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| Cloud And Tifa Had A Good Childhood Relationship?; ._____. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 4 2011, 04:41 PM (1,120 Views) | |
| Rini Mazaki | Jan 4 2011, 04:41 PM Post #1 |
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I don't know if anyone has made a topic like this, but it has recently come to my attention that people believe Cloud and Tifa's relationship during their childhood was awesome and happy. A group of people even added that Tifa wasn't the popular girl of Nibelheim, she never ignored Cloud, and they had happy childhood memories. Ummm...I don't remember Cloud and Tifa ever having such a "beautiful" childhood together like these people are telling me because I remember Cloud told Tifa during the whole memory scene in disc two of the game that neither of them knew each other at all. Cloud even adds being ignored by the children and never being able to play with any of them, so I am pretty confuse where this idea is coming from. To make this short, I want to know if Cloud and Tifa were really friends during their childhood and were all happy together because I really believe they were never friends to begin with. If anyone can help give me quotes clearly stating that Cloud and Tifa were not as close as these people are trying to make them would be great. Also, if anyone can be sweet enought to read a history thing I wrote for an alternate universe Aeris I am roleplaying as because people are pointing out that I am bashing Tifa's character in it which I don't think I am, but if you spot something, then let me know too. Of course it's a optional, but I would appreciate the help because I never wanted to bash Tifa in my Aeris's history thing. Here is the link: http://mountainxflower.livejournal.com/562.html |
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| Shiva | Jan 4 2011, 05:31 PM Post #2 |
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Okay, that's just stupid. Have these people even played FFVII? If you actually play the game, you find out the truth. In the beginning, you are mislead to think that Cloud and Tifa are "childhood friends" and that they have this happy childhood together. However, after the Lifestream event, you find out that this isn't the case at all. Tifa and Cloud barely knew each other and Cloud was ostracized. Cloud: "......I was devastated. ......I wanted to be noticed." Cloud was devastated by the fact that he was ignored by Tifa's group. Does this sound like a happy memory? Tifa: "...that's right. We lived next to each other. But I really didn't know you that well." Even Tifa herself says it. "You were all childish, laughing at every little stupid thing." (She turns to look at her former self and friends, then back to Young Cloud.) Tifa: "But we were children, back then." (He turns away slowly.) Cloud: "...I know. I'm the one that was stupid. I really wanted to play with everyone, but I was never allowed into the group." (He turns to face Tifa dead-on.) Cloud: "Then later... I began to think I was different... That I was different from those immature kids." (He turns away.) Cloud: "That then... maybe..." (A double of the adult Cloud, motionless up to this point, materializes. It stands, flashing in and out of existence. Then it speaks. Young Cloud doesn't seem to notice.) Cloud: "Just maybe, they would invite me in." "I thought that might happen, so I hung around..." (Young Cloud speaks.) Cloud: "I was so prejudiced. And... weak." (The double speaks again.) Cloud: "That night I called Tifa out to the well... I thought to myself Tifa would never come, that she hated me." This show just how hurt Cloud was about not being invited into Tifa's group. It also showed that he thought Tifa hated him. So, obviously, she'd not had anything to do with him at this point or he would have known that she never hated him at all. Tifa: "But... It's true that we weren't THAT close, but..." Again, she admits it. |
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| Rini Mazaki | Jan 4 2011, 05:51 PM Post #3 |
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I'm not even sure if the people argueing with me have even played the original game, but I get the feeling most are cloti fans. Thank you for the info, Shiva. I knew Cloud and Tifa did not have a happy childhood memories at all. They were never friends to begins with and my mother explained to me how the meaning of "childhood friends" in japanese is different than the way we use it in the english language. I was going to answer back to this message someone gave me:
I do not know WHERE exactly I am bashing Tifa in the history I wrote because the whole history thing is based off the FFVII facts, but adding Aerith to the story. Tifa did not participate in the Cloud bullying and in my story she does stop the fighting too. I don't know where I made Tifa self-center if she does stop the fights. Idk if these people wanted Tifa to be all, "Are you okay?" and want to add Cloud to her group which would be stupid because Tifa HAS never noticed Cloud until the promise scene. Actually Tifa does notice Cloud because she knew he would get into fights easily, but it was more of an observation than noticing him. I even add in the history how the other children block Cloud's advances to get Tifa attention because they are ALL trying to get her attention. I even had a scene where Aeris tells Tifa about Cloud's good qualities, but Tifa doesn't care because....hello...I think she should be sick and tired of guys trying to get her attention so much. Plus, she's a shy girl, isn't she? I wanted to put how Tifa doesn't like all that attention very much, but it somehow turned her into self center. Also, if the other children are blocking Cloud from getting close to Tifa, do you think Tifa would notice what is going on? The whole Lifestream scene comes off as Tifa never knew the situation with Cloud and her friends, at all (Or at least, I hope I am not wrong on that assumption).[/color] |
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| Shiva | Jan 4 2011, 08:10 PM Post #4 |
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There's also this, from the FFVII Ultimania Omega: I wonder if Wel, Dan, Meiday, and the other boys who left the village are doing alright? All the boys left for the city. They all called me out to the water tower. They all said the same things. Ah, except for Cloud. He said something about joining SOLDIER? I wonder how long he's been thinking about that. He was always pretty distant from everyone else, but still worried about what everyone thought. Honestly, he was kind of a strange kid. Always getting into fights. It wasn't like he was fighting because he was angry, more like he was testing something. What was he trying to test? His own strength? (Tifa's Diary) 1. ALL of the boys called Tifa out to the tower. Cloud wasn't the only one. 2. She vaguely remembers Cloud said something about joining SOLDIER? Was she even listening to him? <_< 3. She wouldn't describe Cloud as "distant" if she knew him at all. 4. She thought he was strange... ![]() I thought about Cloud today. When did he change? I'm sure the boys started to hate Cloud when he was 8. He'd get into fights with anybody. When Cloud was 8... I was 7. The year mom died. I don't remember much about that year. It's kind of a strange feeling, like being myself but at the same time not. But even since then, it's felt like I've been obssessed with Mt. Nibel. (Tifa's Diary) The other boys were confirmed as HATING Cloud. Happy childhood? Methinks not. Also... In those days, Tifa didn't take much notice to Cloud. The reason why she said to him "To be saved by a Hero" was only to satisfy her childish princess desire. However when the promise was exchanged, at that moment, Cloud became a special existence to her, which later, he now holds a huge position (in Tifa's life). (page 24) (Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega) 1. It was confirmed that Tifa didn't take much notice of Cloud. 2. It was confirmed that the promise was selfish and childish. 3. There is an implication that Tifa was spoiled with the addition of the words "childish princess desire". Obviously, she wasn't a princess. So, does this mean that she was treated as such by others? Also, if you say ANYTHING remotely critical of the "great goddess of perfection, Tifa", expect her rabid, batshit insane fans to jump you. They can't help themselves. |
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| Zee | Jan 4 2011, 08:13 PM Post #5 |
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I'd say the main problem with your Aeris AU, right from the start, is that you have to find a way to write her history that isn't so heavily based on Cloud or Tifa. It seems more of a whole alternate story rather than an alternate character. When you write AU you should really write it like the beginning of a story, so the character has enough differences but hasn't yet tread on the toes of the canon characters. It just seems to me like bad etiquette in RPing, sort of like godmodding another characters history -- other AU players probably don't want you assuming a history for them, and canon characters would be less inclined to thread with you. Here's an example of an AU: http://bendthecage.livejournal.com/profile this is a Princess Garnet AU I wrote for a roleplay a while back (even though it never took off lololol). Note I don't make specifics of other possible playable characters -- Steiner, Zidane, Beatrix, etc -- even though they have strong influences in her life. It would be up to those players to come up with AU back stories of their own for this world. But yeah, it does read like your are using Aeris to replace Tifa as the link in Cloud's childhood. In fact that's all I'm getting from her backstory, which is a shame because she has a much, much more interesting story in canon. C'mon, she's the last of the Cetra, you can come up with something! I really recommend sitting down and drawing up another backstory for her that isn't so heavily focused on another character. Go on dear_mun and check out some AU characters there. Take note of what they did right and what they did wrong, and then go back to your page. |
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| Rini Mazaki | Jan 5 2011, 12:15 AM Post #6 |
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@ Shiva: I knew it! I knew there was quotes out there proving Cloud and Tifa were not friends at all. Thank you for the info because I will be responding to these people. Seriously. Some people need to play the OG before being all, "BUT CLOUD AND TIFA HAD A HAPPY CHILDHOOD TOGETHER" <_< I also heard somewhere that Tifa's nickname was known as the Nibelheim Princess, too. I'm not sure where I heard that from, but I think it sounds about right. @ Zee: Hmmm, I never really thought of that to be honest. I just wanted to do an Aeris that was from Nibelheim, but I guess I might have been controlling more a fan fic summary than Aerith's actual history. I really didn't know it wasn't allowed because I have seem other AUs on d_m and dressing rooms. Those AUs usually add a bunch of characters to their summary too. Then again, those AUs might have been bad examples to follow. Now I think why the anons jumped at my AU, but it's hilarious really. That AU was only for musebox purposes. I wasn't going to put her in a game or anything like that. I guess I just need to put my muse box in friend's lock or something. Anyway thanks for the input, Zee. I really didn't know I was actually doing that because I just wanted to add Aerith in that history. |
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| Zee | Jan 5 2011, 06:14 AM Post #7 |
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No problem! Other AU characters might have worked out their stories with other players, you never know. Putting her in Nibelheim is an interesting idea given there's a ShinRa lab right under the town's nose -- you could play around with that idea as well if you wanted, since she was ShinRa's labrat for a while. Just tossing out stuff here. If it's for a musebox then just specify to those anons and maybe somewhere on her profile she's in a musebox RP and you're still working on her (since I see parts of her profile like her personality still aren't up yet), it might help as well. : ) Good luck! |
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| PianoxLullaby | Jan 5 2011, 07:00 AM Post #8 |
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To go along with the "Nibelheim Princess" thing, wasn't she the daughter of the Mayor? I've had to argue the Cloud and Tifa childhood friends thing on my deviantart before and it was just ridiculous. I had clear evidence to prove I was right and she just decided that: CLEARLY YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND FRIENSHIIIIP HERPADERP and started calling me names and then made a counter stamp. I still laugh about it a bit. |
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| Beatrix | Jan 5 2011, 02:25 PM Post #9 |
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HOLY... materia ! I knew deep in my heart that Tifa was only interested in this promise thing because of a shallow princess desire... but... it is stated also in an official guide !? Awesome ! Yes, about Cloud and Tifa, they never were real childhood friends, that's for sure. So, happy childhood's memories ? LOL ! Or maybe some Cloti fans think that being/feeling hated and ignored is the definition of happiness. |
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| Shiva | Jan 5 2011, 02:26 PM Post #10 |
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I believe Brother and Yuna were also called "childhood friends" at one point, too. And they weren't anything of the sort. They barely knew each other. :lol: |
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| Anastar | Jan 5 2011, 03:31 PM Post #11 |
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First of all, *excellent* review of the info, Shiva. Tifa can also mention that Cloud was always getting in fights as a boy in Nibelheim when she's first introduced during the game:(Cloud enters the Seventh Heaven.) (Marlene jumps up.) "Papa!" (She sees Cloud and hides in the corner. Tifa goes over to her) "Marlene! Aren't you going to say anything to Cloud?" (She walks over to Cloud.) "Welcome home, Cloud. Looks like everything went well." "Did you fight with Barret?" <CHOICE> Yeah Not this time ***Cloud Yeah Tifa "I should have known." "He's always pushing people around, and you've always been in fights ever since you were little." "I was worried."
I get the impression from that quote that they're referring to the "princess desires" that many young girls have, not just Tifa. Princes are always rescuing princesses in different fairy tales, and this could make a lot of young girls think about getting rescued by a prince or "hero". But I also think that quote *really* points out that the *main* reason Tifa took any interest in Cloud was because he planned to join SOLDIER. If he hadn't told her that, I get the impression she wouldn't have taken any notice of him at all. All she wanted was a hero - any hero - not Cloud in particular. |
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| Jon Snow | Jan 6 2011, 08:45 PM Post #12 |
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Good relationship? Between Cloud and Tifa? As children no less? You can't have a good childhood relationship if you didn't even know each other. |
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| Shiva | Jan 6 2011, 08:50 PM Post #13 |
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Didn't it even talk about Cloud and Tifa returning to Nibelheim at one point in CoT and neither of them liked seeing the place because of all the bad memories? If they had had a happy childhood together, wouldn't they have at least some positive memories from their past? And yet it seemed that all the place held for them was bitterness. |
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| Quexinos | Jan 6 2011, 11:58 PM Post #14 |
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I think that's talking about when the place burnt down and Sephiroth killed everyone. |
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| Shiva | Jan 7 2011, 03:08 AM Post #15 |
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Like I just said, IF they had happy childhood memories, wouldn't they have some positive memories? Like "despite all of the terrible memories from the tragedy at Nibelheim, Cloud and I still had a small glimmer of happiness in that darkness- our wonderful childhood memories of growing up together..." Something... Instead, it's ALL bitter and ALL dark. It really makes it seem as if there wasn't much to be going back there for. |
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Tifa can also mention that Cloud was always getting in fights as a boy in Nibelheim when she's first introduced during the game:
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