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Topic Started: Jan 15 2008, 02:11 AM (2,273 Views)
Shiva
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Sounds like the article author was giving their opinion, rather than info. In the original scans I saw, there was a pic of Cloud and Aerith back-to-back with the caption in quotes (as if Cloud were speaking the words): "Meeting her again. That is my dream."

Those same scans mentioned Cloud's relationship with Tifa as well. They said that Aerith was the one in Cloud's heart and that Tifa knew this. Basically, all it said about Tifa's role was that she supported Cloud.
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Kusari Yarou
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Actually, lines like those disappeared right after Nomura mentioned in an interview that he had been told that he was contradicting too many fan interpretations.

...he just didn't want rabid Clotis to string him up, because of the pure Clerisness of those lines. ;)
Hmmm...who exactly told Nomura that he was contradicting? The SE staff?
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Shiva
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I don't think he ever said. But, I am sure it was other staff members.
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Rinoa
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AerithGainsborough
Jan 20 2008, 10:11 PM
Rinoa
Jan 15 2008, 02:11 AM
I was looking at some of the original lines in Advent Children and they seem very Clerisy to me~http://www.final-fantasy.it/venice_report.html

"You think you' ll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???"

"Meeting here again. That is my dream."

Why were these lines not put into the movie? I'm just curious. :unsure:

Uhhh where did you get this from

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"You think you' ll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???"


because that is so sweet!!!!!
i must know where it is.

please help me out

:cleris:

I got them off of this site~ http://www.final-fantasy.it/venice_report.html

The way it reads, this guy went to the film festivals before AC was released.
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Daga15
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Yes, i remember the trailer which showed Cloud riding on his motorbike, crossing the Sleeping forest, and we could heard the voice of Tifa saying: ( in spanish they translated like")

" to dye is not bad at all, it is that what you are thinking"

The should have put them in the movie!
so, they replaced the lines, with the actual " a memory or us", that means that Tifa was refering to Aeris, to the memory of Aeris!!

:D
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Kaleta
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Was tifa referring to Cloud's guilt over aerith? or something else, because when i watched it the first time and she said it, i thought she was making Cloud choose over her or aerith o.o
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I think Tifa was refering that Cloud had to choose Aeris ( a memory) or them ( his family WHO IS ALIVE)

That is why she adds : i finally said it, because it was somthing she had benn thinking but never had the strong to say it to Cloud.
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Rinoa
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^Many people say 'Memory' as like the past. I've always thought this, but most people assume when Tifa says, "Which is it? A memory or us?" that she is referring to Aeris and herself and making him choose, which I think that's kind of mean of Tifa, if she really did mean that. :ermm:
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Kuraudo
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01:36 PM
^Many people say 'Memory' as like the past. I've always thought this, but most people assume when Tifa says, "Which is it? A memory or us?" that she is referring to Aeris and herself and making him choose, which I think that's kind of mean of Tifa, if she really did mean that. :ermm:

Eh, I don't think Tifa would ever be so cold as to refer to Aerith as just a "memory," or ask Cloud to chose between herself and Aerith. Tifa knew how important Aerith was to Cloud, and that he was in great pain over her death.

I actually thought that Tifa was referring to Cloud's guilt over Aerith's death as the "memory" when she said that. Cloud's guilt over letting Aerith die was so strong, it caused him to isolate himself from his friends, and made him feel that he wasn't fit to help anyone. After the children were kidnapped, Tifa wondered if that guilt from the past was strong enough to keep Cloud from helping those that needed him now, in the present (i.e. the children).

I thought she was basically asking him if he was going to continue to wallow in mistakes of the past, rather than live in, and focus on, the present.
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Kaleta
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Kuraudo
Jan 21 2008, 10:58 PM
Rinoa,Jan 21 2008
01:36 PM
I thought she was basically asking him if he was going to continue to wallow in mistakes of the past, rather than live in, and focus on, the present. BUT W/E I'M NOT MAKING SENSE, IGNORE ME PLZ.

Ah, thats what i thought too, but i wasn't sure exactly what Tifa meant and wanted to know what you guys thought <3
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Jan 16 2008, 02:46 AM
Rinoa
 
I really thought they took them out because of Tetsuya Nomura saying it would ruin the LTD, but a CloTi told me different at school today at break.
Actually, lines like those disappeared right after Nomura mentioned in an interview that he had been told that he was contradicting too many fan interpretations.

*grumbles*

Putting that line back in would've settled several debates. Not only that, but it ties in beautifully with the end of FFVII. (If they decide to remake FFVII, they better not change the lines because it "contradicts fan interpretations" -- a lot of lines in the original could be taken to be very Clerithy.) Honestly, we should make a whole list of questions to barrage Nomura or Nojima with. Not that they'll give any straightforward answers, but nevertheless...
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I believe the, The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think? quote is found in this trailer.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=55JM_LiXUEI

They translated the line as, "It's okay to die--" Do you believe that?

If memory serves me right, I do have a pretty clear recollection of that line appearing quite often in translations of the old trailers or bits of the movie/scrip that were leaked out. It caused quite the uproar in the LTD and I recall the quotes suddenly vanishing from sight. The statement by Nomura claiming that too many fan interpretations were being contradicted is familiar as well.

There was a snippet in an article that stated something along the lines of, "...Aerith is the one in Cloud's heart and Tifa seems to understand this. It appears to be that kind of a relationship."
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When Tifa said, "Which is it? A memory or us?" I thought she was talking about SEPHIROTH?!?! O_o Because, in the Japanese version she says:

私たち 思い‎出に負けたの?
Watashi tachi omoide ni maketa no?
Did we lose to a memory?

Am I crazy? I don't think Tifa's so mean as to try and make Cloud choose... or so mean as to refer to Aeris as just a "memory." >.>;; And in the end Cloud does tell him to stay in his memories, and Sephiroth's like "I'll never be just a memory" or whatever.

... *confused*

I'm not that great at inferring stuff, but I really don't think Tifa was talking about Aeris...? Maybe it's not Sephiroth (?) but I definitely don't think it was Aeris...

But, if she was just talking about Sephiroth or whatever/whoever, I don't get why it was translated to "Which is it, a memory or us?" because there's no context clues to let you know exactly what she means...

zzz.

Ahh... someone help me?

*goes to sleep*

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Oh, I wanted to say... also... that:

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"You think you' ll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???"

"Meeting here again. That is my dream."

I love that!! That would have been too awesome if it was in the movie.
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Right after Tifa said, "Which is it, a memory, or us?" Cloud automatically thinks of Aerith ("But, I let you die"). So, it cannot be about Sephiroth. And, it isn't specifically Aerith the person. Rather, it is the memory of failing to protect Aerith that haunts Cloud. The "memory" Tifa is referring to, IMO, is Cloud's memory of his failing to protect someone precious to him. And that memory causes him to fear that he will not be able to protect anyone ever again. Basically, Tifa is asking him to stop feeling regret over his failure ("a memory") and help those who need him now (the children- "us"). That's what I think anyways. :P
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kuri-chan
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Yeah, I thought about that too like... why would he just think about Aeris after she said it, if it was about anyone/anything else?

But actually what you said does make sense, I suppose! Like, is he going to let his guilt from the past beat him down and prevent him from helping those there still is time left to help?

I didn't think of it that way, that sounds much better~

(Told you I'm bad at inferring!!)

It's still confusing but... that's okay.
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