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| Creation Materials - Cloud Scars Tifa? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 17 2009, 06:48 PM (881 Views) | |
| Drake Clawfang | Mar 17 2009, 06:48 PM Post #1 |
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http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-vii...ltimania-omega/ "An ordinary woman. Her personality is rather cheerful. Martial artist. Born in Nivelheim. The like-minded people who gathered in her bar formed AVALANCHE. Tifa is also a member of AVALANCHE herself, but isn’t taking part in the current missions. She is more the type to cheer everyone up and support from behind-the-scenes. An old acquaintance of Cloud’s, it seems she likes him but she won’t show it. On her back is a large scar she got from Cloud. Due to the shock of receiving that injury she lost her memories from around that time." ....what exactly was the original sequence of events of the game? I would imagine this was meant to happen during the Nibelheim Incident, and that would have certainly added an interesting twist, Tifa thinking she got the scar from Sephiroth and finding out the truth during the "Cloud in the Lifestream" incident. |
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| Anastar | Mar 17 2009, 08:10 PM Post #2 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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I would guess that they're talking about Tifa's fall from the bridge in the mountains. Since Cloud was blamed for letting her fall, the scar would be attributed to his failure to protect her. The bit about the "shock of receiving that injury" resulting in Tifa losing her memories of that time would coincide with the coma she was in, and not remembering that Cloud got blamed for it. |
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| Drake Clawfang | Mar 17 2009, 10:42 PM Post #3 |
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Found something else VERY interesting - actual evidence for Aeriseph! "Aerith had an unrequited love once. Because he always bought flowers from her, she soon found herself taking a liking to him. Aerith speaks about these many memories. Cloud tries comparing her memories with Sephiroth’s actions, and starts to feel certain that Aerith’s unrequited love is Sephiroth. On their journey when situations occur that look like Aerith will realize that Sephiroth was that man, Cloud tries to keep from spoiling her image of him, as he ends up hiding it or trying to follow up afterwords." Cloud: “Want to rest a bit?” Aerith: “Yeah.” Cloud: “So why are you being so nice to me, anyway?” Aerith: “You bought a flower, didn’t you? I’ve been selling flowers for a long time now… but they’re not exactly in demand. I guess people just don’t have the time to enjoy flowers in this world.” Cloud: “That’s it?” Aerith: “I like men who buy flowers from me. That’s how I met the first man I feel in love with.” Cloud: “Your first love…?” Aerith: “No, nothing like that. But I adored him. He always used to buy a flower every time he saw me. When you bought one, it just sort of reminded me of that. Ah, but forget about it. That’s all in the past now. Come on, let’s go.” ------ Apparently, other cut ideas included Ilfana's DNA being used for SOLDIER and Sephy instead of Jenova, and him and Aerith being siblings. Wow.... |
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| Vixie | Mar 18 2009, 12:01 AM Post #4 |
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Whoa! I've never heard that before! In some ways I wish this had stayed in the storyline, it would have made it that much deeper.....and I prefer Sephiroth x Aerith to Zerith. :lol: I understand why they removed it though, Aerith having feelings for 2 main heroes and the villain would be verging on the ridiculous lol. |
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| Clerith-fanboi | Mar 18 2009, 01:27 AM Post #5 |
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I remember seeing stuff like that, something about Aerith's original first love being Sephy. Don't remember where I saw it, maybe it was something from there. |
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| Drake Clawfang | Mar 18 2009, 02:54 AM Post #6 |
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I'm actually wondering where "Zack" was at this point in development. Maybe once they abandoned Sephiroth for this subplot, Zack was created to fill the role? Aerith's relationship with Zack and this planned story for her and Sephy sound quite similar. |
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| Kuraudo | Mar 18 2009, 03:08 AM Post #7 |
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Woahhh... I thought I was going to freak out when I entered this thread, but now I see that this is all stuff that wasn't included in the game, only the very early stages, so I'm fine. :lol: Really, if Aerith had feelings for Sephiroth as well during the game, that would be just ick. I think there's also a part in there concerning Barret, where the creators actually planned for Marlene to be his daughter instead of Dyne's... I can't say I'd like that scenario as much what we were shown in the game. I think their relationship is sweet the way it is, with Barret being her adoptive father, whom she views as her real father. |
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| Drake Clawfang | Mar 18 2009, 03:26 AM Post #8 |
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Yeah, that's in the guide too, but otherwise Barret's backstory from drawing board to disk drive hasn't changed much. Apparently Dyne had other names at times including Duel and Vicks, too, and the Shinra exec who destroyed Coral was either Heidegger or Reeve before it became Scarlet. |
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| Anastar | Mar 18 2009, 11:45 AM Post #9 |
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I remember reading something about Zack being a very late development in the story. Can't remember where I read that, though. I've always wondered about this Amano pic of Aerith and Sephiroth: ![]() and whether it was supposed to show that Sephiroth was a past love of Aerith's. That would make sense, given that Sephiroth originally thought himself to be Cetra. I could also easily see the original LT existing between Cloud, Sephiroth, and Aerith. EDIT: The Lifestream.net has translated the early creation files for Aerith, Red XIII, and Cait Sith. The speculation about Sephiroth being Aerith's first love is brought up again, but they also suggest that Sephy and Aerith may have been brother and sister.
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| Alan Bates | Mar 18 2009, 08:34 PM Post #10 |
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I've heard that one quite a few times, but this is the first I've heard of Aeris actually having a thing for Sephiroth. |
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| Pyra Kurai Akaidra | Mar 18 2009, 09:49 PM Post #11 |
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Hm, pretty sure I heard about both the siblings and past love thing about Sephiroth before. Even though Sephiroth might've been related to her at one point before being scrapped, it might be interesting (and jarring to some people), as in that scenario, he and Aerith both shared the same 'mother', genetic-wise. If that, as well as being Aerith's past love was together... well, at least SE isn't CLAMP-like. |
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| Drake Clawfang | Mar 20 2009, 02:50 AM Post #12 |
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http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-vii...ltimania-omega/ New stuff about the Nibelheim Incident, including a cut scene where Tifa tells Aerith what really happened and Aerith agrees not to tell Cloud! This new material also puts a new spin on the scene where Cloud leaves town. Excerpt from Tifa's diary which was cut: "I wonder if Wel, Dan, Meiday, and the other boys who left the village are doing alright? All the boys left for the city. They all called me out to the water tower. They all said the same things. Ah, except for Cloud. He said something about joining SOLDIER? I wonder how long he’s been thinking about that. He was always pretty distant from everyone else, but still bothered about everyone else. To be frank, he was kind of a strange kid. Always getting into fights. It wasn’t like he was fighting because he was angry, more like he was testing something. What was he trying to test? His own strength?" |
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| Asuka | Mar 20 2009, 07:30 AM Post #13 |
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I actually kind of like that idea of Aerith having a love of Sephy xD It would've been interesting to see how that all turned out. Even the sibling thing and using Ifalnas DNA would've been good. *sighs* now why couldn't they have done something like that as a 'what if' scenario kind of thing instead of making a whole bunch of stupid prequels *cough* CC*cough* |
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| Vanelo | Mar 20 2009, 08:30 AM Post #14 |
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AGREED!! I actually liked Dirge of Cerberus, but I would've taken the whole brother or lover scenario over any of the other compilation stuff. That said, I think I know why they scrapped both ideas... if Sephiroth were related to Aeris, or a failed love interest, or had any notable story connection to her, it would've made the (in)famous end-of-disc-1 scene easier to spot before it happened. I.e. the had a history, so naturally Aeris would be his most obvious target other than Cloud. However, assuming they could still find a way to pull that scene off and have the same impact, I think that would've made for a much more interesting backstory than adding Zack into the mix. It's a bit cliche having a love triangle between the hero, heroine, and villain, but it still would've been fascinating in this story's case. Come to think of it, it also seems like this idea actually was used later in FFVIII with Squall, Rinoa, and Seifer, and in FFX with Tidus, Yuna, and Seymour. Those cases don't seem quite as interesting, but I guess we'll never know (though I love both of those games a ton, don't get me wrong). |
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| Anastar | Mar 20 2009, 07:46 PM Post #15 |
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Hmmm... that was already translated at ACF. It's in a thread here about the FFVII Ultimania Omega Translations. In those translations, though, ACF never said that it had been cut from Tifa's diary. Instead, ACF made it sound like additional material - somewhat like the scenarios done for FFVII Dismantled. At least, that was my impression of it. The bit about Tifa telling Aerith what really happened at Nibelheim is very interesting. And Tifa was wearing the photo of she and Zack in a locket?!? :o OMG, why would she do that? Boy, they'd love to hear about that at the ZackxTifa forums! Sure, Sephy was in the pic, too... but what reason would she have for wearing that pic? ![]() It'd make sense for Tifa and Aerith to talk about that when Tifa learned that Aerith knew Zack in Gongaga. Come to think of it, I'm surprised that Tifa and Aerith *didn't* talk about it, although I doubt that Aerith would keep it from Cloud. I wonder what made SE cut that? Could it be because Tifa told Cloud in Gongaga that she didn't know Zack? Or was it because they knew Aerith wouldn't keep it from Cloud? ![]() EDIT: Whoa... lookit this info about the early version of Cloud's Truth! He was originally just a version of Sephiroth... I love it!
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Sure, Sephy was in the pic, too... but what reason would she have for wearing that pic? 

12:29 AM Jul 11