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"dream Girl"; What huh?
Topic Started: Oct 2 2010, 11:05 PM (2,675 Views)
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It was only after Nomura came out and said that he'd been told that he was contradicting the ideas of certain fans that the information became more neutral (and AC as well, I imagine).

Lol what?... got a source on that/ XD
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She obviously does, otherwise, how else would she have known about it? :P
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I'm asking for the specific quote and where it's from though. So I can troll a certain forum tell some of my friends and see what they think.
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Oct 7 2010, 06:04 PM
I'm asking for the specific quote and where it's from though. So I can troll a certain forum tell some of my friends and see what they think.

Gotchya. :lol:
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Sorry, guys. I remember the quote clear as day, it came out with one of the scans. But, I have never been able to find that old scan again. I wish I'd saved it at the time. But, he did say that. I can't prove it, though, which is why I don't already have an essay up about it. :lol:
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Do you remember what magazine it was from exactly? I think ACF has a ton of the old AC magazine scans and if not, usually someone on ... another forum has them. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if such a quote was said, it wasn't about the love triangle.

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you know I know the old owner of ACF on facebook. I wonder if she has any of this old information. I really should try to talk to her about it.
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Oct 8 2010, 07:29 AM
Do you remember what magazine it was from exactly? I think ACF has a ton of the old AC magazine scans and if not, usually someone on ... another forum has them. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if such a quote was said, it wasn't about the love triangle.

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you know I know the old owner of ACF on facebook. I wonder if she has any of this old information. I really should try to talk to her about it.

I believe it was about the love triangle. The reason I say this is because all of the ClAeris-loaded quotes disappeared right after he came out and said that. Scans were far more neutral afterward.

The quote was either from Dengeki or... frick, I can't remember the name of the other magazine. <_< Does anyone else remember the other name of the two magazines that were always coming out with AC info? They were both Japanese.
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^The only other one I can think of is Famitsu, Shiva.

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Thing is - where is it documented that it's not an actual quote from SE? How do we know that Cloud didn't originally say that at some point in the movie? How do we know that some editor added it without actual basis?

Sure, all of that is *possible*, but the opposite of each statement is also possible. It shouldn't be asserted as fact unless it can be documented. Until it can be documented, it's nothing but conjecture and speculation.


You're right. No one knows for sure if it's an actual quote or not. What I was trying to say to Quex is that I personally wasn't arguing that it was an actual quote. My argument is that I don't believe an editor would ever add anything into it without basis or some kind of prompt from SE. As you've said, maybe it is something Cloud was originally supposed to say. Who knows.

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Well the commercial is a tad different.  A lot of FF commercials have false information in them.  I think FF8 says it's about Squall trying to win Riona's heart or something which is completely fabricated.


Well...that just depends on how one interprets FF8. Even if it can be argued that FF8 wasn't about Squall "trying to win Rinoa's heart", the statement is not entirely false. There IS love between Squall and Rinoa. I would argue too then that FF7's commercial isn't entirely false and that there should be love between Cloud and Aerith as shown. Now, if FF8's commercial portrayed a love between Rinoa and Zell, that would be entirely false...but, of course, the commercial would never do such a thing because that would be outright lying. Commercials may twist things a little so as not to give too much away but there's always, at the very least, a ring of truth to what they're saying, especially when they're referring to plot.

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I think in both cases, these things are made to sell so Square or the magazine people or whoever is going to put in information and ideas that sell.  Period.  Even if it is taking a few creative liberties along the way.


There's a difference between taking a few creative liberties and outright lies. I can see the phrase "a story of a love that could never be" as creativity but to lie about the relationship between Cloud and Aerith? I don't think so. I see no reason for them to lie about anything. There's no reason why they couldn't have used Cloud and Tifa's love to sell the game if their relationship was so canon. It certainly wasn't because they were worried about the FFVII fandom.
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Does anyone else remember the other name of the two magazines that were always coming out with AC info? They were both Japanese.

There's Dengeki, Famitsu, Shounen Jump, Blitz, and.... is Jump the same as Shounen Jump or different? :unsure:

There's also a TON of old scans about AC from Sept. 2003 - Aug. 2005 here:

http://www.unlimitedgamer.net/coverage/ff7...ns_sep_2005.php

I don't believe any of those scans are translated, though.

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There's a difference between taking a few creative liberties and outright lies.

I'd have to agree. If a magazine just made something up that had no basis in fact, I would think SE would be pretty unhappy about it. But again, we don't really know for sure what happened.
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It's Famitsu, yes, thank you! :lol:
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I believe it was about the love triangle. The reason I say this is because all of the ClAeris-loaded quotes disappeared right after he came out and said that. Scans were far more neutral afterward.

The thing is, I think I kind of remember him saying that (I was in the fandom at the time, just not in the LTD) and for some reason I remember he was talking about fans who thought the end of the game meant all the humans died. But I might be thinking of something else. And I don't see why they would suddenly stop posting Clerithy quotes if their intention was for the movie to be Clerithy.

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There's a difference between taking a few creative liberties and outright lies.

Not in marketing. For example, the movie "The Third Kind" was marketed to be based on true stories and real accounts. But that turned out to be a lie. None of those events ever happened. Not to mention "A hate that always was."... Seph didn't always hate Cloud or always hate anyone. They're stretching the truth because it sounds good.

I mean look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBG4TUPxQ0U
Does that mean Mog is responsible for all the monsters in the game?

Also the FFVII Japanese commercial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ8FA0u3-RI

Nothing about love hate or anything. I'm not saying Square didn't have anything to do with the commercials or that they didn't approve of it or anything but commercials should always be taken with a grain of salt as they're made to make the product sell, not to always tell the exact truth.

Magazines on the other hand, I've been told they get their info from Square and just kind of expand on that. At least that's what I was told about the Dengaki profiles :P

As for scans:
http://adventchildren.net/ff7ac/media/scans.php

That's like all the FFVII AC scans ever as far as I know. Maybe it's in there.
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Not in marketing. For example, the movie "The Third Kind" was marketed to be based on true stories and real accounts. But that turned out to be a lie. None of those events ever happened. Not to mention "A hate that always was."... Seph didn't always hate Cloud or always hate anyone. They're stretching the truth because it sounds good.


I did say I was referring to the plot/events, didn't I? So the commercial for "The Third Kind" stretched things and told us it was based on real accounts but it's not like it was giving us a summary of the storyline and told us it was about Micky Mouse going shopping. There has to be basis behind it. Sephiroth may not have always hated the world(unless you count "for a very long time now" as "always"), but regardless...there IS hatred involved with Sephiroth. Cloud and Aerith's love may not necessarily be "a love that could never be"(two lovers separated by some tragic event) because of the fact that FFVII's theme is "life" and, ultimately, Cloud is still able to meet Aerith in the Promised Land. However, there should still be love involved between the two as portrayed, just like how there is hatred involved with Sephiroth.

You said yourself that they're "stretching the truth"...and, yes, I did agree that commercials were allowed to be creative but I also said that being creative isn't the same thing as outright lying, especially when it's a serious commercial referring to the plot/events of something.

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Does that mean Mog is responsible for all the monsters in the game?


Well, I'd have to say that it's pretty obvious this commercial wasn't meant to be taken seriously, not that it mentioned anything about the plots and events of FFVI.

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I'm not saying Square didn't have anything to do with the commercials or that they didn't approve of it or anything but commercials should always be taken with a grain of salt as they're made to make the product sell, not to always tell the exact truth.


So are we saying that there's, at least, some truth to them then? :P
The commercial by itself isn't that big of a deal but coupled with everything else, I think it says quite a bit for the Cloud and Aerith pairing. I can understand it a little if people were arguing that there was love involved but that Cloud eventually moved on with someone else. It's a little hard for me to believe that after everything, some fans could still say that there was absolutely nothing going for Cleris and that the two were merely good friends.

If this was only about making the product sell, I, again, have to question why they didn't use Cloud and Tifa's love to sell the product. I don't see how Cloud and Aerith's love would have sold the product any better than Cloud and Tifa's.
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The thing is, I think I kind of remember him saying that (I was in the fandom at the time, just not in the LTD) and for some reason I remember he was talking about fans who thought the end of the game meant all the humans died.   But I might be thinking of something else.

I don't remember the quote myself, so I can't comment on what Nomura said. However, I don't see why you're trying to correct what FFG said when you can't provide the source, either, and you're only telling us about what you *think* you remember. C'mon, Quex - I'm not gonna take your word over FFG's. When somebody can provide the actual quote, then I'll listen. :P
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The thing is, I think I kind of remember him saying that (I was in the fandom at the time, just not in the LTD) and for some reason I remember he was talking about fans who thought the end of the game meant all the humans died.   But I might be thinking of something else.

I don't remember the quote myself, so I can't comment on what Nomura said. However, I don't see why you're trying to correct what FFG said when you can't provide the source, either, and you're only telling us about what you *think* you remember. C'mon, Quex - I'm not gonna take your word over FFG's. When somebody can provide the actual quote, then I'll listen. :P

I don't remember him saying anything about the ending of the game or anything else for that matter. The quote itself was sort of vague and he just basically said that he'd had to change some aspects of AC itself because he was told that he was contradicting the ideas of some fans. It was immediately after that that all of the ClAerisy quotes disappeared from the AC scans. Like I said, I can't produce a quote, but, if you follow the timeline of the scans, you can see when they suddenly take a turn toward being more neutral.
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I'm not correcting her. She said she thought the quote was about the LTD and I said I thought it was about the end of the game. It's obvious if he said something like "contradicting some fans ideas." then it's not clear which fans he's talking about. And at the time, I thought he meant the end of the game because that's all I really knew.
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