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| Small Question About The Ending...; ... Lifestream? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 26 2010, 06:20 PM (804 Views) | |
| Vanelo | Aug 26 2010, 06:20 PM Post #1 |
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One Emerged From Shadows Into Light
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I just finished FFVII yet again, and one thing I noticed in the ending this time... and someone correct me if I'm wrong about this. But... I noticed that almost the second after Cloud defeated Sephiroth, the Lifestream immediately started swirling around Cloud, almost like it was caressing or embracing him. Then it looked like... it all bunched together and entered his heart. I've beaten this game probably close to 10 times now, and I never paid much attention to this. I just... I dunno, just thought it was some fancy special effects they threw in to punctuate Cloud's victory. But now that I actually bothered to look at the ending with a more critical eye... just... WOW. For clarification, here's the ending. What I'm talking about happens almost immediately into the video: [spoiler=FFVII ENDING SPOILERS][youtube]W4_sw0trdNc[/youtube][/spoiler] I immediately thought... "Is that Aeris' will?!" I mean, I was shocked upon picking this up. Just look at it, the way it moves around Cloud and then how he's able to see Aeris reaching for him afterwards. So I guess my question is... did I see this right, or am I totally misinterpreting the scene... or what? Because if this IS what happened... that certainly speaks volumes, doesn't it? EDIT: I apologize if this is old hat now. Remember, I've only been here around two years or so, and when I joined was more or less when I really started following the LTD, and I didn't see any topics on this, so I thought I should post it.
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| Alantie | Aug 27 2010, 02:43 AM Post #2 |
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Dreams the world far away
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I don't think I've ever seen discussion about this, so you're good! ^^ Now that I'm watching it, you do have a really good point. Before I didn't make the connection, but I wouldn't doubt that the Lifestream around Cloud is very much filled with Aerith's presence. MotP also backs this up; she was there, she really did reach out to guide Cloud back to safety. ^^ Nice catch! |
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| Myko | Aug 27 2010, 05:14 AM Post #3 |
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Hopeless Romantic
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It sort of looks like the pink lifestream is going into his chest, since it basically disappears in favor of the overpowering green lifestream. It sort of... dives, doesn't it? |
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| Vanelo | Aug 27 2010, 05:46 AM Post #4 |
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One Emerged From Shadows Into Light
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Pretty much. Then afterwards it sorta looks like there's Lifestream kinda... how to put this... steaming or venting outwards from where it entered him? But wow... has no one else seriously noticed this? If I'm right about this, the implications aren't exactly small. I mean, this might explain why Cloud is able to see Aeris here and in AC. And I mean... didn't Nomura say AC was all about people or memories living on inside of us? Plus, think about it... Cloud says earlier in the game that Aeris herself has not returned to the Planet yet because something (i.e. Sephiroth) was blocking her. So then, Cloud kills Sephiroth, and what's the first thing that happens? This! Aeris wastes absolutely zero time finding Cloud, and if I'm not mistaken about all this, entering his heart. THEN she goes off to save the world XD And actually, that was how this all clicked... I remembered that Aeris was the one responsible for guiding the Lifestream to Midgar and using it to save the Planet from Meteor. As such, I had very good reason to believe her will was what caused the Lifestream to interact with Cloud here. Aeris and the Lifestream are very strongly associated with each other by the plot. Anyone else? I'd be glad to hear feedback for or against my interpretation of this scene. I was expecting someone to instantly brush this off as well-trodden ground, so I'm not sure what to think or where else to go with this just yet!
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| Shiva | Aug 27 2010, 01:21 PM Post #5 |
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Legendary Member
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Well, I saw the Lifestream swirling around Cloud, but I never saw any of it actually enter his chest.
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| Alantie | Aug 30 2010, 02:45 AM Post #6 |
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Dreams the world far away
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Well- the question of whether or not the Lifestream entered Cloud is debatable. The Lifestream coils around him then there's a big flash of light, then it seems to expell outwards, so there's no real image of the Lifestream seen entering him. But Cloud already has Lifestream inside him anyway from the Soldier experiments- the mako inside him is essentially Lifestream. What I think is interesting about this is it neatly ties in with the rest of the compilation, including the often debated MotP. It's a clear indication that Aerith is really there, and that Cloud isn't simply seeing things when her hand appears to guide him to safety, which also ties into AC. |
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| Vanelo | Aug 30 2010, 03:19 AM Post #7 |
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One Emerged From Shadows Into Light
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This is pretty much exactly what I thought when I realized what the Lifestream around Cloud really was (i.e. Aeris' will). To me, it really did look like it was going in him, but there's two things that make it totally understandable to me if anyone disagrees: 1. It is possible that image quality makes a difference here. I noticed everything I have posted about when watching the ending on a 26-inch TV while playing the game itself, so there was zero image quality compression (beyond what was present in the game itself) like on Youtube. The video I linked was the best quality I could find (even ones with 1080p don't improve the image any since that isn't the game's native resolution, which is to my knowledge impossible to upscale with current technology), and it's still not as good as seeing the ending by playing the game itself on a real TV. The only way I can double check this at the moment is to boot the game up and spend an hour kicking Sephiroth's butt again ![]() 2. I've finished this game many times without making the connection, so I fully admit it is possible I'm looking too deeply into things. Still, the way it ties in with Aeris leading the Lifestream to Meteor, and the way Cloud and Aeris interact in AC (though admittedly I prefer to pretend the rest of the compilation except for Dirge of Cerberus... and sometimes even that... doesn't exist), I feel, at the very least, Alantie's version of this event is correct, if not my own. Even if the Lifestream did not literally enter Cloud, I have no doubt whatsoever that it WAS Aeris' will. |
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| Anastar | Sep 3 2010, 06:22 PM Post #8 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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Your you tube link isn't working for me for some reason, so I didn't get to watch it again. However, I've seen it about 10x anyway, so.... :lol: I do remember the Lifestream swirling around Cloud after he defeats Sephiroth. I never noticed whether or not it enters his heart. However, there's no reason that it *can't* enter his heart. I mean, if Aerith's will can direct where Holy goes then it can also direct where Aerith's spirit energy goes. Also, remember what Nomura said in the Distance interview: As for Cloud…he sees Aerith several times throughout the film. It’s not that he sees her because he feels her presence. He sees her because her consciousness…lives on inside him. ~ Nomura; Distance Interview If Aerith's consciousness lives on inside Cloud, then it must have entered him at some time or another. For another thing, Cloud's body has a high level of Mako energy (Lifestream) inside of him anyway. It seems to me that it'd be relatively easy for a spirit energy made of Lifestream to enter or combine with another person's spirit energy when his body already has an abnormally high level of Lifestream it thanks to Hojo's experimentation on him. In other words, since Cloud's body has a high level of Mako in it, then Aerith's spirit energy would merely have to combine with the Lifestream already inside of Cloud. Since Mako is produced from the Lifestream, then the high level of Mako inside of Cloud should make that easy. |
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| Vanelo | Sep 4 2010, 01:29 AM Post #9 |
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One Emerged From Shadows Into Light
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4_sw0trdNc Here's the link if that helps
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| Anastar | Sep 4 2010, 03:39 PM Post #10 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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Thanks very much, Vanelo! Yes, I was able to get to it with the link.Unfortunately, I don't see where you think it looks like the Lifestream is entering Cloud's heart, unless you mean this part where it looks like it's entering from his back: ![]() Thing is, you see the "stream" continuing on around his body: ![]() However, there *is* a place where it looks like the Lifestream emerges from inside of Cloud right before you see Aerith's hand: ![]() If it's coming from inside Cloud's body, then she must have entered it at some point. Also, remember that I have *terrible* eyes, so don't rely on me for good observation. :lol: I still say that Hojo infused Cloud with a large amount of Mako (Lifestream), which means that Cloud has an abnormally high amount of Lifestream in him anyway. IMO, that would make it relatively easy for Aerith's spirit energy to transfer inside of Cloud if she wanted to. We also know that Aerith has a strong will that allows her to direct her spirit energy where she wants. |
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| Myko | Sep 4 2010, 08:01 PM Post #11 |
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Hopeless Romantic
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They mean here. Where the pink lifestream is gathering, and it looks like it's "diving" into Cloud.![]() ![]() See how it looks like it's plummeting or aimed downward? |
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| Anastar | Sep 5 2010, 04:12 PM Post #12 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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To me, that part is way too confusing to tell if it's going anyplace in particular. :lol: But that's just me, and I have terrible eyes, so don't rely on what I'm saying. |
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| Hades' Daughter | Sep 7 2010, 11:38 PM Post #13 |
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Cleris Extremist
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If it's any help, I definitely think it's diving into Cloud. Looks to me like it's gathering in him then shooting back out. However, I don't know for sure if there was any reasoning behind why that happened. After that happened though, recall that Cloud said that the Planet had given him an answer. I wonder if the lifestream diving into him was the "planet" giving him that answer. |
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| Anastar | Sep 8 2010, 01:59 PM Post #14 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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Everyone seems to agree, so I'll believe you. Like I said, my eyes are really bad - I've had surgery on them twice and I was totally blind in one eye for a year after college thanks to diabetes.I would think that if the Lifestream enters him, that would explain Nomura's comment in Distance about Aerith's consciousness living on inside of Cloud.
Yes, it would seem that Aerith and/or the Planet communicated with him when that happened. How else would he get that answer? |
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| Alan Bates | Sep 8 2010, 04:02 PM Post #15 |
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That one guy
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More importantly, towards the end of the game Cloud falls into the Lifestream and is said to have been exposed to so much mako energy he should have died right there, yet he (eventually) pulled through. I'd say he's probably more staured with mako energy than anybody else on the planet. |
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