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| naruchan | Sep 3 2008, 08:17 AM Post #16 |
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Mou daijobu, da ne?
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Actually, when Cloud delivered his finishing strike to Sephiroth from AC he glowed a golden light. Which is, of course, you may have noticed when Cloud and Sephiroth also battled in KH2(the battle where they vanished leaving Tifa behind). His inner light is a golden yellow. Omnislash ver. 5 |
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| Anastar | Sep 3 2008, 03:41 PM Post #17 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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Yeah, that's what I was saying about the colors of his limit breaks. We see a bluish-white color to some of his limit breaks, too. (See my last post) So, it's feasible that both the bluish-white and golden colors are his own. It would also be feasible to think that Cloud's rage against Sephiroth made him start to go into a limit break, which led him to his inner light.
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Interesting question. It's been too long since I played KH, so remind me - how exactly do you get "chosen" by a keyblade, again? As I remember, it has something to do with finding your inner light, doesn't it?
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| Drake Clawfang | Sep 3 2008, 03:53 PM Post #18 |
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Rydia Fanboy
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Tifa's light was the same blue-ish white as later. As for the Keyblade, I think it has to do with strength of heart, as Sora proved in the first game, reclaiming it from Riku. So maybe Cloud envies Sora's strong heart. Sorta makes sense... |
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| Anastar | Sep 4 2008, 09:42 AM Post #19 |
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To touch the light I see in your eyes...
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Tifa's light looked more filmy white to me than bluish-white. I thought the blue was just the background showing through, like you can see the colors of a background through a mist.
Look at this passage from the Ultimania Guide to Kingdom Hearts: Interviewer: About Riku being the rightful owner of the Keyblade - why is it that Sora had the Keyblade first? Nomura: That part is also a bit vague. In the Destiny Islands when Riku is swallowed by the darkness, there's a sparkle of light, and next comes the scene where Sora first gets the Keyblade, right? In my setting, the darkness wrapping itself around those two is the darkness of Riku's heart. At the moment when Sora enters that darkness, the light you can see is the light of the heart. From what Nomura says there, it sounds as if Sora's able to take the keyblade because the light of Sora's heart is able to defeat the darkness of Riku's heart. So it almost seems like a parallel to Cloud's battle with darkness/Sephiroth. In a sense, that's very similar to Sora having a strong heart, as you suggested, and I would agree that Cloud envies it. |
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| Drake Clawfang | Oct 28 2008, 02:29 AM Post #20 |
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Rydia Fanboy
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A bit of thread necromancy, just had an idea. Compare KH2 to AC. AC: Aerith tries to help Cloud overcome his guilt. Cloud returns to Edge and battles Sephiroth, and after realizing what would happen to his loved ones, Cloud fights back and defeats him. KH2: Aerith tells Cloud to go find his light. Cloud tracks down Sephiroth and fights him, and when Tifa intervenes, Cloud glows with light and stuns Sephiroth. What if the *light* Tifa is offering, isn't light in the literal sense that KH typically uses, but a metaphor? In AC, Cloud is overwhelmed by Sephiroth and is spurred into action by thoughts of his friends and family. In KH2, same deal, and Cloud glows with light when Sephiroth, perhaps moves to attack Tifa. Maybe Tifa isn't Cloud's literal light, but is, along with Aerith and some other characters maybe, his *light* in that she's his reason to fight, because he wants to protect her. The more I turn the above comparison in my mind, the more it seems to fit. |
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| aerisbolt | Oct 28 2008, 07:41 PM Post #21 |
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Beautiful Paradox
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hmm...interesting Drake, so that I understand you correctly, you are saying Tifa being attacked invokes his protective side which is obviously not exclusive to Tifa but to all and anyone he cares about, it just happens that it was Tifa who was there at the time and when Sephiroth attacks her his need to keep everyone he cares about safe takes over and thus he finds his inner light...right? In any case you bring up a great point in the fact that I do believe the creators were not only trying to keep interpretation "open" with Aerith and Tifa in regards to Cloud but that could reinvoke the fact that he states in Advent Children that there isn't anything he doesn't cherish including the rest of his friends. In the constant battle that is the LTD I do believe the rest of the people in Cloud's life don't get proper credit for their influence in his life including those who could be seen as his friends in KH. Good stuff Drake!
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| Drake Clawfang | Oct 28 2008, 08:20 PM Post #22 |
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Rydia Fanboy
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Exactly.
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| XXxxTyLeRxxXX | Jul 21 2011, 07:29 AM Post #23 |
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Newbie
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Ok. I made an account just so I could post on this topic. I am an avid follower of Cloud. And I saw those pictures from Cloud in KH. Does anyone else notice that in the original Final Fantasy VII (play station one), during Cloud's Limit Break Omnislash, a blue light appears over the sword. It is very similar to that of which Cloud is surrounded by in the KH picture. But not only that. In AC, Cloud's final move against Sephiroth (which I would also consider Omnislash), his copies? or whatever you want to call them, glow a golden color. Perhaps both colors refer only to him. I mean, there was also a blue color in his Ultimate Weapon....so what would the connection be with that??? The gold wasn't even added to Cloud until AC. Oh! And one more thing...Cloud also glows blue in AC when he is flying upwards towards Bahamut. And just something to think about that supports the blue light equaling Tifa thing...he didn't glow blue until Tifa through him upwards towards Bahamut. Hmmm...But when Aeris helped him the light was the same color as the lifestream. It's all mixed up...does anyone know what squaresoft was doing with this story??? It's the most complicated story EVER! But its amazing. Cloud and Aeris FOREVER!!!
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| Lady Lifestream | Jul 21 2011, 09:32 AM Post #24 |
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Der Ruf des Kolibris
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Uhm, in my opinion, Tifas light blinds him, then he finds his own light, and THEN starts his golden limitbreak, like in AC. I believe they just made every inner light this white-blueish to appear pure and radiant and so on. If Kairi would have shined in her inner light, I think it would have also been blueish-white. Just my two cents^^" |
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| myfinalfantasy | Aug 7 2011, 10:21 AM Post #25 |
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Je t'aime
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I agree with Drake Clawfang that Tifa is a part of Cloud's inner light and that she's one of the few reasons Cloud is going after Sephiroth. However, I think I am more convinced that Tifa's light isn't what Cloud needs and/or wants. The light that she offers him is too bright; it's something that isn't fit for Cloud. When CloTis try to say that Tifa is Cloud's light, I think that CloTis think of it like this: Tifa + Light = Automatically Cloud's light. In all of the FF7 compilations, I think SE is trying to be very careful about what the characters are doing and saying. If they wanted Tifa to be Cloud's light, how come Cloud couldn't/didn't accept it? How come they didn't give some sort of answer that would indicate that Tifa is indeed Cloud's light? In one quote, which I'm sure is somewhere in this large forum, it directly says that the bit in the ending might be the answer, meaning that if you wanted - or thought - Aerith was Cloud's light, the ending credits of KHII might be the answer. However, if you still don't think it was Aerith that was meant to be Cloud's light, what was her purpose real purpose in the game? Why did they spend extra money putting her in when they could've put in Tifa?
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| ClerithRaven | Aug 8 2011, 03:17 PM Post #26 |
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this love shall never die
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From KH1, I really believed Aerith to be who Cloud was searching for in the game, since the ending credits seemed to imply it. Then here comes KH2, with CloTi's claiming Tifa to be Cloud's light. Well, I think SE threw Tifa in the game just to revive the LTD. Seriously, if they hadn't, KH would very much lean towards Clerith, which may make them lose some fans. Just my opinion anyway. This is read a lot in the forum, but Tifa's light is not for Cloud, no matter how much she offers it. Cloud gets blinded when Tifa tries and offers her light to him and instead of taking it, he flinches and finds his inner light. Additionally, towards the ending credits, we see Aerith waiting patiently for Cloud's return. I just find it sweet that she has so much faith in him, meanwhile Tifa tries hard to catch up to him all the time and search for him. |
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| Ultimavara | Aug 17 2011, 07:34 PM Post #27 |
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Come away, oh human child, to the waters and the wild.
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This is one of the reasons that I feel Cleris is a better match than Cloti. Aeris understands that he's struggling and needs to go work his issues out, so she lets him do it without badgering or pressuring him. Tifa, on the other hand, doesn't get this about him, and so she keeps bothering him when all he wants is some alone time. By trying to chase after him, she only ends up driving him further away. She doesn't understand him the way Aerith does, and she doesn't appear to be patient enough to let Cloud be Cloud. Instead, she keeps trying to force him to be someone she wants him to be. |
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| ClerithRaven | Aug 18 2011, 02:24 PM Post #28 |
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this love shall never die
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Agreed. I think their relationships in KH2 and somehow parallel to the one portrayed in AC/ACC. Idk, it's just my opinion. I always thought Tifa was a nagger in some way. I haven't really played FFVII, wish I could. It was in AC that I discovered my love for Clerith. It was because I thought Cloud and Aerith fit better together because she was so gentle towards him. That's what Cloud needed at the time, IMO. Not someone verbally attacking him for feeling guilty over the death of someone he loves. It just seemed like she wanted Cloud to move on and do things her[i/] way. In KH2, we see Tifa forcing Cloud to do things her way yet again. Honestly, she can't leave the man alone to fight his own battles. But Aerith understands this and assures Cloud that she will be cheering for him even from afar. Just like how she watches over Cloud even after her death. |
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