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Cloud's Search For The "person" - Discussion
Topic Started: Jan 29 2011, 01:07 AM (1,469 Views)
Jon Snow
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Before Kingdom Hearts: Final Mix we saw that both Cloud and Sora were looking for someone. For Sora, he was looking for Kairi, who is undoubtedly his light.

Cloud says he's also looking for someone, his light. And then at the end of the game we see Cloud and Aerith reunite. Which gives the impression the person he was searching for was in fact Aerith, otherwise, why show him and Aerith reuniting during their own special moment at the ending of KHI?

It makes absolute no sense for Cloud to have been searching for Sephiroth and then randomly reunite with Aerith at the end of the game(along with other lovers) if it was truly Sephirth he was looking for.

But, in KH:FM Sephiroth supposedly says “I was searching for you too.” after Cloud says "so we meet at last" .

Aerith even says to Sora: “…I wonder if he’s still searching for him…”

But, in the Manga for KH, which is a reliable source, it never shows Cloud searching for Sephirth, it doesn't even show a picture of him or speak of him. Ever. Now, it makes it kinda hard for Cloud to be "searching" for Sephiroth if... he's not even around. Aerith, on the other hand, does exist in this manga.

My question, is it possible Cloud's searching for both at once? :unsure:

(my sister is the KH nut, so hopefully she'll use my account to post some thoughts here)

Discuss. :cloud:
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PianoxLullaby
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I think it might be both.

Plus I don't think Cloud would sound so... hmm, what's the word I'm looking for? Not hung up... FFF, what is that word? Anyways, just Cloud's tone when he says: "I'm lookin' for someone," sounds like he thinks well of the person he's looking for:

At about 5:37
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I feel like if he was telling Sora he was looking for Sephiroth, he'd sound more stern about it:

At about 0:55
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But that's just my take on it.
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Jon Snow
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PianoxLullaby, wow! That's a great observation! You're right, too. In KHI when Cloud says "I'm looking for someone" his voice is actually kinda soft and gentle. But in KHII his voice IS stern.

If he was looking for Sephiroth in KHI, to think his voice would be the same tone as it was in KHII. :o

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PianoxLullaby
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Hahah, thanks! :)

I just don't see how Cloud would sound so gentle-hearted saying "I'm lookin' for someone," if he was looking for someone he hated. It also goes very well with everything that's happened between Cloud and Aerith and with their ending in KH1. Whenever Cloud is talking/thinking of Aerith, his voice is always soft and gentle. Whenever he's talking about Sephiroth his voice is rigid and harsh.
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I also started to play KH1 again (never managed to finish it before) and today I saw that Cloud cutscene and observed it carefully. When he said "I'm looking for someone. Hades promised to help" he sounded...torn and disappointed...now that he noticed that Hades turned out to be a villain who didn't care. The way he held his head and hands made me think he was about to cry :) So definitely not thinking about Sephiroth. He was hopeful to find someone he cares about :)
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Everytime i watch the part Cloud leaves Aerith and they say; "I'll come back." or "I'll stay here." I ALWAYS, ALWAYS think about the story about the women and her lover thats going faraway. Kunsel's text message to Zack about the loveless play. And of cousre Aerith's last words to Cloud is of that of the Loveless play.
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Miss Ari
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PianoxLullaby
Jan 29 2011, 10:28 PM
Hahah, thanks! :)

I just don't see how Cloud would sound so gentle-hearted saying "I'm lookin' for someone," if he was looking for someone he hated. It also goes very well with everything that's happened between Cloud and Aerith and with their ending in KH1. Whenever Cloud is talking/thinking of Aerith, his voice is always soft and gentle. Whenever he's talking about Sephiroth his voice is rigid and harsh.

So I'm finally playing KH (and I'm wondering what I've gotten myself into. Holy muffins, there's a lot of games) and I got to see this all firsthand. (Several times. XD)

And I have to agree with you. The way he says it the first time is very gentle, almost tender- he's looking for someone very precious to him. And it's more than just his tone- his expression, his body language; it seems very clear that he's searching for someone he cares a lot about.

Then in the second one (lol at Sora's voice changing XD) he sounds quite bitter.

And- this may be a bit off topic but... Cloud's expression when Aerith asks him if he means what he said about coming back. It almost seems like... he's remembering when Aerith said "I'll come back when it's all over." I don't know, it might just be me and my silliness. And when he says he doesn't want her involved- well goodness, no wonder he doesn't! Considering what happened the last time she got involved with Sephiroth.

Also, I miss Mandy Moore. ;_; (And everyone's original design- except Sora's.)
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PianoxLullaby
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Mar 6 2011, 08:01 PM
PianoxLullaby
Jan 29 2011, 10:28 PM
Hahah, thanks! :)

I just don't see how Cloud would sound so gentle-hearted saying "I'm lookin' for someone," if he was looking for someone he hated. It also goes very well with everything that's happened between Cloud and Aerith and with their ending in KH1. Whenever Cloud is talking/thinking of Aerith, his voice is always soft and gentle. Whenever he's talking about Sephiroth his voice is rigid and harsh.

So I'm finally playing KH (and I'm wondering what I've gotten myself into. Holy muffins, there's a lot of games) and I got to see this all firsthand. (Several times. XD)

And I have to agree with you. The way he says it the first time is very gentle, almost tender- he's looking for someone very precious to him. And it's more than just his tone- his expression, his body language; it seems very clear that he's searching for someone he cares a lot about.

Then in the second one (lol at Sora's voice changing XD) he sounds quite bitter.

And- this may be a bit off topic but... Cloud's expression when Aerith asks him if he means what he said about coming back. It almost seems like... he's remembering when Aerith said "I'll come back when it's all over." I don't know, it might just be me and my silliness. And when he says he doesn't want her involved- well goodness, no wonder he doesn't! Considering what happened the last time she got involved with Sephiroth.

Also, I miss Mandy Moore. ;_; (And everyone's original design- except Sora's.)

Hmm, that is interesting. When it comes to Cloud, Aerith, and Sephiroth in KHII, SE seems to really like to make lots of references to their original storyline (well, it makes sense, but when we look at other FF characters, they don't always stay as true to their original story as these three seem to). ESPECIALLY in Re:Coded, there are so many hints at everything Cloud went through in FFVII that it was just pure bliss for me as a Cloud and FFVII fan. Though most of the hints were kinda sad. :C
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Pfff! Of course he was searching for Aerith, who else! lol


Their cuteness is too much >.<

Hahaha, Ok, no, talking serious, I always thought that Cloud was searching for Aerith in the first KH, however, after KHII, I don't see it clear... I mean, Tifa appears from nowhere and give to the understanding that Tifa apparantly is Cloud's light. But in the credits, Aerith appears in the SAME place where Cloud dissappeared with Sephiroth which I think she is waiting for him.
Although I don't really think that Tifa is really Cloud's light... most of all because Cloud rejected her (again lol) and went after Sephiroth's butt... (And then there's people who wonder where so many doujinshis/fanarts/fanfiction of CloudxSephiroth cames from... lol)
Also, the fact that Cloud was searching for Sephiroth in KH Final Mix, so...
so.........
so...............
God, in moments like this when I think too much about the whole stuff makes me hate Square Enix! lol
Edited by ForbesMoon, Jun 12 2012, 12:00 AM.
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Jon Snow
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Feb 19 2011, 03:19 PM
I also started to play KH1 again (never managed to finish it before) and today I saw that Cloud cutscene and observed it carefully. When he said "I'm looking for someone. Hades promised to help" he sounded...torn and disappointed...now that he noticed that Hades turned out to be a villain who didn't care. The way he held his head and hands made me think he was about to cry :) So definitely not thinking about Sephiroth. He was hopeful to find someone he cares about :)
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I completely agree! Even at 11 years old I could sense that Cloud was saddened that he wouldn't be able to find the person he was searching for. If he was searching for Sephiroth, I don't think he would be sad--I think he'd be angry that he wouldn't be able to find Sephiroth IF that was who he was looking for. Cloud's sadness from thinking he won't find the "person" makes it clear that it wasn't Sephiroth.

Fight the Blues
 
Everytime i watch the part Cloud leaves Aerith and they say; "I'll come back." or "I'll stay here." I ALWAYS, ALWAYS think about the story about the women and her lover thats going faraway. Kunsel's text message to Zack about the loveless play. And of cousre Aerith's last words to Cloud is of that of the Loveless play.

Hmm, wow! I never thought to associate the KHII cutscenes to the loveless play before. D= Wonderful observation.

PianoxLullaby
 
ESPECIALLY in Re:Coded, there are so many hints at everything Cloud went through in FFVII that it was just pure bliss for me as a Cloud and FFVII fan. Though most of the hints were kinda sad. :C

I haven't played Coded yet. What happens in it? :C

Greatzidane
 
however, after KHII, I don't see it clear... I mean, Tifa appears from nowhere and give to the understanding that Tifa apparantly is Cloud's light.

Nah. That cut scene doesn't make Tifa Cloud's light. That's just a big misconception. Tifa attempts to give Cloud her light(the bright white) but it hurts him, to which Cloud uses his own self light(the yellow).

Keep in mind that scene is completely optional, as well. AND that Tifa isn't even real in that world, I believe Nomura said something along the lines of she's like a monster there. :huh: can't remember though.

Greatzidane
 
Although I don't really think that Tifa is really Cloud's light... most of all because Cloud rejected her

Exactly.

Just to add to the discussion.
Nomura has said that Cloud was "lost" from Aerith(Cid, Yuffie, and Squall)... now, if he was lost from Aerith this only adds more solidity to the idea that it WAS Aerith who he was looking to be reunited with.

---In which case, when Cid took the others and escaped from Hollow Bastion, was Cloud left behind?
Nomura: He was just lost in the confusion, he wasn't really left behind (laughs). Because presumably Cid and co were escaping in the midst of the disarray.

That clearly says since the hallow bastion escape Cloud was lost. To put it very simply, if Cloud was lost from Aerith, and we see Cloud in cahoots with the devil himself just to find a certain "someone", and then we see Cloud finally reunited with Aerith in the end, the logical conclusion is that he was looking for Aerith and he found her.

People need to deal with it. He wasn't working with Hades to find Sephiroth, he was working with Hades to find Aerith--this doesn't mean he wasn't also always looking for Sephiroth it just means Aerith was who he was speaking of in that specific cut scene with Sora.
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The fact that Sora so easily guessed what Clookings looking says a lot, too. He recognized the same emotions on Cloud that he was feeling himself. And since we know Sora was looking for the girl he cared about, it's pretty clear that Cloud was doing the same thing.

Also, since when has Sephiroth ever represented light I
e. happiness, peace, etc.) for Cloud? He has been the source of Cloud's unhappiness since 1997! I mean, he even outright says he wants to give Cloud despair and take away what he loves. That doesn't sound like a person's light to me!
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I don't see how it can reasonably be said that Cloud is looking exclusively for Sephiroth, seeing as how Sephiroth doesn't make an appearance in the original Japanese version and Cloud still says his line. It's the same reason the KH manga doesn't show Sephiroth.
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Jun 5 2012, 08:37 PM
I don't see how it can reasonably be said that Cloud is looking exclusively for Sephiroth, seeing as how Sephiroth doesn't make an appearance in the original Japanese version and Cloud still says his line. It's the same reason the KH manga doesn't show Sephiroth.
Really? Sephiroth isn't in the Japanese version? D: I knew Sephiroth wasn't in the manga(I love the manga) but I didn't know Sephiroth wasn't in the original KHI game.

This proves it was Aerith Cloud was looking for even more! :woot: Thanks for saying this, I would have never known :lol:

*hammertime dance*
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Jun 6 2012, 12:20 AM
but I didn't know Sephiroth wasn't in the original KHI game.
Didn't Sephiroth appears in the original game but only as an optional boss?
Edited by ForbesMoon, Jun 6 2012, 01:46 AM.
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He's an optional boss in all of the versions, but does not appear at all in the original Japanese version.

So, if we're going by versions:
Original Japanese Release - Cloud is present in Olympic Coliseum, all lines are kept, but no other references to Sephiroth. Sephiroth is not an optional boss.
Original US Release - Sephiroth is an optional boss. No extra scene between Cloud and Sephiroth.
Final Mix Release - Sephiroth is an optional boss. Extra scene present between Cloud and Sephiroth where they confront each other/fight.

Or as KH Wiki puts it:
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During the Platinum Match at Olympus Coliseum, Sephiroth appears and fights Sora. He is a secret boss available in all but the regular Japanese version. After having been defeated by Sora, Cloud finally meets Sephiroth. In silence, Sephiroth implores Cloud to turn to the darkness, which Cloud refuses. The two engage in a high-speed battle in the air, the outcome of which is unknown; however, this is only in the Kingdom Hearts Final Mix.

In the original Kingdom Hearts, it is never shown that Sephiroth and Cloud ever meet, or that Cloud is even aware Sephiroth is a challenger in the Olympus Coliseum.


So while Sephiroth's appearance is canon, there's zero reason for that line to be referring to him in any way, unless S-E just wants us to assume that Cloud is looking for a character that never makes an appearance, optional or otherwise.
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