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Another High Wind Thread *_*
Topic Started: Jul 2 2010, 09:46 PM (1,064 Views)
Jon Snow
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I just want to know, is there any specific quote stating which HW scene is default? Like how Aerith's date is the default date.

Just wanting to know. ^_^

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No, there's not.

Cloti's *claim* that there's indications that there's a default version, but in reality, it's never been stated.

For example, in the 20th Anniversary Ultimania, there's a section where the script of the game is shown. For the Highwind scene, *only* the High Affection version is shown. For the Date scene and other optional scenes, all versions are shown. Since only the High Affection version is shown, Cloti's claim that means the High Affection version is default.
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Jul 2 2010, 06:33 PM
No, there's not.

Cloti's *claim* that there's indications that there's a default version, but in reality, it's never been stated.

For example, in the 20th Anniversary Ultimania, there's a section where the script of the game is shown. For the Highwind scene, *only* the High Affection version is shown. For the Date scene and other optional scenes, all versions are shown. Since only the High Affection version is shown, Cloti's claim that means the High Affection version is default.

Ahh, I see. But there's nothing that says HA of the HW scene is default? Great. :lmao:
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Like how Aerith's date is the default date.

Wait.. what?
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Jul 3 2010, 04:56 AM
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Like how Aerith's date is the default date.

Wait.. what?

Yes, Aerith's date is default. SE stated that if you play Disk One normally, you'll get Aerith's date.

In Aerith’s case, if you play the game normally, the partner that generally comes will be Aerith. ~FFVII Dismantled

I don't see a page number, but the translation and a scan of the page are here: FFVII Dismantled Translations

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Ahh, I see. But there's nothing that says HA of the HW scene is default?

Nope. There's no actual statement saying that.
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Oh that one, I forgot about that.... although I always feel weird when I see "play the game normally..." it makes me feel abnormal because I can get Yuffie's date so easily these days.
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Jul 3 2010, 09:28 AM
Quexinos
Jul 3 2010, 04:56 AM
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Like how Aerith's date is the default date.

Wait.. what?

Yes, Aerith's date is default. SE stated that if you play Disk One normally, you'll get Aerith's date.

In Aerith’s case, if you play the game normally, the partner that generally comes will be Aerith. ~FFVII Dismantled

I don't see a page number, but the translation and a scan of the page are here: FFVII Dismantled Translations

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Ahh, I see. But there's nothing that says HA of the HW scene is default?

Nope. There's no actual statement saying that.

Thanks so much for posting that Aly. Q, there's lots more that prove she's default, too. ;)

Not sure if I can do this, but, can I ask if Q knows a quote that proves which HW scene is default? After all, she is a Cloud/Tifa supporter and she should know. C:
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You know I wrote up a long post about that on another forum, I'll send it to you, okay? I won't post it though for obvious reasons :P
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Not sure if I can do this, but, can I ask if Q knows a quote that proves which HW scene is default? After all, she is a Cloud/Tifa supporter and she should know. C:

I'd like to hear a simple "yes" or "no" and see the quote if she thinks there is such a quote. As far as I know, there is no such quote.

We're not talking about what Cloti people think *indicates* or *suggests* that the HA scene is default. We want to know if SE has actually stated it, like they have for the Clerith Date scene.

What we *don't* want to see here is Cloti defended, people arguing in favor of it, and people arguing against Clerith. Citing a source isn't really the same thing. :P
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Jul 5 2010, 01:39 PM
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Not sure if I can do this, but, can I ask if Q knows a quote that proves which HW scene is default? After all, she is a Cloud/Tifa supporter and she should know. C:

I'd like to hear a simple "yes" or "no" and see the quote if she thinks there is such a quote. As far as I know, there is no such quote.

We're not talking about what Cloti people think *indicates* or *suggests* that the HA scene is default. We want to know if SE has actually stated it, like they have for the Clerith Date scene.

What we *don't* want to see here is Cloti defended, people arguing in favor of it, and people arguing against Clerith. Citing a source isn't really the same thing. :P

Well, she PMed me and I'll just tell you the gist of it.

She said that no, there isn't an exact quote that says it but since all that's ever used is quotes from the *high affection* HW scene they think *that* indicates that the default version *is* the high affection one. I'm not too sure where I stand with it, though.

For me, it's not good enough. But, whatever.

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She said that no, there isn't an exact quote that says it but since all that's ever used is quotes from the *high affection* HW scene they think *that* indicates that the default version *is* the high affection one. I'm not too sure where I stand with it, though.

That's ... yeah... not what I said ...

maybe I phrased it wrong, so Anastar ,and the others, lemme ask you this really quick.

If in the next Ultimania in Cloud's profile it said, "Cloud and Aerith went on a date at the Gold Saucer." Would you consider that canon?
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Jul 5 2010, 04:05 PM
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She said that no, there isn't an exact quote that says it but since all that's ever used is quotes from the *high affection* HW scene they think *that* indicates that the default version *is* the high affection one. I'm not too sure where I stand with it, though.

That's ... yeah... not what I said ...

maybe I phrased it wrong, so Anastar ,and the others, lemme ask you this really quick.

If in the next Ultimania in Cloud's profile it said, "Cloud and Aerith went on a date at the Gold Saucer." Would you consider that canon?

Well, you seemed to explain it that way; I'll post your PM it doesn't really say anything pro cloti so;
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anyway about your Highwind question... Nojima said the low affection scene is "apathetic and ends short" and that only the High Affection scene has meaning. I agree with this.  Apathetic means having little or no feeling.  So basically, whatever "feelings" were shared, are ONLY shared in the high affection version. This is what Nojima is telling us.  Even feelings of friendship or feelings of support could NOT be shared in the low affection version because nothing happens in that one.  It's apathetic and ends short.    Then we have these:

"Declares that the team should dissolve in the final hours before the final battle, and communicates his feelings together with Tifa, who remains behind at the airship with him." (FFVIIUO, pg. 15)

"When Cloud proposes that the group separates temporarily, she remains behind at the airship and communicates her feelings together with Cloud. " (FFVIIUO, pg. 27)

"When their companions disperse to the places where people important to them await, Cloud and Tifa are the only two to remain behind. They reveal their mutual feelings in their final hours, and......." (FFVIIUO, pg. 198)

"She communicates her feelings together with Cloud in the final stages of the story, and in AC and DC they live together." (CCU, pg. 33)

"Cloud and Tifa, who remain, reveal their feelings for each other and confirm them to match." (FFVII 10th AU, pg. 118; pg. 120 in the Revised Edition)

"And when Cloud and Tifa remain behind alone, in their final hours, they disclose that their feelings for each other match."
(U20 Scenario, pg. 232; main body of story summary)

None of these quotes say "If this" or "IF THAT" they just say, "This is what happened, period." In other words, Square is telling us that no matter what scene the player may have gotten, feelings were shared between Cloud and Tifa that night. Based on the low affection scene being "apathetic" and without meaning, this has to mean the high affection version is canon.

Think of how Vincent and Yuffie are optional, but we know for a fact that they joined the team because they are shown in ACC and DoC and what not. The highwind scene ALSO has a canon outcome. 

Does that make sense?  :unsure:


You basically said that.
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Jul 5 2010, 08:05 PM
If in the next Ultimania in Cloud's profile it said, "Cloud and Aerith went on a date at the Gold Saucer."  Would you consider that canon?

No, because I'd know that Cloud could still go out with Barret, Yuffie, or Tifa. I've yet to see anything about the HW scene saying that they expressed their love to one another, either. I've seen it said that they can express their feelings to each other, but not what feelings. I've also seen that their feelings match, but that could mean that they've decided it's best to be friends.

The closest thing to saying that they expressed their love for one another is the thing Cloti's were crowing about here: The LT Debate Is Over, since it says "For the one I love..." at the top of the page.

However, what detracts from that is the FACT that there's a page link provided at the top of the HW scene picture where it says there's two optional versions of the scene. It was already stated in the FFVII UO that only one of those versions is meaningful, and that one version is "apathetic". Therefore, it is only *possible* for them to agree that their feelings match. Since there are two optional versions, and one version is apathetic, then it's also possible for them to NOT confirm their feelings for one another.

Sorry, but nothing's been proven as canon and it's time Lifestream.net retracted their claim that Cloti's canon. That's completely false.
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Jul 5 2010, 07:02 PM
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Jul 5 2010, 08:05 PM
If in the next Ultimania in Cloud's profile it said, "Cloud and Aerith went on a date at the Gold Saucer."  Would you consider that canon?

No, because I'd know that Cloud could still go out with Barret, Yuffie, or Tifa. I've yet to see anything about the HW scene saying that they expressed their love to one another, either. I've seen it said that they can express their feelings to each other, but not what feelings. I've also seen that their feelings match, but that could mean that they've decided it's best to be friends.

The closest thing to saying that they expressed their love for one another is the thing Cloti's were crowing about here: The LT Debate Is Over, since it says "For the one I love..." at the top of the page.

However, what detracts from that is the FACT that there's a page link provided at the top of the HW scene picture where it says there's two optional versions of the scene. It was already stated in the FFVII UO that only one of those versions is meaningful, and that one version is "apathetic". Therefore, it is only *possible* for them to agree that their feelings match. Since there are two optional versions, and one version is apathetic, then it's also possible for them to NOT confirm their feelings for one another.

Sorry, but nothing's been proven as canon and it's time Lifestream.net retracted their claim that Cloti's canon. That's completely false.

Really? I didn't know that! So that same page they claim canonized Cloti literally pointed the reader to a page that clearly states there are two optional scenes?

Quick question, does it do the same for the date? :unsure:
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No, because I'd know that Cloud could still go out with Barret, Yuffie, or Tifa.

Well good then, I can see why you don't see why those other quotes make the HA version canon then. See honestly, if I saw something like that in Cloud's profile, I'd consider Aerith's date canon, but TBH I already do consider that canon.

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It was already stated in the FFVII UO that only one of those versions is meaningful, and that one version is "apathetic". Therefore, it is only *possible* for them to agree that their feelings match. Since there are two optional versions, and one version is apathetic, then it's also possible for them to NOT confirm their feelings for one another.

Do you mean that they may have shared feelings in the low affection version as well? Just not matching ones? Sorry if I'm bugging you, I'm just trying to understand your argument :unsure:

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Quick question, does it do the same for the date?

Yes it talks about all 4 date scenes.

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Sorry, but nothing's been proven as canon and it's time Lifestream.net retracted their claim that Cloti's canon.

They may have been a bit harsh with their article but asking them to retract something they believe so strongly in is the same as asking you to remove something from your site. And I mean hardly anyone cares about it anymore anyway. It'd probably just stir up trouble again at this point.

Besides, you and I both know it's not going to happen, but maybe an article at least addressing what's on the other page or an extension of the current one discussing that quote... that might at least even things out a bit.

hint hint
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