| Welcome to Cloud x Aerith forums! We hope you enjoy your visit. You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. Join our community! If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features: |
| "dream Girl"; What huh? | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 2 2010, 11:05 PM (2,674 Views) | |
| Anastar | Oct 9 2010, 09:30 PM Post #46 |
|
To touch the light I see in your eyes...
|
You said that you didn't think Nomura was talking about the LTD and that he was really talking about the end of the game. That's saying that she's remembering it wrong. ![]() I'm not trying to say who's right. I'm saying that it sounds like both of you are unsure of what exactly Nomura said because we can't find the quote or scan. So what I'm saying is - that as of now - *we can't know for sure* until we find the scan. Besides, if Nomura was talking about fans thinking that everyone died at the end of FFVII, then it seems to me that the movie still contradicted that idea. |
![]() |
|
| Quexinos | Oct 10 2010, 04:45 AM Post #47 |
|
WOO HOO!
|
My point is he could have been talking about several things. Im sure many fan ideas have been contradicted over the years. Not everything said is about the LTD.
They did lie about the plot. They said "the plot" was a true story and it was not. It's not a lie about what the plot is about but it's still a lie about it. Either way it was a lie in advertising which happens all the time really. Video games, products, you name it.
I never said there outright wasn't any truth at all, just that it's understandable that some people would question how reliable it is. |
![]() |
|
| Hades' Daughter | Oct 10 2010, 08:20 PM Post #48 |
|
Cleris Extremist
|
In mentioning plot, I was talking about the actual summary of the story.
Either Cloud and Aerith were lovers or they weren't. Either the commercial told the truth or it was an outright lie. As I've said, it's not definite proof but it certainly reinforces the Cleris interpretation of the game. The Clotis I know of aren't merely questioning the reliability of the commercial. They basically want the commercial omitted and ignored. |
![]() |
|
| Quexinos | Oct 10 2010, 09:22 PM Post #49 |
|
WOO HOO!
|
Wait didn't we establish it was a half truth? If we're talking just black and white now... the commercial didn't say they were lovers. How could they be lovers if their love could never be? Either the love could never be, or it couldn't be. Either Sephiroth had a hate that always was or he didn't. They're half truths but in the commercial to sound good to sell. That's all they are really. |
![]() |
|
| Anastar | Oct 10 2010, 09:29 PM Post #50 |
|
To touch the light I see in your eyes...
|
That makes me wonder if we could apply that same concept to other statements made by the staff, and if so, how many? ![]()
And my standpoint on that issue is that it's up to the player whether or not Cloud and Aerith were lovers. Through making certain choices in dialogue, Cloud and Aerith will be lovers, and through making other choices in dialogue, Cloud and Tifa are/were lovers. It's all up to interpretation and the choices made in dialogue. It seems to me that SE has left both interpretations possible, since they haven't deemed either interpretation as canon. Even though Cloti's like to *think* that SE said Cloti is canon on this page of the 20th Anniv. Ultimania, they're ignoring the fact that SE specified on this page of the 20th AU that either interpretation is still possible because the scene is optional. Not only did they specify that the scene is optional, but they also linked to the page saying that's it optional (page 232) right HERE. The reason I'm bringing this up is simply because my interpretation means that BOTH of your viewpoints are valid. And now I'll shut up.
|
![]() |
|
| Hades' Daughter | Oct 10 2010, 10:07 PM Post #51 |
|
Cleris Extremist
|
Quex:
You're saying it's half truth. I said at the very least there's gotta be some truth to it. Now my opinion is that the commercial was speaking the truth. All it did was point out the highlights of the game.
"A love that could never be" speaks of how two lovers are torn apart by tragedy. It's not saying that they can never be lovers. That phrase was coupled with the tragic scene in which Cloud was laying Aerith to rest with the word "love" clearly above their heads.
First off, you're not using the phrase "a love that could never be" correctly. Either Cloud and Aerith get separated by a tragedy or they don't(and it can be argued that they don't). Secondly, I already agreed commercials could be creative and, thus, the phrases "a love that could never be" and "a hatred that always was" could be seen as "creativity". Talking strictly black and white, there was either hatred involved with Sephiroth or there wasn't. Likewise, Cloud and Aerith were either lovers or they weren't. Anastar:
I respect your opinions, Anastar, but I personally can't ignore the fact that there's a default factor involved. The Cleris date is default and then there's the fact that Aerith states they were lovers. My opinion is that the canon of the game says that, at least at one point in time, Cloud and Aerith were romantically connected. |
![]() |
|
| Quexinos | Oct 10 2010, 10:23 PM Post #52 |
|
WOO HOO!
|
Half truth/some truth to it. Basically the same thing. It's not the whole truth.
I... wait what? If the love could never be, it could never be. I mean I think I kinda get what you're saying here. I mean if they loved each other and then she dies then their love obviously can't be. Right? But that's a terrible way to word that especially with the word "Never" in there. Never pretty much means it didn't happen. A love that could never be, is a love that could never be.
I'm really not sure how "A love that could never be" means "They can still be lovers" Either the love could be, or it can't be.
Aerith dies either way and either way it's a tragedy. Either way they were separated by said tragedy. The only way you could argue they don't get separated by a tragedy is if you said Aerith's death wasn't one.
The word "lovers" didn't come up. What I think you want to say is "Either there was love between them or there wasn't." |
![]() |
|
| Anastar | Oct 10 2010, 11:08 PM Post #53 |
|
To touch the light I see in your eyes...
|
Time out. I think you misunderstand what "a love that could never be" means. See this explanation: General Writing and Grammar Help: "a love that could never be" I don't remember asking that question - guess I did. At any rate, the "expert" says that Romeo and Juliet are an example of a love that could never be. Are you saying that Romeo and Juliet weren't considered lovers (or in love) after their death?
|
![]() |
|
| Jon Snow | Oct 10 2010, 11:10 PM Post #54 |
|
khaleesi ♥
|
Okay, wait, w-h-a-t?
There was love there, but their love was ripped apart by death, meaning their love can never be now because of her death. If she had lived, their love would have survived and had a happy ending consisting of their perfect stars coming together to get married. But since she died, their love was stopped; therefor their love will never be...now. I don't get why there's confusion about this. And honestly, just because people argue they can't be together in the living world, that doesn't stop them from loving each other. Their love will still last. Just like Jack and Rose from Titanic. He died, their love could never be, but they still loved each other. And for a while, Tidus and Yuna's love could never be, too. Just because something gets in the way, like death, it doesn't take away the fact that they still loved each other.
Also, in this interview about KH, Nomura says this; "FFVII's main character, who even I have a strong attachment to. The single wing that appears when he uses the power of darkness is a homage to his eternal rival, Sephiroth. I think that the scene in the ending with Aerith, which is possible because it is parallel, is one answer." (Nomura) Definition of "eternal"; 1. without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing : eternal life. Synonyms for "eternal" include; always, ceaseless, constant, continued, dateless, everlasting, forever, lasting, never-ending, timeless, unbroken, unceasing, undying, unending, unfading, uninterrupted, unremitting, without end
That seems pretty mutual if you ask me. |
![]() |
|
| Quexinos | Oct 10 2010, 11:13 PM Post #55 |
|
WOO HOO!
|
That's right. A love that could never be, means they can't be lovers because of something. Right?
I worded this wrong. The phrase means it can't happen is what I meant. |
![]() |
|
| Jon Snow | Oct 10 2010, 11:14 PM Post #56 |
|
khaleesi ♥
|
They physically cannot be lovers in the *living* world. But they are still madly deeply in love with each other. |
![]() |
|
| Quexinos | Oct 10 2010, 11:17 PM Post #57 |
|
WOO HOO!
|
Maybe I misread something but I remember HD saying they could still be lovers and I assumed she meant even after the "Love that could never be" thing had happened. Which would be wrong right? EDIT: okay here:
I assumed she meant like afterwards that they could still be lovers even if their love could never be. Okay looking at Anastar's link I see where you're getting that they WERE lovers now. I didn't know that phrase came from Romeo and Juliet. What's funny is if you look up the phrase on google you get a bunch of Romeo and Juliet results along with a bunch of FFVII ones
|
![]() |
|
| Jon Snow | Oct 10 2010, 11:27 PM Post #58 |
|
khaleesi ♥
|
I don't really know what HD said. So I can't answer for HD :o
Of course she meant before. Also, it's new to me, I had no idea that line came from Romeo and Juliet. That's so awesome. :lol: |
![]() |
|
| Hades' Daughter | Oct 10 2010, 11:30 PM Post #59 |
|
Cleris Extremist
|
Quex:
I don't want to confuse either of us any farther so I'll just clarify here that I believe the commercial speaks the truth about there being a romantic relationship between Cloud and Aerith just as it speaks the truth about there being hatred involved with Sephiroth. I think you can see where I stand. If you don't mind me asking, could you clarify what about the commercial, to you, was true and what wasn't? I'm just curious in knowing.
That line doesn't necessarily indicate whether their love can or can't be. Again, it's just saying that some kind of tragedy will pull the two lovers apart. The importance behind this line is that it says Cloud and Aerith were in love. It establishes the relationship between Cloud and Aerith. As for whether their love can be or can't be, if Aerith just died and if FFVII's theme wasn't "life" and relaying the message that a person's existence doesn't just end when they die then, sure, I guess you could argue that Cloud and Aerith's love can't be. If the planet didn't tell Cloud that he could still meet/find Aerith in the Promised Land then, sure, I guess you could argue that their love can't be. However, that's not the case here....hence, why I said it could be argued.
What I said above in regards to the Promised Land and FFVII's theme "life".
I just assumed two people who have love between them were called lovers. |
![]() |
|
| Jon Snow | Oct 10 2010, 11:33 PM Post #60 |
|
khaleesi ♥
|
I did, too.
Brava, HD! Very well said and I agree completely! |
![]() |
|
| Go to Next Page | |
| « Previous Topic · Final Fantasy VII · Next Topic » |







I don't remember asking that question - guess I did.
At any rate, the "expert" says that Romeo and Juliet are an example of a love that could never be. Are you saying that Romeo and Juliet weren't considered lovers (or in love) after their death?
12:53 AM Jul 11