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| Shiva | Jan 9 2011, 12:34 AM Post #46 |
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Hey, these are great! Thanks a bunch, Quex!Do you mind if I clean up the grammar on some of them? For instance... "A misunderstanding and hatred for his father Seto." "As a descendant of his species, he is revered as a guardian of the planet." My changes are in red. I think there are a few other places like that, but they wouldn't be anything that would change the meanings, just get the words to flow a bit better. And would it be okay to change the name "Siera" to "Shera" (since that is how it was spelled in the game)?This one cracked me up---> "A sinful mouth and a hot heart."
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| Quexinos | Jan 9 2011, 06:23 AM Post #47 |
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Yeah if you find a grammar error, go ahead and fix it. It was late last night when I finished so I guess I wasn't paying attention XD Sorry. EDIT "I have to commit a crime again..." Heading toward the Northern Cave to defeat Sephiroth. 「私はまた罪を犯そうとしているのか……」 (セフィロスを倒すため大空洞に向かう) He's talking about how he has to commit another crime and defeat the son of Lucrecia. Anyone know when he says this? I think it might be right before the Hojo fight but I'm not sure... tbh I don't quite remember him saying it But I'd guess it'd be around there. BTW I might be able to get a hold of Cait Sith and Barret's cards so I'll keep you posted if I do. EDIT 2: Okay Tifabelle gave me Vincent's line there, it's "Am I on the verge of committing another sin...?" |
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| Shiva | Jan 9 2011, 09:19 PM Post #48 |
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Okay, thanks a bunch, Quex!
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| Vanelo | Jan 10 2011, 12:34 AM Post #49 |
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Ok, this is totally random, and may have already been mentioned before, but I just noticed something about the CG cards. Each character is shown in a place that is vitally important to them... maybe even their most important place. Barret is shown in Aeris' church with his daughter, the two of them possibly paying their respects to her for protecting Marlene. Tifa is shown at the well in Nibelheim for obvious reasons. Red XIII is shown in Cosmo Canyon next to his father Seto. Cait Sith is shown in Gold Saucer where he first meets the party and later reveals his true intentions. Vincent is shown atop the Shinra Mansion in Nibelheim where he slept for years and where much happened between him, Lucretia, and Hojo. Yuffie is shown on top of the nearby mountain in Wutai, her hometown. Cid is sitting on his Tiny Bronco near the rocket he dedicated his life and career to. **** OK, we've firmly established that each picture represents something very dear to each character. So where are Cloud and Aeris? Cloud is striking that famous "armed and ready" pose in front of the Shinra Building. Y'know, where he's about to run in and rescue Aeris. Not the Nibelheim reactor where he (sorta) rescued Tifa and fought Sephiroth. Not Seventh Heaven where he became a mercenary and member of Avalanche and the game started. Nope. His most important place is right before rescuing Aeris. Kind of odd, don't you think? I mean Shinra HQ... that's usually associated with Rufus or the other Shinra villains, and certainly never the heroes... right? Aeris' picture the only one we never see any equivalent of in game... she's standing in front of the Highwind, wanting to ride on it. Now that's odd isn't it? You'd think maybe her home, flower garden, or church, or maybe the City of the Ancients would be more appropriate, especially since the Highwind is usually associated with Cid, and those aforementioned places are more readily identifiable with her. But no, she's standing in front of the Highwind. However, if you remember one little bit of dialogue from early in the game, suddenly things take on a very surprising twist. At one point, when Cloud and co. are stowing away on a Shinra vessel, Aeris asks Cloud if he will take her on the Highwind someday, and if you answer yes, she responds in a very happy, romantic manner. If not for this one line in an entire game that is filled with more text than many entire novels, we would have no clue the airship means diddly squat to her. You realize what this means? It means the most important place to her, the one place the developers was so vital that it had to be the defining image for her character... was a place that symbolizes her love for Cloud. And likewise for Cloud... again, his picture, his defining picture, the picture they used on the COVER OF THE GAME FFS, is symbolic of his love for Aeris. His, like Aeris', is ALSO very easy to miss. He only strikes this pose once in the entire game, and it is immediately before he enters Shinra HQ to rescue Aeris. You can see proof of this here. Skip to 6:54. Don't you think it's odd? The rest of the characters have very easily identifiable places used for their respective pictures. Why make exceptions for Cloud and Aeris, and especially why make theirs both extremely easy to miss and subtle references? I think the answer should be obvious ![]() Clearly, a picture really can be worth a thousand words. |
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| Shiva | Jan 10 2011, 11:48 PM Post #50 |
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Wow, that's amazing, Vanelo! :o I never even paid attention to where the characters were all standing! I think you might have something there!
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| Quexinos | Jan 11 2011, 02:42 AM Post #51 |
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Okay, Shiva you wanted to know if there was any Cloti on the cards, right? Well I'm not 100% on this, but I think Tifa's card talks about her and Cloud's future if translated right but it sounds funny so I'm not sure it IS right. When I posted it here I kinda took the non Cloti route as not to be labeled as bias if I was wrong, but I was told I was right the first time so Also I'm not doing this to debate, I'm just showing you so that you can address it on your site if you want.
In this statement: クラウドの持つ内面的なトラウマを解きほぐしていく... 解きほぐして - that whole thing is the unravel part of the verb (which can also mean to relax someone). It ends in て which is te. And the next part is いく which is iku. When a verb ends in its te forum and iku follows it takes off from the present or another point in time and goes into the future. (SOURCE) In other words, her complicated feelings that exceed childhood friendship not only helped Cloud in the lifestream but also go into the future and unravel his trauma there. I'm just not sure how to word it because it sounds weird now because I think it's talking specifically about the Lifestream event but saying it'll go beyond that ... Anyway I'll double check, but that's a "Cloti" ish thing I noticed. |
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| Shiva | Jan 11 2011, 03:24 AM Post #52 |
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Thanks for the info, Quex! Maybe it's just me, but I really don't see anything CloTi about it. To me, it is speaking of Tifa's feelings for Cloud and how she will continue to support him. I don't see anything there to indicate what feelings Cloud has for Tifa. |
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| Vanelo | Jan 11 2011, 05:26 AM Post #53 |
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Ever heard the phrase "More than friends, less than lovers?" I'd say that applies here. Cloud and Tifa have a very complicated past, but then so do Cloud and Sephiroth. Doesn't make them lovers ![]() Also... Shiva, I mean this in the most respectful possible way... but your signature is... to put it mildly... VERY creepy @_@ |
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| Quexinos | Jan 11 2011, 05:34 AM Post #54 |
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Well it makes her "more than childhood friends" feelings important to him is I think what most Clotis think. But it's true it doesn't say anything about his feelings specifically but I'm sure you can see how some might see it as Cloti. There is a card about the Lifestream Event too but I wasn't able to get a hold of it ![]() But I did get Barret and Cait Sith so I'll try to get translations for them when they come.
You and me need to start a petition to get her to remove it
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| Shiva | Jan 11 2011, 03:07 PM Post #55 |
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Okay, sounds great! Thank you!
Look into its eyes... look into its eyes... look into its eyes.... It's not just creepy, it's FRICKIN' creepy! But, it cracks me up thinking of Pedo-Ewok. :lol: Don't worry, I have plans to take it down soon.
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| FeraNelia | Jan 11 2011, 04:30 PM Post #56 |
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I've always thought Cloud's picture is symbolising his rivality with Shinra. Or the whole conflict with them through the game. Altough Cloud wasn't interested in saving the world at the beginning, and Sephiroth is his main enemy, fighting against Shinra is a big part of the plot. In my eyes, the picture is more about Cloud standing against Shrina, about his past with them, as an ex-SOLDIER. Of course Cloud never was one, but we didn't know that back then, before it was revealed in the game. Cloud is strongly linked to Shinra. Of course saving Aeris is really important to Cloud, and the picture might be symbolising it, but I just have hard time believing it. I just think it's more about Cloud's conflict with Shinra. About Aeris... Her picture can be linked to Cloud pretty easily, since he promised to take her to the air ship someday. Of course you could say it's more about her wish to see the sky someday, but that whole"sky" thing is something that just came up in CC, not in the original game if I remember right ;)
Count me in ;D One knows how many nightmares I've already seen, filled with nasty Pedo-Ewoks... D8 |
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| Anastar | Jan 12 2011, 10:20 PM Post #57 |
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I have to agree, Shiva. I see nothing Cloti about it. After all, it's talking about Tifa's feelings for Cloud, not vice versa. Also, I find it interesting that her continued feelings for Cloud are described as "complicated". If you ask me, "complicated" isn't a good word to use if you want to suggest feelings of love. :lol:
Where does the card say anything about Tifa's feelings being important to Cloud? That's nothing but pure assumption. So no, I can't see how anyone can view it as Cloti unless they're just seeing what they want to see. I also find another part of the description interesting: Tifa keeps her mouth shut tight. As a member of AVALANCHE she was reunited with Cloud. She holds doubts about his transformation after the Nibelhiem incident 5 years ago. Her complicated feelings for Cloud that exceeded childhood friendship will keep unraveling the internal trauma Cloud possesses. That was also a journey into her own past... Is that "journey into her own past" referring to the Lifestream event? If so, it's suggesting that the Lifestream event is about an internal trauma that's going on in Cloud. The internal trauma going on in Cloud is his own identity. That has to do with Tifa's past because she's able to identify him. Also notice that it *doesn't* say "a journey into Cloud and Tifa's past". Instead, it's just a journey into her own past.
Very honestly, I've always seen that card as symbolizing Cloud's rivalry with Shinra, too. But why would SE depict Cloud's rivalry against Shinra rather than his rivalry against Sephiroth? I mean, the main thing that Cloud does against Shinra during the game is rescue Aerith. Yes, he helped bomb two of their reactors, fights Rufus, and deceives Shinra in Junon, but largely his "battle" with Shinra during the game is background. Cloud even gets along with the Turks in Wutai, and he helps stop Diamond Weapon when it attacks Midgar.And let's not forget his cooperation with the Turks in AC/ACC. So who is *really* Cloud's main rival? So I *do* think Vanelo brings up a very interesting point - that the only time you see Cloud strike that pose at the Shinra building is when he's ready to go in and rescue Aerith. I also think Vanelo's point about Cloud not being shown in front of the Seventh Heaven or anything to do with Tifa is interesting, too. Also, the only connection I can see between Aerith and the Highwind is Cloud's promise to take her on it one day. I also think it's interesting that *Aerith* is shown with the Highwind instead of Tifa, since Cloti's like to interpret the Highwind scene as showing a fulfillment of Cloti love. So it's almost like a slap in their face, if you ask me. :loll: |
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| Quexinos | Jan 13 2011, 05:18 AM Post #58 |
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It doesn't SAY that but my assumption was that if her feelings are unraveling his internal trauma, that's probably important to him. Or at least helpful Like Shiva said, it just shows she supports him and will continue to do so in the future. Clotis will consider a quote about Cloud and Tifa's future a Clotish quote.
Yeah it's talking about the Lifestream event. That's the only time she went into the past anyway. |
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| Vanelo | Jan 13 2011, 06:40 AM Post #59 |
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Why thank you ![]() Ironically, I wasn't even trying to single Tifa out... that just sorta happened on its own, which I hope speaks volumes I just meant that they didn't show Cloud next to any location that was readily apparent and important to his character... unless one knows that Aeris is extremely important to him. They didn't show him in Nibelheim, or anyplace else strongly associated with himself... OR Tifa. They showed him in front of a place he'd never been before until that point (something Cloud himself points out very shortly after the famous pose when Barret asks him if he knows anything about the building's layout), using a VERY specific animation pose that is only used once in the entire 30+ hour long game, when he is utterly determined to rescue Aeris. There is simply no way to mistake this, it's far too specific in nature. |
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| Difinity | Jan 13 2011, 08:45 AM Post #60 |
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I'm in the group that believed Cloud's picture symbolized his rivalry with ShinRa and nothing more but I have to admit I am giddy with excitement with your discover. I have never noticed Cloud's pose before. I always wondered why during that sequence his sword suddenly appears. Now it all seems too apparent. I could go with either interpretation though.
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Thanks a bunch, Quex!
And would it be okay to change the name "Siera" to "Shera" (since that is how it was spelled in the game)?




8:16 AM Jul 11