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Last Order; Canon or not?
Topic Started: Jan 1 2011, 11:31 PM (607 Views)
Shiva
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I know it was stated that Last Order was not considered an official part of the Compilation of FFVII in the 20th Anniversary Ultimania. But, does this mean it isn't canon? Not being a part of the Compilation doesn't equate to not being canon, right?

I think you could say it isn't canon simply because it warps the events from FFVII to such a great degree. It was also produced by Madhouse and not the S-E staff, which also puts a damper on its canonicity.

Some things I've seen said by others:

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Well there is one very simple explanation: though produced by Square, Last Order was not written by Compilation of FFVIIs scenario writer, neither was it directed nor specifically controlled by Nomura or anyone from his team. Therefore, the events of Last Order aren't necessarily canonical - though they certainly reference the Nibelheim Incident and Zack and Cloud's escape, the original game and CRISIS CORE not only nicely fit all the pieces together but certainly negate Last Order's rendition.

NOTE: Last Order was originally supposed to be a game - or more accurately was later renamed Crisis Core and the tentative title used for the OVA.
Is all this true? Was LO not controlled by Nomura or any of the other S-E staff? Where was this said? And... did Crisis Core negate LO? Was Crisis Core the original name for the LO OVA?

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Last Order is an odd one out because, as implied previously in the conversattion Last Order, although commisioned by Square was made by someone completely different, Mad House. A LOT of people complained about the discrepancies with Last Order, in particular the Sephiroth jumping down the reactor thing, and acknowledged the inconsistancies and said publicly that they wanted to avoid such discrepancies in the future. Interestingly enough, when they made Crisis Core they had a whole team of people just to ensure the continuity with the rest of the compilation. Obviously they did want to set things straight, so I think you can probably accept FF7 and Crisis Core as canon, and the inconsistancies as overruled.
Is that true?

So, what do you guys think? Is Last Order canon... or not?
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Jon Snow
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It's not canon in my opinion. Too many inconsistencies, but then again, every thing in VII's compilation is inconsistent. <_<

But, no, it's not canon as far as I believe.
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Shiva
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I guess I don't consider it canon either. In the Final Fantasy 20th Anniversary Edition, on page 226, it stated "'Last Order', is an original anime work depicting the situation of Nibelheim event by one's own explanation." There was also a footnote there, which stated that it was "A work outside the Compilation of FF7".

In Reunions Files, this was stated about Last Order: "The 'Advent Children Advent Pieces Limited' box set includes an animation entitled 'Last Order'- approximately 30 minutes in length. Last Order's production and script were done by Madhouse. Zack's escape and the Nibelheim incident are explored further in this production, while certain scenes differ slightly from the game's storyline (such as the scene in which Tifa looks at Cloud when he comes to save her). Since a single scene can be subject to multiple interpretations, it was agreed upon to portray them in this way. (p.95)

Also, in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania, it said, "The most distinguishing feature of 'LO' is that, after completing the supplement of FF7 story, it initiated an independent one. For example, 5 years ago, in the Reactor of Nibelheim, Cloud runs to Tifa and their faces meet at each other; Sephiroth flies downward the Reactor. If you consider it a new interpretation to start FF7, then this work can furthermore be enjoyed."

Also, from the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania: The feature of 'LO' is that it partially has its own unique interpretation based on 'FFVII'. (Tifa's profile)

So, not only is Last Order not considered a part of the Compilation, its canonicity has been called into question. It was called an "original anime work" and the scenes within are called a mere "interpretation" of the events of FFVII. It was also referred to as an "independent" work. It even clearly stated that the script and production were done entirely by an outside source, the animation studio Madhouse. Just how much guidance were they given, if any? It never says.

Not only that, but no one who has actually seen LO would actually consider it an accurate representation of the Nibelheim events. It completely bastardizes that sequence of events and warps the storyline to such an extent that the events of the original game no longer make sense. And, then, there is Crisis Core, which came along after Last Order, and actually changed the events back to fit more closely with the original game's canon.
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Quexinos
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OH my god Shiva your sig scares the crap out of me.

yeah I don't think it's canon either. They seem to be trying to tell us that it's not or that it doesn't matter much anyway. They almost seem annoyed with it XD
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Shiva
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Jan 2 2011, 02:32 AM
OH my god Shiva your sig scares the crap out of me.

yeah I don't think it's canon either. They seem to be trying to tell us that it's not or that it doesn't matter much anyway. They almost seem annoyed with it XD

I know... ain't that the creepiest Ewok you've ever seen? :lmao:

And, yeah, I agree with you about LO. They seem to dismiss it quite often as unimportant. They haven't come out and said it isn't canon, but they are hinting quite strongly that it isn't. Ironically enough, they've never done such a thing to Maiden. :whistle:
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Aerire Fairy
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I hope it's not canon.... it takes away the main heroic moment of Cloud for.. Sephirothism. :angry:
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Shiva
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I know... :veto: They completely ruined Cloud's triumph over Sephiroth. They also made it to where Sephiroth had no reason to want revenge on Cloud. The main reason Sephiroth so wanted vengeance upon Cloud was because he was defeated by "a failed experiment".

And the whole thing with Tifa, too. If Tifa had seen Cloud that day, she could easily have told him right off that he wasn't in Zack's position there. Unless you want Tifa to look like a total liar... <_<

So, basically, they ruined FFVII with their asshattery. If Sephiroth didn't want revenge on Cloud so badly, he wouldn't have included Cloud in his plans for the Planet. If Tifa had just told Cloud on the get-go when she saw him at the train station that he wasn't a SOLDIER, then he wouldn't have joined Avalanche. Cloud and Aerith wouldn't have ended up in the Temple of the Ancients, Cloud wouldn't have given Sephiroth the Black Materia, Aerith might not have been killed... I mean, really? :ow: And forget about AC/C. I doubt any of that would have happened either.
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Jan 4 2011, 03:52 PM
I know... :veto: They completely ruined Cloud's triumph over Sephiroth. They also made it to where Sephiroth had no reason to want revenge on Cloud. The main reason Sephiroth so wanted vengeance upon Cloud was because he was defeated by "a failed experiment".

And the whole thing with Tifa, too. If Tifa had seen Cloud that day, she could easily have told him right off that he wasn't in Zack's position there. Unless you want Tifa to look like a total liar... <_<

So, basically, they ruined FFVII with their asshattery. If Sephiroth didn't want revenge on Cloud so badly, he wouldn't have included Cloud in his plans for the Planet. If Tifa had just told Cloud on the get-go when she saw him at the train station that he wasn't a SOLDIER, then he wouldn't have joined Avalanche. Cloud and Aerith wouldn't have ended up in the Temple of the Ancients, Cloud wouldn't have given Sephiroth the Black Materia, Aerith might not have been killed... I mean, really? :ow: And forget about AC/C. I doubt any of that would have happened either.

THATS!!! What I thought too back then!!!!
The parts where, if she knew he was there, she should have told him about the truth and all, but this person, made this an eye opener to me LOL!

(Not what the person said, but i'll just make it a quick theory LOL)

Says something like, HOJO, If Hojo had not shot Vincent, knocked Lucrecia up and gave birth to Sephiroth, NONE of this would have happened, Cloud and Tifa would be a couple and Zack and Aerith would still be alive and a couple!

Okay I dont agree with the whole thing about Cloud and Tifa together and Zack and Aerith together, cause, if Sephiroth didnt exist, Cloud would still be a loser of their hometown and would have not called Tifa up to the tower and Tifa would have not noticed him. (she had a groupie)
And then Zack would, maybe still be in Soldier, but I doubt he would have crashed down into Aerith's church and met her, cause Angeal was a project, knocked him down to Aerith's church. And then Aerith would still be living in her birthplace, Icical inn, (is that how you spell it? XD) With her parents, Gast and Ifalna.
But I do agree that Hojo screwed up and entwined everyone's destiny LOL.
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