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Should the end the FFVII Compilation?
No. No way. No-how. Uh-uh. 5 (15.2%)
Yes. Drop the thing & don't add anymore sequels to FFVII 15 (45.5%)
There should be one more game that wraps everything up 13 (39.4%)
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Should They End The Ffvii Compilation?
Topic Started: Mar 21 2009, 02:37 PM (1,204 Views)
Alan Bates
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So, thoughts? Opinions?
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Anastar
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I have mixed feelings about this. In the first place, SE hasn't dealt with certain aspects of the Compilation that I would've loved to see - such as the original confrontation between Jenova and the Ancients. That makes me want to see more.

On the other hand, many of those who've played CC and DoC seem very disappointed in those games. There's people who feel that Vincent wasn't represented well in DoC, and others who feel that Aerith and Zack's relationship wasn't portrayed in CC the same way it was portrayed in FFVII. In addition, I've heard people complain about added characters like Genesis, who do nothing but confuse the plot.

If there are indeed contradictions, then I say end it. I have trouble with people thinking that the original game is over-ridden by subsequent games. In fact, from reading the script of CC, I see no contradictions with the original game. It seems clear to me that Aerith had indeed decided not to wait any longer for Zack, as shown by her letter near the end of the game. That isn't a contradiction to the original game. Yet, there's people who want to see it differently.

Plus, it seems to me that SE is really milking the Compilation for all it's worth. <_< So far, I've seen little or nothing in the ACC promos that make me want to buy it. Why didn't they just show us additional stuff in the original AC instead of releasing it again so we have to spend more money? It's all coming across as an attempt to get us to spend more $, IMO. <_<
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Vixie
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Yes they should. At this rate FFVII is going to be carried by characters who weren't even in the original, or appeared in about 2 scenes. Every character has become a main character and I'm tired of the contrived, recycled plots, retcons and fanservice. Advent Children was passable I guess, the rest was just too much. The only thing I would actually be interested in learning more about is the history of Jenova and the Ancients as Aly said. I think it would be better done as a novel than a game however.

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If there are indeed contradictions, then I say end it. I have trouble with people thinking that the original game is over-ridden by subsequent games. In fact, from reading the script of CC, I see no contradictions with the original game.

There are contradictions in CC. Genesis showing up in Nibelheim, Sephiroth no longer being the ultimate Soldier, and Aerith knowing Zack died are just the main ones. Those developments alter the original. Some other stuff isn't exactly contradictory....just a little fanfiction esque. A lot of people appear to be under the impression that FFVII is inadequate/obsolete now.
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Anastar
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Vixie
 
There are contradictions in CC. Genesis showing up in Nibelheim, Sephiroth no longer being the ultimate Soldier, and Aerith knowing Zack died are just the main ones. Those developments alter the original. Some other stuff isn't exactly contradictory....just a little fanfiction esque. A lot of people appear to be under the impression that FFVII is inadequate/obsolete now.

I guess I try to see events in the context of the original game. For example, when Zack dies in CC, we see the distraught look on Aerith's face in the Church.

Some people say, okay - she must have known that Zack died after all! I see that scene and say - okay, Aerith can't know that Zack died, coz it told us so in the original game. What other reason is there for the look on her face?

So I just try seeing things in the context of the original game. To me, that's the way new info should be interpreted, since the original can't be changed.

I guess others think it's okay to change the original, but I have a hard time doing that.
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Angelalex242
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Genesis is NOTHING compared to Seph. Don't worry about Seph losing his number 1 villain slot. He won't. You're not likely to see Genesis, say, in a KH game. It just ain't happening.
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Alantie
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With the way circumstances are now, I say they should wrap the compilation up before they screw things up. Unless they wow with ACC and whatever new game they have in store, I honestly don't want them screwing with FFVII anymore. It's more that they are focusing on the wrong things to make spin off games, you know?

I didn't feel CC was at ALL necissary- the original FFVII game painted a perfectly clear picture of the events that happened in the past. There was no need to go into more detail. Was it a way to suck more money out of us? Sure. Was it a fabulous game? No, but it wasn't complete trash either. Genesis was quite pathetic in comparison to Sephiroth, and Zack was overly influential, but still a decent character.

As for Aerith knowing that Zack died and contradicting the original game, no, I don't think that's the case. Does Aerith sense that something happened? Sure she does, but there's also a look of confusion there, as if she doesn't really understand what it is she's sensing, what exactly is happening. So I don't believe that this contradicts the game at all.

It did make me mad though that Genesis appeared in Nibelheim. That was retarded, IMO. It added nothing to the original story- it was just a way to incorpret Genesis into things more.

And Alex is right- Genesis is in no way taking Sephy's place. He does not have anywhere near the impact on players that Sephy did. Really, as it was in the game, Genesis is always going to be lesser than Sephiroth.
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Anastar
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Alantie
 
And Alex is right- Genesis is in no way taking Sephy's place. He does not have anywhere near the impact on players that Sephy did. Really, as it was in the game, Genesis is always going to be lesser than Sephiroth.

As I understood it, the Jenova cells used in Genesis were inferior to those used in Sephiroth because the ones used in Genesis can deteriorate. So my understanding was that Sephy was actually an "improved version" of Genesis. :unsure:

As far as Genesis being part of the Nibelheim incident, my impression is that this wasn't generally known by the public, was it? :unsure: It was more of an "insiders" look at the incident from the Shinra POV, so it didn't really affect what happened between Cloud and Sephy in the reactor. In other words, it wasn't anything we needed to know about in VII in order to appreciate what happened between Cloud and Sephiroth in the reactor.

As for Aerith sensing Zack's death... as far as I know, it was never stated that's what her reaction meant, was it? :unsure: So really, it was left up to interpretation. It's possible to think she's sensing his death, but it could also be that she was simply sensing a "disturbance in the force" - for lack of a better term. In typical fashion, SE leaves it up to us to decide.
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Alan Bates
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As far as Genesis being part of the Nibelheim incident, my impression is that this wasn't generally known by the public, was it? unsure.gif It was more of an "insiders" look at the incident from the Shinra POV, so it didn't really affect what happened between Cloud and Sephy in the reactor. In other words, it wasn't anything we needed to know about in VII in order to appreciate what happened between Cloud and Sephiroth in the reactor.

My impression is that he got tacked onto that scene in the hopes that it would make the character feel more important to gamers.

It didn't work.
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Alantie
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Aly
 
As I understood it, the Jenova cells used in Genesis were inferior to those used in Sephiroth because the ones used in Genesis can deteriorate. So my understanding was that Sephy was actually an "improved version" of Genesis.


From what the game says, it seems that the cells used for Genesis and Angeal weren't pure in form- so essentially, yes, they were inferior. I'm also thinking the process was somewhat different between Sephiroth's birth and Genesis' so that might also have something to do with it as well.

Anyway, it's made perfectly clear that Genesis knows he's considered inferior to Sephiroth, and he loathes it. He wants the fame and glory that Sephiroth has- he wants to be number one.

Aly
 
As far as Genesis being part of the Nibelheim incident, my impression is that this wasn't generally known by the public, was it?  It was more of an "insiders" look at the incident from the Shinra POV, so it didn't really affect what happened between Cloud and Sephy in the reactor. In other words, it wasn't anything we needed to know about in VII in order to appreciate what happened between Cloud and Sephiroth in the reactor.


Well, in CC, Shinra declares Genesis dead to the public. So essentially, it does explain why there is no mention of him in FFVII. They covered themselves nicely with that one. But I'm kinda of the opinion that Alan is- they put Genesis into the reactor scene in an attempt to incorperate him into the story more fully. *shrugs*

Aly
 
As for Aerith sensing Zack's death... as far as I know, it was never stated that's what her reaction meant, was it?  So really, it was left up to interpretation. It's possible to think she's sensing his death, but it could also be that she was simply sensing a "disturbance in the force" - for lack of a better term. In typical fashion, SE leaves it up to us to decide.


It never is stated what her reaction meant. ^^ All we know is she senses something- it's never been stated if she really understands what it is she's sensing or if she knows for certain that Zack died.
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Vixie
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As I understood it, the Jenova cells used in Genesis were inferior to those used in Sephiroth because the ones used in Genesis can deteriorate. So my understanding was that Sephy was actually an "improved version" of Genesis.

I knew about the cell stuff, and that Genesis was supposedly incomplete, but some of the translations of the CC Ultimanias that I've read state that Genesis and Sephiroth were "equals"

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My impression is that he got tacked onto that scene in the hopes that it would make the character feel more important to gamers.  It didn't work

Agreed, exactly what I felt when I played it. We saw that scene in it's entirety in FFVII, he was blatantly shoehorned in at a critical moment. It didn't even make any sense, so this character that SE have hyped up to be the mastermind who was in fact controlling Jenova in FFVII was so easily convinced by another? They tried to make Genesis seem important to justify another possible spin off IMO, and that would be so much fail. I want the compilation to end before that.
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Vanelo
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I'd be quite happy if they either:

1. Just stopped the entire compilation and decided they were all non-canon

or

2. Made one last compilation game where Cloud wakes up and realizes the compilation games (and movie) were all a dream.

Yeah, I realize that's not particularly deep or anything, but it's late here, and this sums up my feelings quite well, so yah :sweat:
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Wintercream
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I think there should be one more game that warps everything up and call it a day.
I don't like series that drag on forever and have no ending becuase it eventually gets old and tiring to keep following it.

I think they should make one more game for the ending and re-make ffvii for the PS3 >>
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MissCloud
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Perhaps after re-making Final Fantasy VII, yes, they should. :P Otherwise next, I can see them making a game where you're controlling a cetra 2000 years before FFVII, fighting off Jenova o_o
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MistaCloudStrife
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I would love an FFVII remake to end the entire compilation, but I'm scared of them retconning in the newly introduced characters from each game of the compilation. And there are a lot of them when you think about it. >_>;;
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Anastar
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If you see the interview in this thread: Nomura Interview Translated, Nomura says that the Compilation of FFVII is ending with ACC - at least for now:

“In regards to FF7AC, we’ve done everything they can do.”

“The Compilation of FFVII has come to a stop with ACC."
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