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| Ultimavara | Jan 26 2011, 11:09 PM Post #16 |
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Come away, oh human child, to the waters and the wild.
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I've broken up my response into two sections. Does Cloud's accept a date as payment? Cloud has no problem telling someone when he's not interested in something. The fact that "not interested" is one of his catch phrases should give us some hint of this. For example, he didn't hesitate to tell Tifa he wasn't interested in helping her at the beginning of the game. Let's look at the dialogue which Darkeliel posted: Tifa: "Listen, Cloud. I'm asking you. Please join us." Cloud: "Sorry Tifa..." Tifa: "The Planet is dying. Slowly but surely it's dying Someone has to do something." Cloud: "So let Barret and his buddies do something about it. It's got nothin' to do with me." Here, Cloud shows himself to be a person who is very vocal when he doesn't want to do something. He also shows himself to be very vocal when a payment is not to his liking, as seen in this line: Cloud: "This is my pay? Don't make me laugh...I'll do it for 3000." So having established his personality as such, the fact that he does not openly refuse Aerith's offer of a date tells us that probably does not have a problem with it as a form of payment. Here, we apply the knowledge we have, (i.e. Cloud's tendency to openly refuse things), and apply it to new situations in order to figure out what is going on in that new situation (i.e. if he doesn't openly refuse - that means he probably isn't going to refuse at all). This conclusion is supported by the fact that Cloud never again brings up the issue of payment with her, as Hikari Seishin pointed out. Because he continues to protect her, does it mean he accepted her date? Let's assume for the moment that it doesn't. If this is true, the next question would be "Then why does he do it?" The fact that he doesn't ever ask her for gil shows us that he's not doing it for money. The only other answer is that he must do it for the simple enjoyment of being around her and being of service to her. His expressions of regret that he won't get to talk with her and experience her laughter, tears, and anger after her death tell us that he must have enjoyed spending time with her and experiencing these different aspects of her behavior. So if he liked to spend time with and help her, this would explain why he continues to protect her. And if he liked to spend time with her, does this not seem like a pretty solid reason for acceptance of a date with her? After all, why do people go on dates? In order to spend time together and enjoy each others' company, which is what Cloud has been shown to want. To put it another way, let's use a math formula. Algebra teaches us that if x=y, and y=z, then x=z. So if Cloud's wants = spending time with Aerith, and a date = spending time with her, then Cloud's wants = a date. So the argument which states that "Just because he continues to protect her doesn't mean he accepted her date" doesn't work because it contains within its own contradiction within it. His continuing to protect her is the very evidence which proves he does want a date. To go back to the math formula, this statement is the equivalent of saying "x=y, and y=z, so x=a." It simply doesn't work. |
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| Jon Snow | Jan 26 2011, 11:40 PM Post #17 |
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Holy! You must be a fierce IchiHime debater xD I am SO in love with your post, Ultimavara. It was perfect! Question! If anymore Clotis pester me with this, can I copy&paste what you said?
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| Ultimavara | Jan 27 2011, 12:54 AM Post #18 |
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Come away, oh human child, to the waters and the wild.
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Aw, thanks. I actually haven't done any Bleach debates yet, though I'm glad to know you think I would do a good job. I very much like your Uryu/Orihime, sig, too. And in answer to your question, you certainly can use it. I'm happy to contribute to the LTD in any way I can.
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| Jon Snow | Jan 27 2011, 01:04 AM Post #19 |
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khaleesi ♥
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Kewl. I always love seeing good IchiHime supporters. Because, I'm sorry, but some Ichirukis get so rabid. <_< But, yeah, thanks! What if I post it to a future website I'm creating for Clourith? Can I do that, too. I'd credit and everything. |
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| Ultimavara | Jan 27 2011, 01:45 AM Post #20 |
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Come away, oh human child, to the waters and the wild.
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Yup, feel free to use it wherever you want. Also, I thought of something else to add to the second section. At the part where it says...
It occurred to me that some people might say he felt pressured into it. But if that were the case, why would he continue to obsess over protecting her even after she died? The pressure was off at that point. But he still voluntarily continues to think of himself as her protector for years afterward. So with money and pressure both being eliminated as answers, the only other answer is that he does it for the enjoyment of being around her and being of service to her. From there I would go on to the part where it talks about "His expressions of regret..." |
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I actually haven't done any Bleach debates yet, though I'm glad to know you think I would do a good job. I very much like your Uryu/Orihime, sig, too. And in answer to your question, you certainly can use it. I'm happy to contribute to the LTD in any way I can.
12:52 AM Jul 11