syynn
Jun 7 2011, 11:07 PM
I believe Tifa being light but!!! not cloud's light...If you notice between the Hollow Bastion invasion when cloud and sephiroth first battled clouds expression towards tifa when she came was a expression of "Irritation" lol he was pretty mad she interrupted their fight and ran off leaving Tifa to fight the heartless by herself. thats one of the prime examples that shes definitely not his light.

another point I can make is if you challenge sephiroth and beat him thers the cutscene when they fight and when cloud tells tifa to stay back she tries to give him her "light". Cloud had to hid his eyes because it was to much for her....huh..for whoever says tifa is clouds light he sure was blinded by it. and tifas light was white while clouds light was yellow. >.< just wanted to put my little thoughts on it lol

when it came to aeris and cloud though. he always spoke softly to her lol I wish they had more scenes with cloud and aeris but oh well I guess I can handle the little chit chat cleris had lol and in the end shes at the fight scene where cloud and sephiroth was waiting for cloud I thought that was cute x3  :cleris:

Agrred. Though i have heard people saying its because Cloud is from darkness that he cant take the light, well actually when Hollow Bastion was being "transformed" into the Radiant Garden, there was light involved, Cloud looked fine looking at that immense amount of light P:

If Tifa was added in KH: FM like they INTENDED, im pretty sure her story would have ended there, since she was only meant to be added as a fighter in the coliseum. Clouds quest in KHII was to fight/find his darkness, his quest in KHI was to find his light. Tifa wasnt even in KHI nor were ideas of adding her there were present. They only spoke about adding her in for KH: FM.

"In fact, back when we were working on KH:FM, some of the staff members wanted to have Tifa show up. They said 'Battling with Tifa would be fun, in a melee sense' and originally wanted to add both Sephiroth and Tifa (into KH:FM) but due to tight schedules we could only go with one character so we inserted Sephiroth into KH:FM. Because of that, we decided to let Tifa show up in this game [Kingdom Hearts 2] (Tetsuya Nomura)

So because she didnt get a spot in KH: FM as a fighter in the arena, they decided to put her in KHII. How can that possibly be connected to the plot in KHI where cloud was all about his light? She was added cause the staff wanted to see her fighting, not cause shes going to massively affect Cloud's storyline. Which can be said otherwise for Aerith.

Dont get me wrong, i agree that there is a romantic light and an inner light, i just dont see it as Tifa being Cloud's inner light. IMO shes just a being of Light, thats why she says "have MY light" instead of saying "have YOUR light" or something along those lines.

"Speaking of Tifa there's a scene with her and Cloud after you defeat Sephiroth, isn't there?"

NOMURA: "In Nojima-san's scenario for that, it gave a more definite to Cloud and Tifa's relationship, but I had him take it out. I think it's more interesting to get the people who play the game to think about it. For example, in the sense of 'if Sephiroth is darkness to Cloud, then the light is Tifa', people might take it as Tifa being a kind of being, not like a regular human being.

Maybe the reason Tifa doesn't talk to anyone besides Sora, Donald, and Goofy is because she's something different, who doesn't exist as a human being. Of course, you could also look at it like she's an inhabitant of Hollow Bastion like Cid, Aerith, and the others. I hope you will think about it freely."


To me, its just saying Cloud views sephy as darkness and so in turn views tifa as light. You can interpret it as Tifa is a being of light, it does not say tifa IS his light. And if Tifa was his light that he really needed and was looking for, why was he running away from her?

"This is Tifa's first appearance in Kingdom Hearts."

Nojima: "Tifa wasn't planned to appear at first. I was talking with Tetsu about what Cloud could be doing in Hollow Bastion, and we eventually moved towards him chasing after Sephiroth, but also being chased by something himself. So Cloud's really running from something but goes around pretending, saying that he's chasing Sephiroth. Then we decided to make it him running from the 'something warm' like what Tifa was after in FFVIIAC."


So hes only using chasing sephy as an excuse, but is actually running away from Tifa.
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Xinean
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Kaleta
Jun 7 2011, 08:36 PM
Now im definitely confused xD What do you mean by "Keep in mind it was translated from Japanese. I have no idea what the original Japanese even was "

Because that quote Aly mentioned was from the KH Ultimania. So it was already translated for us ;o

But even if someone has translated it, all the Ultimanias are originally in Japanese and not published in English cause Square Enix doesn't care about non-Japanese people.

...I am so not used to not having a cookie monster smiley.
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Xinean
 
But even if someone has translated it, all the Ultimanias are originally in Japanese and not published in English cause Square Enix doesn't care about non-Japanese people.

So if its not translated by SE then it shouldn't be used by people who can't understand Japanese?

Xinean
 
...I am so not used to not having a cookie monster smiley.

I don't really want a cookie monster smiley here, its spammed like hell on every other forum I get fed up of seeing it. Same with the orly owl, its genius but if it appeared here it would eventually get on my nerves. But that's just me. :fish:
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Dont get me wrong, i agree that there is a romantic light and an inner light, i just dont see it as Tifa being Cloud's inner light. IMO shes just a being of Light, thats why she says "have MY light" instead of saying "have YOUR light" or something along those lines.
I agree big time lol makes me rather mad that CloTi thinks tifa is HIS LIGHT but really she is like you said just a light. there was no hint or anything about tifa being his light at all. xD

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NOMURA: "In Nojima-san's scenario for that, it gave a more definite to Cloud and Tifa's relationship, but I had him take it out. I think it's more interesting to get the people who play the game to think about it. For example, in the sense of 'if Sephiroth is darkness to Cloud, then the light is Tifa', people might take it as Tifa being a kind of being, not like a regular human being.
from Nomura himself he said sephiroth is clouds darkness but didnt say anything about tifa being his light he specifically said tifa IS LIGHT major difference lol im glad you showed that xD always brings a smile on my face when Nomura talks about stuffs like this lol

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Nojima: "Tifa wasn't planned to appear at first. I was talking with Tetsu about what Cloud could be doing in Hollow Bastion, and we eventually moved towards him chasing after Sephiroth, but also being chased by something himself. So Cloud's really running from something but goes around pretending, saying that he's chasing Sephiroth. Then we decided to make it him running from the 'something warm' like what Tifa was after in FFVIIAC."
LOL poor cloud lol I feel somewhat sorry for him now lol talk about a good excuse to run away from tifa imo xP lol
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Xinean
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Kuki Prower
Jun 7 2011, 11:05 PM
So if its not translated by SE then it shouldn't be used by people who can't understand Japanese?

I never said that, I'd just like to be able to read it myself to see what they said in the original statement.

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I don't really want a cookie monster smiley here, its spammed like hell on every other forum I get fed up of seeing it. Same with the orly owl, its genius but if it appeared here it would eventually get on my nerves. But that's just me. :fish:

Well, it'd at least be nice if there was a derp smiley to indicate sarcasm. or maybe i just miss the millions of smileys i see on flol
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Xinean
Jun 8 2011, 12:31 AM
I never said that, I'd just like to be able to read it myself to see what they said in the original statement.

But isn't the Ultimania the original statement? Sure it would be great if they were translated by SE but hey if someone can provide a correct translation then I would take it as being original.

Xinean
 
Well, it'd at least be nice if there was a derp smiley to indicate sarcasm. or maybe i just miss the millions of smileys i see on flol

Well I and some other members use the fish smiley for sarcasm. :fish: I don't know really why but it just conveys my silly thoughts. Or maybe the tard smiley :tard: because that face is just full of awesomeness. But yeah if we could get more I wouldn't mind, cookie monster just annoys me generally cause he doesn't eat cookies he just shoves them in his mouth and pretends to eat them. :fish:
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Xinean
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Kuki Prower
Jun 8 2011, 01:21 AM
But isn't the Ultimania the original statement? Sure it would be great if they were translated by SE but hey if someone can provide a correct translation then I would take it as being original.

I don't think I ever said "EVERYONE STOP USING ULTIMANIA TRANSLATIONS THAT PEOPLE PROVIDE THEY'RE NEVER RIGHT EVER". I just wish I knew the original Japanese personally.

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Well I and some other members use the fish smiley for sarcasm. :fish: I don't know really why but it just conveys my silly thoughts. Or maybe the tard smiley :tard: because that face is just full of awesomeness. But yeah if we could get more I wouldn't mind, cookie monster just annoys me generally cause he doesn't eat cookies he just shoves them in his mouth and pretends to eat them. :fish:

Posted Image wish this was smaller cause this pokeman would make a great derpy smiley. Even though it has pretty much nothing to do with Clerith. :B
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Jun 8 2011, 01:48 AM
I don't think I ever said "EVERYONE STOP USING ULTIMANIA TRANSLATIONS THAT PEOPLE PROVIDE THEY'RE NEVER RIGHT EVER". I just wish I knew the original Japanese personally.

Nor did I say that I was wondering what you original comment meant.

I would prefer a Mudkip myself cause Mudkips are awesome. :fish:

Back on topic it has always occured to me that Tifa was not Cloud's light because of Tifa saying to Cloud to take her light. If the light was indeed Cloud's wouldn't he be able to tap into the power like Sora does with Kairi? Tifa's apperance in general irked me a bit because I'm a big Tifa fan and she kinda went wacko looking for Cloud underneath a portrait and possibility of her not actually being human. She deserved better than that though I was amused when Sora's spikey hair didn't meet her standards. :lol:
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Hehe <3 nah its k, cause aly's quote says Cloud on it ^^

Yes^^"
I didnīt found the quote I remembered, but I was so sure that there was a quote where just stood "if Sephiroth is darkness, then light is Tifa"... but I think I am just confused^^"

Still, Sephiroth saying "I know because... I am you" bothers me a little, because one knows that the Sephiroth in FFVII isnīt Cloud!
And when Nomura said that KH is a parallel story to FF with no relation, I thought it mostly meant that Aerith was not burdened with her Cetra heritage in this game, ergo a relationship with Cloud would be okay, other than this quote from the Reunion Files said (it said that a relationship between A/C might have been better than a relationship between T/C). And Cloud was no SOLDIER, and so on...
But then I saw Yuna, Rikku and Paine, and they all were other beings than before, and so I thought about Sephiroth, and then... this might be the same, too.
Sephiroth might just be a part of Cloud - he says that he is Cloud; and since we know that Cloud and he exist parallel, he must be a part of Cloud - his darkness.
So if Sephiroth is his inner darkness, and the quote says that Tifa is light, indicating that she is Clouds light, then she would be his inner light (if this was true).
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Doesn't Goofy or Sora mention how much Sephiroth looks like Cloud?

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Alan Bates
Jun 8 2011, 10:53 AM
Doesn't Goofy or Sora mention how much Sephiroth looks like Cloud?

Hmm, I can't remember. I have a feeling though that they did. Not sure though. I'll ask my sister later(she's the KH queen)
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Xinean
Jun 8 2011, 02:48 AM
I just wish I knew the original Japanese personally.

Ohhh i see. So you just want to see it for yourself ;o Im not sure if we have the original japanese text though :(

But i have to say, im pretty sure you'll find the exact same thing that the translators have said xD Its been that translation for a while, and I'm sure if it was wrong somehow, there would be some commotion about it.

Thats not to say that you may not find something of course ;o

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Still, Sephiroth saying "I know because... I am you" bothers me a little, because one knows that the Sephiroth in FFVII isnīt Cloud!

Dont quote me on it but, i do believe he says that cause Cloud in FFVII is a failed clone of Sephy. So its kinda like that i guess?

Correct me if im wrong but i think Sephy says something similar to Cloud in either FFVII or AC.

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And when Nomura said that KH is a parallel story to FF with no relation, I thought it mostly meant that Aerith was not burdened with her Cetra heritage in this game, ergo a relationship with Cloud would be okay, other than this quote from the Reunion Files said (it said that a relationship between A/C might have been better than a relationship between T/C). And Cloud was no SOLDIER, and so on...

Indeed. I think he meant the fact that the story of FFVII doesnt apply to KH. BUT he clearly states that the RELATIONSHIP between Cloud and Aerith is the same ( or can be linked together ) as shown in the ending.
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