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I Think I Liked It Better Before ...
Topic Started: Oct 5 2008, 10:35 PM (1,924 Views)
LuvNLife
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Well, here's a video I found on youtube. As in the info box, I will paste it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOE341lN3WQ

This is the last beta disc printed before the final offical print of FF7 for japan and america, Quite possibly the only one in existance today. Below I will list all of the changes between beta 1.9 as seen in the video, And the offical games release, As well as points in the timeline where the changes are noticed.

Enjoy!


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Differences throughout the video:

00:20
There is text on the CGI intro
01:42
The Final Fantasy logo says 1996 instead of 1997
02:34
Instead of finding a poton, You find nothing on the guards and can walk through them.
02:42
The guards that ambush you are for some reason wearing black outfits instead of red.
02:50
You start out with Aeris and Barret in your party, instead of being alone.
03:49
You dont have the option to name Cloud or Anyone.
03:51
CGI`s are ALOT smoother to load on this part, Not all grainey and choppy.
04:45
You dont talk to jess or anyone to open the doors, You go straight to them.
06:40
Battles have alot tougher enemies, Im guessing to compensate since you have 3 in party.
07:37
Jess just kind of stops and doesnt continue from the base of the ladder. Remaining there.
07:56
I could not press circle on the ladder...Instead I had to run down it.
12:00
The summon intro was slightly different..And you dont get summons this early in the final. AND the boss is no longer a red scorpion.
12:55
You have 3 minutes to escape the reactor instead of the massive 12 that you normally have.
14:26
Jess is Way up there in some weird spot, instead of her normal place further down.
15:39
For some reason he managed to get over there, I guess he wanted to slide down it and fell?
17:07
As usual you only need to goto the doors, if you dont get jess and whatshisname, You cant.


Overall differences:
In the beta, You started with 3 characters, a load of materia, even a summon, The enemies are abit tougher, And when you try to leave but forget to grab one of the characters, That 3 minute timer REALLY screws you over. (and yes, the timer is invisable, they do give you popup message updates on how much time is left though) You also start out with several limit breaks instead of just one.
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This was before the official release of the game.
Isn't it odd that Aerith was in Cloud's team before he even meets her? Anyways, I am wondering what that text says in the intro.
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Hades' Daughter
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The only thing that REALLY bothers me about the FFVII compilation is that Mr. Sakaguchi wasn't a part of it. I can't even begin to imagine how differently things might have turned out had he stayed. Who knows...maybe there might not have been a Compilation. :P

I'd love to know his thoughts on it...but it's just too bad he hasn't made any actual comments. For SE, I'm really not sure if that's a good or a bad thing.
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Hadn't Sakaguchi left SE before Advent Children was finished? I'd say that kinda speaks for itself.
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Sakaguchi had nothing to do with Advent Children or any part of the compilation. He left a while ago when Square merged with Enix.
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You see the less merciless side of Reno and Rude's personalities in Gongaga and Wutai. They were always mostly comic relief - how about them discussing their love lives and whom fancies whom and then nearly getting caught? Or Rude looking at his watch in battle as if to say "Whoops, time!" and running away, or coming in behind your character in the Shinra elevator to prod you in the back and point up like haha boo! caught you?~ In Wutai they are laid back slackers that keep bumbling into you and then let you go because they are "off the job" I think it's even optional to fight them in the Midgar Raid at the end of the game because they again let you go if you don't want to fight ... Rude's attention to his sunglasses and watch in an attempt to look "cool" and Reno's laid back dishevelled, sloppy/slobby self translate perfectly to Advent Children. Rude even had a crush on Tifa in FFVII so the scene in Advent Children where Reno and Rude eye each other and are like "yeah let's give Tifa and Cloud some space" doesn't seem so far out to me. Rude's always had great respect for Tifa. Also since I saw many different facets of their personaility in FFVII them saving children didn't seem odd at all, for one thing time can change a person and for two Reno only killed when it was "part of his job" Doesn't make what he did in Sector 7 right but since he wasn't under orders in Advent Children to "let the children die" he and Rude could do what they wanted.

It's not fair to say that they are nothing but cold blooded merciless killers - remember not just Shinra but Avalanche was responsible for the death of many.

It'd also be like hating Zack or Cloud just because they worked for Shinra~

Cloud, Tifa, Barret, Zack, Biggs, Wedge, Jesse, Vincent ... all were responsible for the death of innocent civilians.

Only Aerith doesn't have blood on her hands.

As for Rufus well being nearly blasted to pieces by a giant monster might just change you too ;p It was Aerith that healed Rufus - and I don't question her judgement~

HD - I'm glad Kitase is still on the team though :huggle:
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When did Zack or Vincent ever kill innocent civilians?

I would also add that Yuffie, Red XIII, and Cid were all fairly blameless as well (none of them had any role in Shinra or Avalanche).

As for the Turks... Reno and Rude I can buy as lightening up over two years. Like you said, they actually showed their less brutal sides very well during FFVII itself. And unlike a lot of ther AC "fans" I thought the movie nailed their characters.

Rufus is a different story. He was 100% cold hearted and ruthless, and not even once during FFVII was he ever depicted otherwise. THAT is why I found his transformation so farfetched. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's very difficult to swallow by comparison, and he's so different in AC, he doesn't even seem like the same character. In fact, if Kitase and/or Nomura came out tomorrow and said it wasn't really Rufus, I'd totally buy it.

Now, with all that said, I actually do agree with a lot of what you said about Avalanche and it's members not being blameless, and in fact, I sorta wish the game and expansions had explored that a bit more. But I felt I should give credit where it's due ^_^
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I wish they never did the compliation of FFVII, it killed the game, it has made other hate characters and pairings.

I'll take one piece at a time

AC:
I see this as PURELY fanservice, nothing else, the film is entertaining but plotless, my favourite scene is when we see Aerith's face for the first time instead of her chin, I remember thinking "OMG! She's so cute!" and to me the still obvious hints of Cloud's love for her.

DoC:
Ugh... I really hate this one, not only does it kill Vincent's personality but messes with the original story, I never once in my life believed that Lucrecia loved Vincent, surely I believe that she though he looked good, but she never loved him. And having her all agnst and stuff, just really pissed me off...

We already have a lovesick fool XD and that's Cloud! :mad:

CC:
I haven't played it, but a friend of mine has and I hate it, mostly because of his ideas from it, like calling our beloved flower girl for a slut JUST because she started to flirt with Cloud 'so shortly after Zack's death' and it makes me sick! :blast:

And if the remake rumors are true or not, I don't care I WON'T play it! It won't EVER hold the charm and atmosphere that the original had, it doesn't matter graphics as long as the story delivers such as the original of FFVII did. I love it for what it is, and hate what has become of it. And I hate SquareEnix for messing with great ideas.

Sorry for my rant ^^; I just needed it of my chest

Original Final Fantasy VII and :cleris: = :fangirl: from me.

End rant
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Nov 3 2008, 09:11 PM
I wish they never did the compliation of FFVII, it killed the game, it has made other hate characters and pairings.

CC:
I haven't played it, but a friend of mine has and I hate it, mostly because of his ideas from it, like calling our beloved flower girl for a slut JUST because she started to flirt with Cloud 'so shortly after Zack's death' and it makes me sick!  :blast:


Yeah I'm over the whole compilation as well.

As for you're friend calling Aerith a slut because she flirted with Cloud 'So shortly after Zacks death'...
Who ever said flirting was a crime? besides five years is enough time to get over somebody and lets not forget Aerith had no idea that Zack had died, she thought he'd moved on with his life and found another girl. Sow hats wrong with her doing the same?


Sorry Akuma :huggle: I just get so annoyed when people call her a slut.
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Nov 4 2008, 01:46 AM
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Nov 3 2008, 09:11 PM
I wish they never did the compliation of FFVII, it killed the game, it has made other hate characters and pairings.

CC:
I haven't played it, but a friend of mine has and I hate it, mostly because of his ideas from it, like calling our beloved flower girl for a slut JUST because she started to flirt with Cloud 'so shortly after Zack's death' and it makes me sick!  :blast:


Yeah I'm over the whole compilation as well.

As for you're friend calling Aerith a slut because she flirted with Cloud 'So shortly after Zacks death'...
Who ever said flirting was a crime? besides five years is enough time to get over somebody and lets not forget Aerith had no idea that Zack had died, she thought he'd moved on with his life and found another girl. Sow hats wrong with her doing the same?


Sorry Akuma :huggle: I just get so annoyed when people call her a slut.

I know! It's not a crime, and no one can help what they feel, but one can't help what they feel right? And one is not automaticly a slut for following one's feelings!

And CC is just bull, surely Zack and Aerith dated, but they were never serious, I think they overdid their whole relationship, I can't see Zack as 'loyal' to one woman.

And to my friend, sure, he's sweet and all, but VERY narrow minded, it's sick! He adores so called 'true love' that Zack and Aerith had, it wasn't true, it was the first, difference IMO. But he have nothing to say since he didn't play the original, and he won't since of the poor graphics.

Thank you Asuka! :huggle:
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The fact that individual personalities still exist in the life stream. I always like the theory that when you died, you were absorbed into the life stream. Not this Zack, Jessie, Biggs, Wedge, ect can all still talk to Cloud and that people could reunite in the lifestream because humans weren't there permanently. I also liked that Aerith was kind of special in this sense.

(Though I always understood it as, you die, you get absorbed into the life stream, then you become some sort of other life)

I really don't like the life stream as being some sort of eternal after life. :/

I also didn't like Rufus surviving. His death seemed to be a big turning point in the game, and reviving him was just a way to please his fan boys.
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I think they overdid their whole relationship


It wasn't SE's intention. They truly said that they pictured Zack and Aerith relationship as puppy love. And the first love is an important experience ( I know that, the first time that I was in love, the guy really hurt my feelings... that's why I'm not very confident with guys now when it comes to romantic feelings... people with a good and happy first experience are more confident... and I guess that Aerith and Zack had a good time... even when he was gone, I think she cared to remember the good times and not the bad ones, that's a part of Aerith personnality after all).
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Oct 6 2008, 02:16 AM
I thought it was a little cheap that they've made it look like Cloud just copied Zack. Taking the lovely and amusing moments with Cloud and Aerith and giving them to Zack? Unforgivable!


I agree. I thought it was WAY cheap for them to do that. I mean, even going so far as to have him falling through the roof...can't they leave Cloud anything that's his own?? As far as I'm concerned, Crisis Core doesn't exist... I don't accept it as part of my personal canon, because I don't see that it has any real storytelling merit - it's clear that they were just copying the storyline from the original.

It's the same as if someone traced the Mona Lisa, colored her hair red, called her "Stacy," and claimed it as an original art piece. Even if DaVinci himself (in this case, Square) was the one doing the tracing, anyone could see that it was only a poor copy of a far superior piece, and had little to no merit of its own. Or at least, that's how I would see it. In fact, by having Zack do every little thing Cloud did, it's like they really did turn Cloud into a clone/puppet, while one of the main points of FF7 was that Cloud is an individual, not just a clone. Crisis Core defeats that whole storyline! Similarly, the Genesis/Angeal story was also a poor copy of Sephiroth's.

Also, it's almost as if Aeris herself were a puppet of Zack as well, since CC tried to make it seem like all of the quintessential things about her (selling flowers, the pink ribbon) were done at Zack's suggestion. Like they did with Cloud, it's as if they made her have nothing outside of what came from Zack.
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Oct 15 2008, 07:17 PM
I am wondering what that text says in the intro.

the intro tekst just basically sums up part of the plot of the game. is says that shinra is taking away the life energy of the planate and cloud and co are going on a mission to stop them and visit a reactor....
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Lastly, the Genesis/Angeal story was a poor copy of Sephiroth's.

I found pretty much the whole game to be a poor copy of what came before, with a few twists that weren't even as interesting as the twists we got in the first game.
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